1989Fan Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 Atlanta Falcons: Cornerback, pass rusher, offensive line Projected cap space: $4.3 million. The Falcons are a prime candidate to become the latest quick turnaround story in an NFL world full of them. Underachievers for a few seasons now, talent is still in abundance (at least on paper) for Atlanta. The most glaring weakness seems to be on the defensive side of the ball. Desmond Trufant was effective at cornerback (earning Pro Football Focus' 30th-best defensive grade at his position), but the Falcons need more at the position than just Trufant to get the defense to contender status once more. In terms of the pass rush, the Falcons decided to move on from Vic Beasley, a former first-round pick who underachieved the past three seasons, and must weigh whether to bring back Adrian Clayborn, who managed 4.0 sacks and two forced fumbles last season in his second stint with the team. Atlanta hasn't had a player hit double-digits in sacks since they went to the Super Bowl in the 2016 season, and that was Beasley (15.5). While Atlanta attempted to address its offensive line issues last offseason, the problems persisted, as evidenced by 50 sacks allowed. Free-agent signee James Carpenter struggled at guard before he hit injured reserve, while the debut seasons of first-round draft picks Chris Lindstrom and Kaleb McGary were marked by injury and sub-par play, respectively. discuss... link for anyone who wants to see all teams... http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001105185/article/2020-nfl-free-agency-three-biggest-needs-for-each-nfc-team Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiwifalcon Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 I’m not taking any of these media outlets seriously if they don’t include coaching on there list of needs for the Falcons to improve on. BUBBASBEANS, Pacific_Falcon, vel and 13 others 16 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1989Fan Posted March 4, 2020 Author Share Posted March 4, 2020 They didn’t dig too deep on McGary obviously. Stat driven assessment. Cheap Talk, papachaz, Drew4719 and 10 others 13 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1989Fan Posted March 4, 2020 Author Share Posted March 4, 2020 8 minutes ago, kiwifalcon said: I’m not taking any of these media outlets seriously if they don’t include coaching on there list of needs for the Falcons to improve on. Well, it was free agency needs...I should have been more specific they also have QB as DAL top need despite having 73million in cap space and the ability to tag Dak...yet they don’t have QB in the top 3 for WAS despite Haskins proving to being completely inept at the position. Pacific_Falcon, kiwifalcon, DriveHomeSafelyAtlantaWins and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold4425 Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 I hope we don't get over confident again. We have a lot of needs and a lack of cap space TD and DQ are going to have to knock this draft out the park. Some players have to over achieve and we have to dodge the injury bug. Foo Falcons, Ergo Proxy, 1989Fan and 5 others 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiwifalcon Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 7 minutes ago, Gold4425 said: I hope we don't get over confident again. We have a lot of needs and a lack of cap space TD and DQ are going to have to knock this draft out the park. Some players have to over achieve and we have to dodge the injury bug. Why if DQ and co do a similar job like they did first half of last year how’s hitting a HR in the draft and FA going to help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirtybird3 Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 But how do we get the players we need with the cap we have, serious question. Who legitimately can get cut that saves with minimal dead money? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATLSlobberKnockers Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 I dont see CB as a top 3 need. Wouldnt be opposed to draftimg a nickle in mid rounds so that Sheff could move to the boundary if needed. Rb is much more of .a need than cb. There are only 2 positions om defense that couldnt be upgraded though Francis York Morgan, GATXBOI, Cheap Talk and 5 others 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiwifalcon Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 43 minutes ago, Dirtybird3 said: But how do we get the players we need with the cap we have, serious question. Who legitimately can get cut that saves with minimal dead money? You don’t need cap to fix our issues you need players that are in years 2,3 & 4 in there development cycle to make the step foward. We saw this happen with NO influx of talent on the defense last year.I personally think everyone’s looking at this wrong.The fix for this team is in house not the other way round. Falcons Fan MVP 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foo Falcons Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 23 minutes ago, ATLSlobberKnockers said: I dont see CB as a top 3 need. Wouldnt be opposed to draftimg a nickle in mid rounds so that Sheff could move to the boundary if needed. Rb is much more of .a need than cb. There are only 2 positions om defense that couldnt be upgraded though No doubt, CB falls after a number of positions. DE, DT, LB, TE, OG, HB. Of course FA will play a big part but we'll see. Lord knows last year we thought OL was set, albeit with a couple question marks, but we proved to try and trick the rest of the league.. Look for the Falcons to sign a DE or DT just to draft one 1st Rd. Maybe same said for CB. We shouldnt draft an HB Rd1 but you neva know. Maybe we hold Swift very high and thats why we haven't interviewed him yet. Plenty of time left Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAD597 Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 DT, DT,DT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATLSlobberKnockers Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 30 minutes ago, FalconsAllDayUrDay said: No doubt, CB falls after a number of positions. DE, DT, LB, TE, OG, HB. Of course FA will play a big part but we'll see. Lord knows last year we thought OL was set, albeit with a couple question marks, but we proved to try and trick the rest of the league.. Look for the Falcons to sign a DE or DT just to draft one 1st Rd. Maybe same said for CB. We shouldnt draft an HB Rd1 but you neva know. Maybe we hold Swift very high and thats why we haven't interviewed him yet. Plenty of time left Haven't met with Swift yet bc we help run UGAs proday. Guess that's when we meet up with him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
etherdome Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 2 hours ago, kiwifalcon said: I’m not taking any of these media outlets seriously if they don’t include coaching on there list of needs for the Falcons to improve on. Thank you kiwifalcon 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconsIn2012 Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 2 hours ago, 1989Fan said: They didn’t dig too deep on McGary obviously. Stat driven assessment. McGary led the league in sacks allowed and we gave up a 3rd to get that production. He had some solid days and crapped the bed just as often. Their analysis is fair until proven otherwise On a year where we allowed a terrible number of sacks, KG was responsible for 30% of them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1989Fan Posted March 5, 2020 Author Share Posted March 5, 2020 11 minutes ago, FalconsIn2012 said: McGary led the league in sacks allowed and we gave up a 3rd to get that production. He had some solid days and crapped the bed just as often. Their analysis is fair until proven otherwise We’ve had this discussion before I feel like, so likely will have to agree to disagree. It all needs to be looked at in perspective. For a rookie RT, who missed most preseason activities, had the starting RG out all year (with Carp and Brown sucking in relief), playing in a scheme where the routes take forever to develop, oh and no help ever...I feel he did okay. He wasn’t elite, but wasn’t sub par either. If he was THAT bad, Gono or Sambrailo would have gotten reps and he would have sat. Once Lindstrom got back he looked much better. Like I said they didn’t dig too deep on the assessment. He has shown enough flashes that I am confident he won’t bust. It’s not like he was just ok Here and there then mainly crappy other times...he was very good at times, and poor at other times. It was a consistency issues not ability issue and **** Kutter did him no favors at all. I am expecting him to play well in 2020, assuming he’s healthy. to my previous comment in the thread...it was a lazy assessment by their writers. ATL need OL because KM sucked but WAS doesn’t need a QB after what Haskins showed? KM was MUCH better as a rookie that that bum. Ergo Proxy, Francis York Morgan, Artys Arryn and 4 others 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconsIn2012 Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 3 minutes ago, 1989Fan said: We’ve had this discussion before I feel like. It all needs to be looked at in perspective. For a rookie RT, who missed most preseason activities, had the starting RG out all year (with Carp and Brown sucking in relief), playing in a scheme where the routes take forever to develop, oh and no help ever...I feel he did okay. He wasn’t elite, but wasn’t sub par either. If he was THAT bad, Gono or Sambrailo would have gotten reps and he would have sat. Once Lindstrom got back he looked much better. Like I said they didn’t dig too deep on the assessment. He has shown enough flashes that I am confident he won’t bust. It’s not like he was just ok Here and there then mainly crappy other times...he was very good at times, and poor at other times. It was a consistency issues not ability issue and **** Kutter did him no favors at all. I am expecting him to play well in 2020, assuming he’s healthy. to my previous comment in the thread...it was a lazy assessment by their writers. ATL need OL because KM sucked but WAS doesn’t need a QB after what Haskins showed? KM was MUCH better as a rookie that that bum. He gave up more sacks in the second half of the season than he did in the first half. If y’all want to be blind McGary loyalists don’t be it. But he wasn’t good last year. Certainly not worth our 3rd round pick. He will be better next year, but last year was not good enough Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RYNE Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 2 hours ago, kiwifalcon said: I’m not taking any of these media outlets seriously if they don’t include coaching on there list of needs for the Falcons to improve on. Hahaha so true mtldirtybird and kiwifalcon 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirtybirds233 Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 They're about right on. I would add RB in there given Ito's concussion history and Freeman/s play/likelihood he gets cut. I would also add LB, and I think it's a bigger need than CB. Campbell was a great run defender, but an absolute liability in coverage. I think Oluokun can hold his own, but i'm not sure if he's much better than Campbell. I'm also leaving TE off because I firmly believe this system allows for plug an play with that position. If I had to put it in order, I'd say: 1. DE 2. G 3. LB 4. RB 5. CB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiwifalcon Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 Or these media muppets who don’t mention players internally taking the next steps.Thats where improvements are generally made which is tied into the draft development track. Lazy journalism. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheap Talk Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 4 hours ago, Gold4425 said: I hope we don't get over confident again. We have a lot of needs and a lack of cap space TD and DQ are going to have to knock this draft out the park. Some players have to over achieve and we have to dodge the injury bug. I figure the Falcons will have $25M in Cap space, when all is said and done. So if they do not go after a Fowler that eats up the lion's share of that, they should be able to fill their roster out with quality players. Players like Means, Davison, Wilson, and Wilcox still have some tread left, and those are only the players within arm's reach. We already have Gono, Gage, Oliver, Sheffield, Oluokun, and Cominsky with nothing but upside. Many championship teams have come from very similar situations, so at least NFL.com got the part right about a possible quick turnaround story. Would not call them 'underachievers' any more though, think that next season they are going to have to do some 'overachieving'. As far as coaching is concerned, I do believe in this coaching staff outside of Dan Quinn. Can he just hold up a Denny's menu next season, and make it look like he's picking out plays? Ergo Proxy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheap Talk Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 4 hours ago, ATLSlobberKnockers said: I dont see CB as a top 3 need. Wouldnt be opposed to draftimg a nickle in mid rounds so that Sheff could move to the boundary if needed. Rb is much more of .a need than cb. There are only 2 positions om defense that couldnt be upgraded though Agree with you about CB. Besides, hate to see any draft collateral used-up there until we see what Miller is all about. He has better combined height, length, and vertical than any other CB on the roster. Definitely feel RB should at least be taken with one of the first four picks, at the least. Getting the running game going again, is not an option it is a necessity. ATLSlobberKnockers and Boise Falcon Fan 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rings Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 4 hours ago, ATLSlobberKnockers said: I dont see CB as a top 3 need. Wouldnt be opposed to draftimg a nickle in mid rounds so that Sheff could move to the boundary if needed. Rb is much more of .a need than cb. There are only 2 positions om defense that couldnt be upgraded though Link is for free agent needs. I sure hope we don’t address RB through FA. Ergo Proxy, ATLSlobberKnockers and Boise Falcon Fan 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirCzah Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 The XFL doesn't have a team in Atlanta, right? Can we just cut our losses and give this franchise a fresh start over there? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boise Falcon Fan Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 13 hours ago, FalconsIn2012 said: He gave up more sacks in the second half of the season than he did in the first half. If y’all want to be blind McGary loyalists don’t be it. But he wasn’t good last year. Certainly not worth our 3rd round pick. He will be better next year, but last year was not good enough He was a rookie. I'm not worried yet, and that doesn't make me "blind", because I don't share your same opinion. If he doesn't make considerable improvement this year, than I will be concerned, but I like to give guys a chance before I move on. SirCzah 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falconsd56 Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 16 hours ago, 1989Fan said: They didn’t dig too deep on McGary obviously. Stat driven assessment. Which is annoying... but understandable. I do not expect the mainstream sports media to do deep dive into tape and actually understand a teams situation on a deeper level. The line was not as bad as the 50 sacks would indicate. The sack to pass percentage is in line with the rest of the nfl. It was a combination of things that lead to that high sack number ( sheer number of attempts due to situational football ( being down 3 scores at half time). a different system than what has been ran in the past, and quit frankly some of it was on the qb.Ryan took 8-10 sacks over the course of the year that he did not have to take. I think year 2 will yield better results both on the ground and in protection. SirCzah 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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