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1 hour ago, FalconFanSince1970 said:

There are a lot of young teams that had injuries but played way better defense than us. DAL, IND, CHA, CHI, MIA, SAC, DET, etc.

Not even close to the comparison with us.

Collins out 25 games.  Played 1208 minutes.

Huerter missed 11 games.  Played 1610 minutes.

Trae 6 games.  Played 2010 minutes.

Hunter 4 games.  Played 1879 minutes.

Reddish 9 games.  Played 1435 minutes.

Jones 9 games.  Played 883 minutes.

Carter 7 games.  Played 812 minutes.

Fernando 11 games.  Played 671 minutes.

Bembry 20 games.  Played 915 minutes.

Parker only played in 32 of 52.  Played 837 minutes.

Crabbe only played in 28 of 52.  Played 522 minutes.

Turner only played in 19 of 42.  Played 251 minutes.

Parsons only played in 5 of 52.  Played 54 minutes.

Len only missed 2 of 52 games.  Played 745 minutes.

 

As you can see, not even counting the fact Teague and Dedmon came over late, between the guys who were/are our core players, or were supposed to be part of meaningful minutes, missed 218 games.  And virtually all due to injury.

And, of our top 5 players in minutes, 2 are rookies, and 2 are second year players, and the last is a 3rd year player who was suspended 25 games.

But this is on CLP??

 

Nah.

 

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We have one of the best young 4s in the league!!!  

Player Development. Guys aren't going to grow if you pigeon hole them based on what they can do now.  Collins isn'the elite offensive big man he is today because we decided his game could never grow. 

I tried to tell folks about losing and its effect on our young core. I said it wasn't worth the small percentage increase in lottery odds. We should embrace the player development, but never let them

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Seeing Zion play makes me angry. Let's say our number 8 pick became number 1... we could have had:

PG: Trae 
SG: Cam
SF: Zion
PF: Collins
C: Capela

This assumes we still take Cam at 10 and still make the Capella trade, but both are reasonable. I like Hunter, but Zion is going to be a future superstar in the league. 

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2 hours ago, FalconFanSince1970 said:

There are a lot of young teams that had injuries but played way better defense than us. DAL, IND, CHA, CHI, MIA, SAC, DET, etc.

Most nights Hawks are trotting out a 22 and under starting lineup, 2 of which are rookies. The 1st part of a season, too many guys missed too many minutes. When you have Jabari Parker filling in for Collins as a starter - yes the defense will suck.

First Half: 9-32

Second Half: 10-11 (4-3 post ASB)

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7 hours ago, jayu70 said:

Most nights Hawks are trotting out a 22 and under starting lineup, 2 of which are rookies. The 1st part of a season, too many guys missed too many minutes. When you have Jabari Parker filling in for Collins as a starter - yes the defense will suck.

First Half: 9-32

Second Half: 10-11 (4-3 post ASB)

The two rooks are probably two of, if not the best defenders on the team

First Half - 117.0 ppg allowed

Second Half - 123.8 ppg allowed (dead last)

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On 3/3/2020 at 10:23 PM, blkbigdog35 said:

That was a terrible second half of basketball.  Not sure why this young team lacks energy sometimes?  CLP was just speechless!! 

 

Seeing that clip again, seeing CLP's expression looking like his eyes were about to tear up made my heart sink a little.

Dude is coaching his tail off. "You can't teach effort." 

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9 hours ago, Beef said:

Not even close to the comparison with us.

Collins out 25 games.  Played 1208 minutes.

Huerter missed 11 games.  Played 1610 minutes.

Trae 6 games.  Played 2010 minutes.

Hunter 4 games.  Played 1879 minutes.

Reddish 9 games.  Played 1435 minutes.

Jones 9 games.  Played 883 minutes.

Carter 7 games.  Played 812 minutes.

Fernando 11 games.  Played 671 minutes.

Bembry 20 games.  Played 915 minutes.

Parker only played in 32 of 52.  Played 837 minutes.

Crabbe only played in 28 of 52.  Played 522 minutes.

Turner only played in 19 of 42.  Played 251 minutes.

Parsons only played in 5 of 52.  Played 54 minutes.

Len only missed 2 of 52 games.  Played 745 minutes.

 

As you can see, not even counting the fact Teague and Dedmon came over late, between the guys who were/are our core players, or were supposed to be part of meaningful minutes, missed 218 games.  And virtually all due to injury.

And, of our top 5 players in minutes, 2 are rookies, and 2 are second year players, and the last is a 3rd year player who was suspended 25 games.

But this is on CLP??

 

Nah.

 

They are just a bad team. Enough with the excuses...

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10 hours ago, FalconFanSince1970 said:

The two rooks are probably two of, if not the best defenders on the team

First Half - 117.0 ppg allowed

Second Half - 123.8 ppg allowed (dead last)

Hunter has a DWS of 0.5, which is the same as Trae.

ETA:  Correction.... just looked again and Trae is a 0.6 DWS.

Cam is only a 0.7.

Huerter is a 0.6.

Fernando a 0.4.

Jones a 0.6.

Bembry a 0.8.

Teague a 0.2.

Carter a 0.4.

Goodwin a 0.2.

Dedmon a 0.3.

Len was a 0.6.

Crabbe was 0.1.

Collins is the best defender on the team with a 1.0 DWS.

 

Just to put this in perspective, our top 9 minutes played guys have an average DWS of 0.6.  And that’s a bit skewed because Collins missed 25 games.

And if we go look at the Bucks top 9 minutes guys, they have an average DWS of around 2.8.

Most good defensive teams are around 2.0.  They have a few in the 0.x range, but more in the 2.0-4.0 range.

 

We don’t have a player above 1.0.

 

Most rookies and young players come into the league under 1.0, and slowly improve.

Zion is only a 0.4 DWS.

Steph Curry came in a 1.6, regressed to a 0.4, and then by year 6 was up around 2.9.

 

We just have a ton of youth that hasn’t had time to build up that learned-intuition and muscle-memory.

On the defensive end of the floor, they are consistently out of position, making late and improper switches, second guessing, wondering who’s job it is to do what, wild or lazy with their hands, crossing their feet, jumping late, getting beat for position in the box, staring at shots, watching and thinking rather than knowing/reacting unconsciously.....

All things young inexperienced players do.  And because EVERYONE is in this same experience boat, it just compounds the problem.

But they will improve. They will gel.  They will learn and build that intuition. They will eventually know who’s job is what and react correctly without having to think about it.  But right now, they don’t have it.

And all CLP can do is give them minutes and trial by fire learning to try and build that muscle-memory.

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2 hours ago, Spts1 said:

They are just a bad team. Enough with the excuses...

This is so vapid and parochial.

If a national championship 7A high school football team was suddenly thrust into the NFL, and got smoked by everyone, I guess you'd be like, "They are just a bad team.  Enough with the excuses...".

Because, ya know, reality of situations doesn't matter.  Those darn "excuses" are so meaningless.

I'm sure anyone could run in the Olympics with a broken leg or dominate in MMA with an arm tied behind their backs, too.

Circumstances... PFFT!  Screw em!

SMH

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2 hours ago, Beef said:

This is so vapid and parochial.

If a national championship 7A high school football team was suddenly thrust into the NFL, and got smoked by everyone, I guess you'd be like, "They are just a bad team.  Enough with the excuses...".

Because, ya know, reality of situations doesn't matter.  Those darn "excuses" are so meaningless.

I'm sure anyone could run in the Olympics with a broken leg or dominate in MMA with an arm tied behind their backs, too.

Circumstances... PFFT!  Screw em!

SMH

Consider the source.. 

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1 hour ago, blkbigdog35 said:

Indeed he is!!! 

"They were everyone's sleeper pick to make the playoffs this year."

And they very likely would have if not for Collins suspension.

Combine that with Reddish and Hunter not being able to hit the broad side of a barn for their first 45 games, too, and there are clearly tangible/recognizable, and most of all correctable, reasons why they didn't take a next step.

The prediction and expectation was 30 wins.  But again, that didn't account for Collins missing 25 games.

If they somehow go 11-8 the rest of the season, they hit it.  And if that happens it'll be a huge sign.  We have a good shot.  The schedule is favorable.

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21 minutes ago, Beef said:

"They were everyone's sleeper pick to make the playoffs this year."

And they very likely would have if not for Collins suspension.

Combine that with Reddish and Hunter not being able to hit the broad side of a barn for their first 45 games, too, and there are clearly tangible/recognizable, and most of all correctable, reasons why they didn't take a next step.

The prediction and expectation was 30 wins.  But again, that didn't account for Collins missing 25 games.

If they somehow go 11-8 the rest of the season, they hit it.  And if that happens it'll be a huge sign.  We have a good shot.  The schedule is favorable.

Collins suspension was a huge blow.  We also went an extremely long time without a backup pg.  Its been a trying season but these guys have grown and I truly believe this team will be relevant next season!

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20 hours ago, tl;dr said:

Seeing Zion play makes me angry. Let's say our number 8 pick became number 1... we could have had:

PG: Trae 
SG: Cam
SF: Zion
PF: Collins
C: Capela

This assumes we still take Cam at 10 and still make the Capella trade, but both are reasonable. I like Hunter, but Zion is going to be a future superstar in the league. 

And a likely top 2 pick in this draft 

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