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Official HAWKS March Game Thread

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35 minutes ago, FalconsIn2012 said:

It’s not him that said these things.  It’s a former Hawks player.  Call Len a troll if anything.

Dude.. you’ve seen him purposely take everything so out of context, yet you still pop up to defend his posting repeatedly.. 

think about it

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2 hours ago, TheTrue7 said:

Types with a wooden spoon.. constantly trying to stir things up

Pretty much, I usually don’t respond to his crap!  If you are going to be critical at least do it with good reasoning.  

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1 hour ago, FalconsIn2012 said:

It’s not him that said these things.  It’s a former Hawks player.  Call Len a troll if anything.

Exactly... The part thats not liked is he told the truth.  If Mike Bibby can get called out for not playing defense for the Hawks, Trae Young can too.  If Dominique Wilkins can get called out for being a ball hog, then Trae Young can too. 

The NBA cares about scoring ONLY now, thus players can now take these 3 pointers and dominate the ball to the detriment of building a TEAM...

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1 hour ago, TheTrue7 said:

Dude.. you’ve seen him purposely take everything so out of context, yet you still pop up to defend his posting repeatedly.. 

think about it

And YOU pop up EVERYTIME i post something...:lol:

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1 minute ago, Spts1 said:

Exactly... The part thats not liked is he told the truth.  If Mike Bibby can get called out for not playing defense for the Hawks, Trae Young can too.  If Dominique Wilkins can get called out for being a ball hog, then Trae Young can too. 

The NBA cares about scoring ONLY now, thus players can now take these 3 pointers and dominate the ball to the detriment of building a TEAM...

Trae is an efficient scorer, though.  He isn’t Iverson who scored simply by volume shooting.  Trae takes 20 shots and scores 30 ppg.  That’s great efficiency

I think next year he turns into the version of himself we see the rest of his career: 26 ppg, 12 assts pg 

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2 hours ago, FalconsIn2012 said:

Trae is an efficient scorer, though.  He isn’t Iverson who scored simply by volume shooting.  Trae takes 20 shots and scores 30 ppg.  That’s great efficiency

I think next year he turns into the version of himself we see the rest of his career: 26 ppg, 12 assts pg 

Trae is shooting 36 percent.  That means he is taking volume shots AND taking them from waaaay out there.  Mike D' Antoni has tried this and has YET to win a championship. His Phoenix and Houston teams were LOADED with offensive talent but he couldn't and ISN'T gonna win a championship.  James Harden is better than Young with a better supporting cast and aint, isnt and not gonna win a championship.  The ugly part of it he (D' Antoni ) is responsible for the NBA going to this style of game:  Running up and down the court to take FAST shots, fast 3 pointers, emphasis on the wings and ZERO defense.

The Hawks drafted a player that fits THAT mold but doesn't fit the fundamental type of players that they surrounded him with.  DeAndre Hunter and Cam Reddish came from fundamental TEAM oriented programs.  You don't put them in a situation where the team is built around the type of game the Hawks are trying to play with Young. They would fit better with Boston, Oklahoma, etc. where there are coaches and styles of play that fit what they did in college ( both head coaches came from the college ranks).  Its no coincidence that Al Horford had his best years in Boston ( he came from a fundamental program at Florida).

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/28822418/the-problems-trae-young-signature-plays

But while those deep-space triples may be his signature play, it's unclear if they are actually helping the Hawks win games. Here's where it gets interesting: When Young misses a 3-point shot, opponents should start licking their chops. Other teams turn Young's missed 3s into points at freakishly high rates.

Young misses 64% of his 3s, and opponents grab defensive boards on about 75% of those misses. On the ensuing possessions, as those defenses turn into offenses, they rack up a wild 127 points per 100 possessions, according to Second Spectrum tracking data. Folks, the league average offensive efficiency following a missed 3 is 112.

In other words, the Hawks play historically bad defense after their best player misses his signature shot.

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2 hours ago, Spts1 said:

And YOU pop up EVERYTIME i post something...:lol:

Yea.. I’m the only one calling you out on this bs in every forum.. keep telling yourself that guy

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38 minutes ago, Spts1 said:

Trae is shooting 36 percent.  That means he is taking volume shots AND taking them from waaaay out there.  Mike D' Antoni has tried this and has YET to win a championship. His Phoenix and Houston teams were LOADED with offensive talent but he couldn't and ISN'T gonna win a championship.  James Harden is better than Young with a better supporting cast and aint, isnt and not gonna win a championship.  The ugly part of it he (D' Antoni ) is responsible for the NBA going to this style of game:  Running up and down the court to take FAST shots, fast 3 pointers, emphasis on the wings and ZERO defense.

The Hawks drafted a player that fits THAT mold but doesn't fit the fundamental type of players that they surrounded him with.  DeAndre Hunter and Cam Reddish came from fundamental TEAM oriented programs.  You don't put them in a situation where the team is built around the type of game the Hawks are trying to play with Young. They would fit better with Boston, Oklahoma, etc. where there are coaches and styles of play that fit what they did in college ( both head coaches came from the college ranks).  Its no coincidence that Al Horford had his best years in Boston ( he came from a fundamental program at Florida).

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/28822418/the-problems-trae-young-signature-plays

But while those deep-space triples may be his signature play, it's unclear if they are actually helping the Hawks win games. Here's where it gets interesting: When Young misses a 3-point shot, opponents should start licking their chops. Other teams turn Young's missed 3s into points at freakishly high rates.

Young misses 64% of his 3s, and opponents grab defensive boards on about 75% of those misses. On the ensuing possessions, as those defenses turn into offenses, they rack up a wild 127 points per 100 possessions, according to Second Spectrum tracking data. Folks, the league average offensive efficiency following a missed 3 is 112.

In other words, the Hawks play historically bad defense after their best player misses his signature shot.

For most of the year, Trae was 45% fg’s and 38% on three’s.  For comparison, Luka on the year was 46% fg’s and 31% on three’s.

trae: 9.2 makes on 20.8 shots/ 3.4 makes on 9.5 three’s

luka: 9.5 makes on 20.6 shots/ 2.9 makes on 9.1 three’s

I understand the argument that he controls the ball too much.  Very often it’s true.  But he was efficient and will become more playmaker than pure scorer moving forward

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6 hours ago, FalconsIn2012 said:

For most of the year, Trae was 45% fg’s and 38% on three’s.  For comparison, Luka on the year was 46% fg’s and 31% on three’s.

I understand the argument that he controls the ball too much.  Very often it’s true.  But he was efficient and will become more playmaker than pure scorer moving forward

Considering the volume and difficulty of Trae's  3 point attempts, his average is impressive,  I agree there. Luka doesn't take those deep attempts like Trae.  We are also in agreement that he has to be more of a playmaker going forward, which he CAN do.  Trae has the best handles I've seen SINCE Iverson, so its not me hating on dude. Trae should limit those deep threes to certain spots in the game where he can break a team.  Larry Bird for instance was very selective in when he would take 3 point shots.  He took them at points in a game to stop a team's rally or just break them down and they give up. 

Trae should come up the court with PLAYMAKING first as the goal.  Make teams start respecting his passing ability FIRST.  That will open him up for uncontested deep shots AND stop them from double teaming him late in games.   If Pierce and Hawks management can change their way of looking at this and talk to Trae about going in this direction, it would work.  Right now he is being encouraged to be a scorer first.  He HAS the talent around him to pull back on that and let Reddish, Hunter, Huerter, etc. start flourishing on offense...

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Trae is a second year player playing on a young rebuilding team that hasn’t learned to win or find their identity.  You have to have patience which some fans don’t but the future is bright and these guys do want to win.

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2 hours ago, blkbigdog35 said:

Trae is a second year player playing on a young rebuilding team that hasn’t learned to win or find their identity.  You have to have patience which some fans don’t but the future is bright and these guys do want to win.

Experience has zero to do with style of play...

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2 hours ago, blkbigdog35 said:

Trae is a second year player playing on a young rebuilding team that hasn’t learned to win or find their identity.  You have to have patience which some fans don’t but the future is bright and these guys do want to win.

The kid is top 5 in ppg and top 2 in assists.. but just can’t seem to shake this dude

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1 hour ago, Spts1 said:

Experience has zero to do with style of play...

You have young players trying to learn to play together.  As they gain experience then they can adapt to any style of play.  We have guys who are better offensively and some defensively.  However these are guys ranging from 1 to 3 years in the NBA.  Did you expect that they would just come in and have it all figured out??? 

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Len was so bad to start the season he got replaced by DAMIAN JONES......Eeeeeech.  

If he had played to his expected potential we wouldn't need to trade for Dedmon.

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I watched the Hawks vs Hornets NBA 2k telecast on Fox Sports South..  The game played out just like how Hawks games have.  Hawks built 17 point lead first half. Lead by 10 late in fourth quarter. Somehow, Pierce got stuck with Young on the bench late in the 4th quarter.  He was running with Teague in the backcourt and it was effective.  The Hornets came back and won in overtime...:(

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