ATL58 Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 2 hours ago, Unknøwn said: Love Bobby and I wish him nothing but the best of health. But it’s probably better for the team that he’s not there. And I wish Snit would not be there either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATL58 Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 46 minutes ago, brdu4 said: I can see the 3 batter minimum getting abused. Left handed relief specialist comes in and pitches to a left handed hitter. Then they get a fathom injury, cramps or muscle tightness. So MLB should look into implementing some kind of player safety safety net. Maybe if they leave because of injury they can’t pitch the next day. Don’t really like the Two-way player rule. It basically allows about 10-15% of teams to have a 15th pitcher that the others can’t. Maybe have some limitations like innings pitched or at bats that if the player reaches they lose that designation. I feel that MLB teams should be able to crate their roster without limitations. No, you make them pitch through it. And if they are really injured and can’t throw, they simply have to intentionally walk batters to get to three batters Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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AUTiger7222 Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 On 2/12/2020 at 8:49 AM, Unknøwn said: Cole Hamels irritated his shoulder doing drills over the offseason. He will be on light duty the first 3 weeks. It's not viewed as anything serious. Josh Tomlin signed a minor league deal with an invite today. I'm not worried about it. If it were a young pitcher I would be more concerned but a veteran pitcher knows how to take care of his body. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jidady Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 The Braves are saying late-April, which means that he'll receive 1/6th of his salary for doing nothing. That's $3 million. We shouldn't undersell this as anything other than terrible news. ATL58 and Malachore 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malachore Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 9 minutes ago, jidady said: The Braves are saying late-April, which means that he'll receive 1/6th of his salary for doing nothing. That's $3 million. We shouldn't undersell this as anything other than terrible news. ikr? 1st we hear discomfort and not serious and now the guy probably won't be back till May at best. We've all seen this with veterans, bet the guy doesn't pitch 50 innings for us this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tl;dr Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 I’m not in panic mode over Hamels, but it’s not good news by any means. It’s pretty bad news if we are being real. I trust Soroka and Fried. We need Folty to be 2018/2nd half of 2019 Folty and I think we can make it by. But having King Felix as possibly the 4th starter for a month doesn’t really make me all that giddy inside. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATL58 Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 35 minutes ago, Malachore said: ikr? 1st we hear discomfort and not serious and now the guy probably won't be back till May at best. We've all seen this with veterans, bet the guy doesn't pitch 50 innings for us this year. And the word is he knew about it before he signed. Hamels killed us as a Phillie and now he’s killing us as a Brave. Heck, he’s not even really a Brave yet. He’s not even as much a Brave as Nick Esasky was. Screw him Malachore 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATL58 Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 17 minutes ago, tl;dr said: I’m not in panic mode over Hamels, but it’s not good news by any means. It’s pretty bad news if we are being real. I trust Soroka and Fried. We need Folty to be 2018/2nd half of 2019 Folty and I think we can make it by. But having King Felix as possibly the 4th starter for a month doesn’t really make me all that giddy inside. All.those.precious.prospects...... and we only have two worth a crap. Folty sucks. He’s never gonna be more than what we’ve seen of him. Short Flashes of excellence but mostly disappointing and a mental case. Newcomb to me looks like he’d rather be ANYWHERE but on a pitcher’s mound with the ball. Not a gamer at all. And to be honest, have we seen enough of Fried and Soroka to be confident that they will repeat or better what they did last year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Francis Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 2 hours ago, jidady said: The Braves are saying late-April, which means that he'll receive 1/6th of his salary for doing nothing. That's $3 million. We shouldn't undersell this as anything other than terrible news. Agreed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Francis Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 2 hours ago, Skott Lee said: And the word is he knew about it before he signed. Hamels killed us as a Phillie and now he’s killing us as a Brave. Heck, he’s not even really a Brave yet. He’s not even as much a Brave as Nick Esasky was. Screw him Of course he knew. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
For the A Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 I trust AA with Hamels signing and giving him time to heal. Let’s not forget we took a gamble on Keuchel last year and he didn’t pitch the 1st half of the year and it worked out good for the Braves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malachore Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 Drew Waters put on some big boy weight over the Winter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATL58 Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 7 minutes ago, brdu4 said: I trust AA with Hamels signing and giving him time to heal. Let’s not forget we took a gamble on Keuchel last year and he didn’t pitch the 1st half of the year and it worked out good for the Braves. But we paid for a whole year with Hamels. If he can at least be a big time mentor to Fried and Fried puts up Cy Young numbers then that’s a salvageable contribution Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUTiger7222 Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 7 hours ago, jidady said: The Braves are saying late-April, which means that he'll receive 1/6th of his salary for doing nothing. That's $3 million. We shouldn't undersell this as anything other than terrible news. Well if he's gonna be limited for 3 weeks then late April makes sense. Pitchers get 5 or 6 starts during spring training to get stretched out and build up to 100-110 pitches. So if he doesn't start throwing until March, that makes sense. Not gonna panic about this. Panic at this stage is silly. TheTrue7 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUTiger7222 Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 6 hours ago, tl;dr said: I’m not in panic mode over Hamels, but it’s not good news by any means. It’s pretty bad news if we are being real. I trust Soroka and Fried. We need Folty to be 2018/2nd half of 2019 Folty and I think we can make it by. But having King Felix as possibly the 4th starter for a month doesn’t really make me all that giddy inside. King Felix is on a minor league dealing meaning that if he doesn't have a good spring he doesn't even make the team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATL58 Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 1 hour ago, AUTiger7222 said: Well if he's gonna be limited for 3 weeks then late April makes sense. Pitchers get 5 or 6 starts during spring training to get stretched out and build up to 100-110 pitches. So if he doesn't start throwing until March, that makes sense. Not gonna panic about this. Panic at this stage is silly. Panic maybe not but concerned, you better be. Our top two starters are two guys that have one good year under their belts. Not exactly established starters. They could both continue and build on last year but they could both regress as well. Not exactly what you want at the top of the rotation. After that, what do you have? Nothing based on past history. Folty is what we have seen forever. Can’t be trusted. And we really don’t have a 4 or 5. No one has taken the bull by the horns and said “gimme the dam ball” as of yet. I sure hope some of the youngsters can come in and be dependable pitchers, but as far as having anyone that you have faith in to give quality starts every fifth game, we just don’t. I guess I trust Soroka more than Fried, but you never know with the second year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATL58 Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 (edited) I just know that Fried needs to change his uniform number. First of all, 54 is a big fat guy number and he’s skinny as a rail. Second of all, that The Great Leo’s number and should be retired. I suggest #32 and he’ll look like Koufax throwing. Right now with 54 he looks sickly thin. Edited February 14, 2020 by Skott Lee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUTiger7222 Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 1 minute ago, Skott Lee said: Panic maybe not but concerned, you better be. Our top two starters are two guys that have one good year under their belts. Not exactly established starters. They could both continue and build on last year but they could both regress as well. Not exactly what you want at the top of the rotation. After that, what do you have? Nothing based on past history. Folty is what we have seen forever. Can’t be trusted. And we really don’t have a 4 or 5. No one has taken the bull by the horns and said “gimme the dam ball” as of yet. I sure hope some of the youngsters can come in and be dependable pitchers, but as far as having anyone that you have faith in to give quality starts every fifth game, we just don’t. I guess I trust Soroka more than Fried, but you never know with the second year. Again, I'm not concerned about Hamels. Nor am I worried or concerned about Soroka or Fried. My concern was always spots 4 and 5 of the rotation and still are at this point which is why I haven't been banging the drum for Arenado or Bryant. I've been sitting over here going "we're the starting pitching gonna come from?" That is where all my concern has been all winter and why I haven't figured out why our moves have been to take chances on guys like King Felix and hope a couple of the kids of the Wright, Wilson, Touki bunch decide they want to take control of one of the jobs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUTiger7222 Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 Just now, Skott Lee said: I just know that Fried needs to change his uniform number. First of all, 54 is a big fat guy number and he’s skinny as a rail. Second of all, that The Great Leo’s number and should be retired. You absolutely rail on Bobby Cox for being terrible and riding "great players coattails" and turn right around and talk about how "great" Leo was? That's such a hilariously bad take!! Maybe you should see what Leo did when he was pitching coach with the O's. They were absolutely horrendous and it's widely known that Leo was terrible with young pitchers. Meanwhile Bobby in 1985 led the Blue Jays to their first ever division title in their history and had a winning record with them before coming back to manage the Braves. You're just so backwards on where you stand with Bobby and Leo and it's hilariously bad. Passprotection 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATL58 Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 2 minutes ago, AUTiger7222 said: Again, I'm not concerned about Hamels. Nor am I worried or concerned about Soroka or Fried. My concern was always spots 4 and 5 of the rotation and still are at this point which is why I haven't been banging the drum for Arenado or Bryant. I've been sitting over here going "we're the starting pitching gonna come from?" That is where all my concern has been all winter and why I haven't figured out why our moves have been to take chances on guys like King Felix and hope a couple of the kids of the Wright, Wilson, Touki bunch decide they want to take control of one of the jobs. So have you, like me, pretty much given up on Newcomb or do you think he just needs the right instructor that can get inside his head? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUTiger7222 Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 (edited) 1 minute ago, Skott Lee said: So have you, like me, pretty much given up on Newcomb or do you think he just needs the right instructor that can get inside his head? Newcomb proved last year that his future success is in a Josh Hader/Andrew Miller bullpen role. Edited February 14, 2020 by AUTiger7222 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATL58 Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 2 minutes ago, AUTiger7222 said: You absolutely rail on Bobby Cox for being terrible and riding "great players coattails" and turn right around and talk about how "great" Leo was? That's such a hilariously bad take!! Maybe you should see what Leo did when he was pitching coach with the O's. They were absolutely horrendous and it's widely known that Leo was terrible with young pitchers. Meanwhile Bobby in 1985 led the Blue Jays to their first ever division title in their history and had a winning record with them before coming back to manage the Braves. You're just so backwards on where you stand with Bobby and Leo and it's hilariously bad. We’ll have to agree to disagree. You won’t change my mind. But I’m ok with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUTiger7222 Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 1 minute ago, Skott Lee said: We’ll have to agree to disagree. You won’t change my mind. But I’m ok with it. I'm not gonna waste my time trying to change your mind. I said my peace about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATL58 Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 1 minute ago, AUTiger7222 said: Newcomb proved last year that his future success is in a Josh Hader/Andrew Miller bullpen role. As long as he embraces the role. And can throw strikes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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