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Beef

Way Too Early Dawg Depth Chart 2020

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I'm including composite star rankings too just for kicks. But this is just a guess on our depth chart, so please don't get bent. Let me know if I missed anything anywhere or made a really poor projection someplace. I'm also including Jones and VanPran as if we closed them. And yes, there are some non-scholarship PWO's listed, just for additional depth perspective in a few spots.

OFFENSE:

QB: Newman(3*GT) | Beck(4*) | Mathis(4*) | Bennett(3*) | Priestley(2*) | Kirksey(3*)

RBS: White(5*) | ?? (could be Evans or Edwards?)

RBF: McIntosh(4*) | Milton(4*)

RBC: Cook(4*)

WRX: Pickins(5*) | Bush(4*) | Robinson(4*) | Landers(3*)

WRY/S: Robertson(5*) | Burton(4*) | A. Smith(4*) | (maybe McConkey?)

TE/HB: McKitty(3*GT) | Goede(4*)

RT: Salyer(5*) | McClendon(4*) | Ratledge(4*)

RG: Cleveland(4*) | Ericson(4*) | Lindberg(4*) | Blaske(3*)

C: Webb(5*) | Van Pran(4*) | Ericson(4*)

LG: Hill(4*) | Shaffer(3*) | Ratledge(4*) | Willock(3*)

LT: Truss(4*) | Jones(5*) | Condon(3*)

TE/Y: Washington(5*) | Fitzpatrick(4*) | Seither(3*)

WRZ: Blaylock(4*) | Rosemy(4*) | Jackson(4*) | Tongue(4*) | Blount(4*) - if Blaylock is back to 100%

 

DEFENSE:

RCB: Campbell(5*) | Daniel(4*) | Ringo(5*)

S: Cine(4*) | Speed(3*) | Burns(4*)

JACK: N. Smith(5*) | Ojulari(4*) | Beal(4*) | Sherman(5*)

WILL: Rice(4*) | Tindall(4*) | Marshall(4*)

DE/DT: Wyatt(4*) | T. Walker(5*) | Logue(4*) | Norton(4*)

NT: J. Davis(3*) | N. Johnson(4*) | Mitchell(3*) | Stackhouse(4*)

DE/DT: Herring(4*) | Rochester(4*) | J. Carter(5*) | Walthour(3*) | Brinson(4*)

MIKE: Dean(5*) | Q. Walker(4*) | R. Davis(4*) | McBride(4*)

SAM: Grant(4*) | Anderson(5*) | J. Johnson(4*)

STAR: Webb(4*) | Wilson(4*) | Poole(4*)

S: LeCounte(5*) | C. Smith(4*) | Brini(3*)

LCB: Stokes(3*) | Stevenson(4*) | Kimber(4*)

 

SPECIAL TEAMS:

P: Camarda(3*) | Rubright | Chumley

K: Zirkel(3*) | Buce | Podlesny

LS: P. Walker | Mote

H: Camarda(3*) | Bennett(3*)

PR: K. Jackson(4*) | A. Smith (4*) | Ringo(5*)

KR: Cook(4*) | A. Smith(4*) | Burton(4*)

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Think I will have to wait for G Day to really make a good guess at the 2 deep on offense. Luke values mobility more than Pittman did and I'm just not sure right now how all the pieces project for Monken's offense.

But of course I realize this is a way too early thing just for the discussion and fun of it, so I'll give it a swing... not doing the deeper dive like you did here @Beef but I'll shoot for a 2 deep of a starting 11 against Virginia. Probably will be wrong in a lot of spots by the time we get there lol

OFFENSE
QB: Jamie Newman / Dwan Mathis
RB: Zamir White / James Cook
WR: George Pickens / Matt Landers
WR: Demetrius Robertson / Justin Robinson
WR: Kearis Jackson / Jermaine Burton
^---- (I would slot Blaylock as starter here but we probably ease him back in)
TE: Tre McKitty / John Fitzpatrick
LT: Xavier Truss / Broderick Jones
LG: Jamaree Salyer / Justin Shaffer
C: Warren Ericson / Clay Webb
RG: Trey Hill / Ben Cleveland
RT: Owen Condon / Warren McClendon

DEFENSE
DT: Devonte Wyatt / Travon Walker
NT: Jordan Davis / Netori Johnson
DE: Malik Herring / Julian Rochester
SAM: Jermaine Johnson / Adam Anderson
MIKE: Monty Rice / Nakobe Dean
WILL: Walter Grant / Quay Walker
JACK: Azeez Ojulari / Nolan Smith
SS: Lewis Cine / Chris Smith
FS: Richard LeCounte / ???
CB: Tyson Campbell / DJ Daniel
CB: Eric Stokes / Tyrique Stevenson
(Nickel corner: Mark Webb / Divaad Wilson)

SPECIAL TEAMS
P: Jake Camarda
K: Jared Zirkel
LS: Payne Walker
PR: Kearis Jackson / Kelee Ringo maybe
KR: James Cook / Trey Blount (no idea on 2nd here lol)

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Going through this reminded me of when we were talking about safety depth a year ago, when I really badly wanted us to take Nick Cross. Our safety depth is not good unless we shuffle a guy or two over from corner, like Stevenson maybe. Aside from LeCounte, Cine and Chris Smith I'm not even sure what we really have at safety.

Bugs me that we took Seither instead of either Cross or Elam... although I think Elam really just chose Florida because of his family. Thankfully we will more than likely sign the #1 safety in 2021, James Williams out of Fort Lauderdale.

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8 minutes ago, Carter said:

Going through this reminded me of when we were talking about safety depth a year ago, when I really badly wanted us to take Nick Cross. Our safety depth is not good unless we shuffle a guy or two over from corner, like Stevenson maybe. Aside from LeCounte, Cine and Chris Smith I'm not even sure what we really have at safety.

Bugs me that we took Seither instead of either Cross or Elam... although I think Elam really just chose Florida because of his family. Thankfully we will more than likely sign the #1 safety in 2021, James Williams out of Fort Lauderdale.

Just got Major Burns, plus Williams next year.  And surely have more big targets than that.

Reese leaving was dumb of him. He would have been a starter next year.

And really any one of our Nickel/Star CB’s could play safety if needed.  Especially if Ringo picks things up quickly because he could jump right into that Star spot.

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1 hour ago, Beef said:

Just got Major Burns, plus Williams next year.  And surely have more big targets than that.

Reese leaving was dumb of him. He would have been a starter next year.

And really any one of our Nickel/Star CB’s could play safety if needed.  Especially if Ringo picks things up quickly because he could jump right into that Star spot.

I forgot about Burns. No idea how soon he will be ready to play at a high level for us.

I may be getting the terminology mixed up, but I thought Star is more of a unique safety/linebacker hybrid role rather than corner. Been under the impression Star and nickel are two different positions. Like I thought Reese would slide into that role as he was really a tweener, too big for an every down safety but too light and unable to put on the weight for linebacker like Ogletree did. I'm not 100% on that terminology though.

I was disappointed to see him leave, really thought he would be a big time contributor when we signed him.

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7 minutes ago, Carter said:

I forgot about Burns. No idea how soon he will be ready to play at a high level for us.

I may be getting the terminology mixed up, but I thought Star is more of a unique safety/linebacker hybrid role rather than corner. Been under the impression Star and nickel are two different positions. Like I thought Reese would slide into that role as he was really a tweener, too big for an every down safety but too light and unable to put on the weight for linebacker like Ogletree did. I'm not 100% on that terminology though.

I was disappointed to see him leave, really thought he would be a big time contributor when we signed him.

The Star needs to cover like a CB and tackle like a LB.  Like a nickel CB and box safety wrapped in one.

Nickel is typically a passing down extra coverage guy.  Box safety is typically a rushing down extra run defender.

In a 3-3-5, like we like to run a lot, our one guy that plays that role is called the Star.

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4 hours ago, Beef said:

The Star needs to cover like a CB and tackle like a LB.  Like a nickel CB and box safety wrapped in one.

Nickel is typically a passing down extra coverage guy.  Box safety is typically a rushing down extra run defender.

In a 3-3-5, like we like to run a lot, our one guy that plays that role is called the Star.

This. Essentially, now that many teams are having to run "nickel" a good majority of the time, you need a nickel who can function both ways - jack of all trades type. Super hybrid responsibilities, and consequently, pretty important to get that right from a personnel standpoint. If you know it's a passing down, the star might get subbed out for a true nickel *corner*, or alternatively, if you are suspecting run, but it's still a multi-WR set that demands more coverage, you might sub in someone there who has more box safety/linebacker strengths. Then sometimes, it just gets pulled altogether for an extra LB or an extra DL... it's probably the one single "spot" that sees the most rotation through the game if I had to guess.

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6 minutes ago, lju713 said:

Been hearing rumors that Campbell may move to FS. I always thought he would be a all pro S, but a very good CB.

I thought so too but I just don’t know how you move that dude away from corner now. He was lights out last year and consistent. We have a lot of guys at corner though. Need to find a way to have Stevenson on the field more often than not imo. And I think Ringo is going to be playing a lot before the season is over. 

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People are making this more complicated than it is. The Star position is just UGA's name for a nickel back. Yes, Kirby likes to have a guy there that has a little size and run stopping ability, but it's still  just a nickel back. And coverage ability is still the primary ability. It's why Webb isn't an entrenched starter there; he's great vs the run with his size, but his coverage ability is lacking. I think we'll see Stevenson taking on a much larger role and a lot of the snaps at Star this season. Will still be some Wilson in the mix, and probably Webb too. And then Stevenson will probably take over for LeCounte at one of the safety spots after next year. 

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36 minutes ago, Carter said:

I thought so too but I just don’t know how you move that dude away from corner now. He was lights out last year and consistent. We have a lot of guys at corner though. Need to find a way to have Stevenson on the field more often than not imo. And I think Ringo is going to be playing a lot before the season is over.

We will be the new DBU in the next oncoming drafts.

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53 minutes ago, RandomFan said:

People are making this more complicated than it is. The Star position is just UGA's name for a nickel back. Yes, Kirby likes to have a guy there that has a little size and run stopping ability, but it's still  just a nickel back. And coverage ability is still the primary ability. It's why Webb isn't an entrenched starter there; he's great vs the run with his size, but his coverage ability is lacking. I think we'll see Stevenson taking on a much larger role and a lot of the snaps at Star this season. Will still be some Wilson in the mix, and probably Webb too. And then Stevenson will probably take over for LeCounte at one of the safety spots after next year. 

I agree, but he asked for the technicality so I gave it to him.

There is a bit of nuanced difference even if it’s only a bit.

A 4-2-5 tends to call it a true nickel-CB, while a 3-3-5 tends to call it the Star.

Ringo is built for this position with his size, speed, and coverage ability.  He’ll of course eventually be a staple on the outside covering #1’s, but we could see him starting at that Star position sooner than later and shutting down everyone he covers while also doing tremendous damage in run support.  At legit 4.3 speed he can close distances insanely fast and cut runs in half.

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1 minute ago, RandomFan said:

We play more 4-2-5 than 3-3-5. 

Which is why it never made sense for Myles Murphy to claim he didn't more strongly consider UGA because he wanted to be a DE in a 4 man instead of a 3 man front. We play far more 4 man front than 3 man. 

Again, nuanced because our JACK or SAM simply creep up to the line and we’re suddenly a 4 man front.

On paper, though, they’re going to call our Nickel the Star whether there’s 3 or 4 on the line.

Not that big a deal. They’re just trying to keep jargon consistent so they don’t screw up kid’s heads.

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Appreciate the discussion guys, good to clarify things I'm not 100% on. I really love Kirby's approach to defense though because it's anything but straightforward traditional defense. We rotate a lot of guys and have a few hybrid roles that require well rounded complete players. The word he used was being "multiple" and I am over the moon with seeing it executed so well.

We've seen those kinds of roles increase a lot in the NFL as well, which I think is because the NFL has began trending after college ball where the inverse used to be true.

Would love to see more thoughts and discussion on the original topic, trying to project 2020 depth. Kinda got me thinking about areas we will need to nail down some early contributors for in the 2021 class.

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The offense has so many moving parts with roster and coaching turnover that I'll just wait until the Spring game. Guys like Pickens and Blaylock are locked in pending health.

With defense, the front 7 basically are set. The starters there play a good two thirds of the snaps while back ups get the rest.

Secondary is where the starters get nearly all the snaps but I think there could be some shake ups. 

LC - Stokes. Will be one of the better corners looking to make his name known nationally. 

RC - Ringo. Ran a 10.58m just like Ruggs did in hs. Ruggs ran a 4.25 in his pro day. Very fast guys, difference is Kelee did this at 6-2 205. You almost have to start him, these creatures don't grow trees.

Star - Stevenson. No shade to Webb but Tyrique is significantly better than him. He also was getting most of the snaps in the final games of the year. 

LS - Lecounte

RS - Cine

Campbell basically splits time with Ringo and gets cross trained behind Lecounte. Daniel is a super sub and plays in obvious passing downs. 

 

 

 

 

 

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