Francis York Morgan Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 4 minutes ago, vel said: Are we? Clayborn most likely is back. Vic can kick rocks in Antarctica. Like you said, you can bring in Irvin and fully address replacing Vic. From there, you've got virtually the same DL to build upon. I think Davison is back as well. I think they still go DL in the first two rounds, but it doesn't have to be a lock at #16 if it's not the value. I agree about value, but yes - this is how we look on DL next year, after losing Reed, Irvin, and Shelby the year before. DE: Takk Mckinley, Allen Bailey, John Cominsky, Austin Larkin DT: Grady Jarrett, Deadrin Senat, Jacob Tuoti-Mariner I don't want Vic back, but he has led our team in sacks typically. Bailey is a cut candidate. Clay should be back, but he isn't yet. All in all, our depth is atrocious next year. Even at CB/S, I think we're average at best, but our DL is a bottom 5 unit in the NFL as things stand right now. I still want the team to go BPA (to an extent), I'm just saying that our DL is a big problem right now. I hope we bring some guys back too, but just last year it was a foregone conclusion we'd bring Irvin back. Didn't pan out that way... FalconsIn2012 and Vandy 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Osiruz Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 16 hours ago, Rings said: One thing Gregg Williams said on why they drafted Danzel Ward over Bradley Chubb always stuck with me. Said Myles Garrett was a half step away from a sack 10+ times the previous season, adding Chubb doesn’t get him home, adding a #1 corner that makes the QB go to his next read does. Takk was one of the best in the league at beating his blocker last year, adding another DE does not get him home, adding a true #1 corner does. Not saying he will suddenly become Myles Garrett, but you get the point. Adding a number #1 corner also makes everyone of your other corners better based off of their assignments. This is why I think coverage is more important than pass rush, they both matter a ton, but I think great coverage can allow a mediocre pass rush to get home, it doesn’t work the other way around. If you have a strong pass rush and one corner doesn’t do their job, there is a completed pass. If you have strong coverage and one pass rusher doesn’t do their job, there is still a chance someone else will get home because of the time the coverage had given them. I absolutely agree with this. I would be OK with drafting a corner early provided that he could be a lock down CB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vel Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 3 minutes ago, Francis York Morgan said: I agree about value, but yes - this is how we look on DL next year, after losing Reed, Irvin, and Shelby the year before. DE: Takk Mckinley, Allen Bailey, John Cominsky, Austin Larkin DT: Grady Jarrett, Deadrin Senat, Jacob Tuoti-Mariner I don't want Vic back, but he has led our team in sacks typically. Bailey is a cut candidate. Clay should be back, but he isn't yet. All in all, our depth is atrocious next year. Even at CB/S, I think we're average at best, but our DL is a bottom 5 unit in the NFL as things stand right now. I still want the team to go BPA (to an extent), I'm just saying that our DL is a big problem right now. I hope we bring some guys back too, but just last year it was a foregone conclusion we'd bring Irvin back. Didn't pan out that way... Shelby rarely played and was replaced by Bailey. Reed was not effective in Arizona. Irvin was a loss straight up. I agree its not pretty, but I'm assuming they put money there in FA. Now if they don't, then I'm on board. Francis York Morgan 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Red Stallions Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 What if this talk of going with CB means we are moving on from Trufant for cap reasons? If that happens does CB become a bigger need? I dont think our secondary will do too well with KS and Oliver.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NWFALCON Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 I missed this thread. I made a thread in draft/FA with some practice footage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Don™ Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 17 minutes ago, Francis York Morgan said: I agree about value, but yes - this is how we look on DL next year, after losing Reed, Irvin, and Shelby the year before. DE: Takk Mckinley, Allen Bailey, John Cominsky, Austin Larkin DT: Grady Jarrett, Deadrin Senat, Jacob Tuoti-Mariner I don't want Vic back, but he has led our team in sacks typically. Bailey is a cut candidate. Clay should be back, but he isn't yet. All in all, our depth is atrocious next year. Even at CB/S, I think we're average at best, but our DL is a bottom 5 unit in the NFL as things stand right now. I still want the team to go BPA (to an extent), I'm just saying that our DL is a big problem right now. I hope we bring some guys back too, but just last year it was a foregone conclusion we'd bring Irvin back. Didn't pan out that way... Like you said, Bailey is a cut candidate and probably gone. Takk has some injury concerns. Senat is a mystery. Cominsky is a relative unknown. Crawford probably won't be resigned. Clayborn and Davison will be relatively cheap to resign. I could see another vet pass rusher added in FA. And then drafting one or two early in the draft. It's definitely a concern in my mind too. Vandy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiwifalcon Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 1 hour ago, vel said: This. People hate to hear it because you're taught to build the trenches, but it won't matter if the coverage is trash. QBs that can get the ball out negate any pass rush. I never got that mentality either. I mean it’s important but if that’s your mentality for winning one track thinking in my eyes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red falcon Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 57 minutes ago, DirtyBird2 said: What if this talk of going with CB means we are moving on from Trufant for cap reasons? If that happens does CB become a bigger need? I dont think our secondary will do too well with KS and Oliver.... They played well enough this season when changes were made. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boise Falcon Fan Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 21 hours ago, GeorgiaBoyz said: Would not be upset with Kinlaw at 16 . Sounds like he won't be there at 16. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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kiwifalcon Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 6 hours ago, Osiruz said: I absolutely agree with this. I would be OK with drafting a corner early provided that he could be a lock down CB. You mean like Tru was when he was a rookie.Lockdown corner and rookie tough ask. Just want to see some consistency across the board is my wish. Talent don’t mean jack if it’s not used and directed correctly. The Daywalker 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Red Stallions Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 5 hours ago, red falcon said: They played well enough this season when changes were made. Sorry, meant to say just those two. This is a league where you need 3 good-great corners to cover, plus I think Sheff is more suited for nickel with his speed red falcon and Pacific_Falcon 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pacific_Falcon Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 17 minutes ago, DirtyBird2 said: Sorry, meant to say just those two. This is a league where you need 3 good-great corners to cover, plus I think Sheff is more suited for nickel with his speed Exactly. Plus, of the plan is to cut tru, a year of experience when his replacement steps in would be pretty valuable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cole World Posted January 23, 2020 Author Share Posted January 23, 2020 I don’t know what we will do in the first round but I want this kid on day 2 or 3 @Smiler11 @Francis York Morgan @vel Smiler11, red falcon, Vandy and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis York Morgan Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 Just now, Cole World said: I don’t know what we will do in the first round but I want this kid on day 2 or 3 @Smiler11 @Francis York Morgan @vel Worried he's going to work up into the 2nd round. Been my favorite center prospect all this time and he's just looking better and better. Perfect guy to learn under Mack. Cole World and Vandy 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconsIn2012 Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 2 hours ago, Cole World said: I love me some Dugg’s. I’d take him in the 2nd Cole World 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rings Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 8 hours ago, vel said: This. People hate to hear it because you're taught to build the trenches, but it won't matter if the coverage is trash. QBs that can get the ball out negate any pass rush. Exactly. When did Pittsburgh figure out a pass rush? Watt and Dupree didn't do much the first few weeks of the season. They trade for Minkah and all of the sudden their pass rush dominated the rest of the year. Seattle had a top 10 pass rush from 13-17...Sherman leaves and they fall to bottom of the barrel the last two years even with adding talent like Clowney to the line. Secondary can make or a break your pass rush. Cole World and red falcon 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis York Morgan Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 Strowbridge and Davidson are really interesting Day 2 guys. Cole World 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rings Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 9 hours ago, Osiruz said: I absolutely agree with this. I would be OK with drafting a corner early provided that he could be a lock down CB. And in our scheme where the corners don't travel with the #1 WR typically, people think you can avoid that CB, but in reality you can cheat the LB and safeties over because they lock down the one side, especially against a #2 or #3. It's the Revis vs Sherman debate. Either way, it makes everyone better. Cole World 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Francis York Morgan Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 9 minutes ago, Cole World said: If you listen close, you can hear my dreams of getting him as a Day 3 pick screaming as they vanish into the ether... Rings and Cole World 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*TMo* Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 On 1/21/2020 at 7:56 PM, GeorgiaBoyz said: Would not be upset with Kinlaw at 16 . I'm thinking he just won't be there at 16. Francis York Morgan 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vel Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 16 hours ago, Cole World said: I don’t know what we will do in the first round but I want this kid on day 2 or 3 @Smiler11 @Francis York Morgan @vel I've been banging the table for Hennessy for a couple weeks now. I'm a big fan. He's got the size and athleticism to be really good in the league. Cole World, Vandy and Francis York Morgan 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cole World Posted January 23, 2020 Author Share Posted January 23, 2020 16 hours ago, Francis York Morgan said: Strowbridge and Davidson are really interesting Day 2 guys. Strowbridge stock is rising this week. Vandy and Francis York Morgan 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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