Senior Bowl Day 1

[blkbigdog35]

18 minutes ago, 1989Fan said:

Once again DLed sounds like he is talking w marbles in his mouth..love how TD is like “so...are you asking about vic or...”

Still can’t figure out how in the He11 Dled has this position 

[Francis York Morgan]

2 hours ago, Sun Tzu 7 said:

That sounds about right.  They lose 4-5 guys on the dline and pass rush is still an issue.

The Falcons response?  Draft a corner or safety...

They've hid their true intentions every draft. They might as well have said they drafting front 7.

[Francis York Morgan]

1 hour ago, blkbigdog35 said:

Just say He11 no TD!!

Sounds to me like they're moving on but want to bring some people back. Namely, I can see Clayborne being a Falcon next year.

[The Don™]

The Lindstrom and McGary move was a surprise if I remember correctly. Calvin Ridley was a surprise too I thought.

You just never know with our Falcons. I'm about 90% sure we'll be going defense though with the first pick...

[Rings]

One thing Gregg Williams said on why they drafted Danzel Ward over Bradley Chubb always stuck with me.  Said Myles Garrett was a half step away from a sack 10+ times the previous season, adding Chubb doesn’t get him home, adding a #1 corner that makes the QB go to his next read does.  

Takk was one of the best in the league at beating his blocker last year, adding another DE does not get him home, adding a true #1 corner does.  Not saying he will suddenly become Myles Garrett, but you get the point.  Adding a number #1 corner also makes everyone of your other corners better based off of their assignments.  

This is why I think coverage is more important than pass rush, they both matter a ton, but I think great coverage can allow a mediocre pass rush to get home, it doesn’t work the other way around.  If you have a strong pass rush and one corner doesn’t do their job, there is a completed pass.  If you have strong coverage and one pass rusher doesn’t do their job, there is still a chance someone else will get home because of the time the coverage had given them.

[Rings]

23 minutes ago, The Don™ said:

The Lindstrom and McGary move was a surprise if I remember correctly. Calvin Ridley was a surprise too I thought.

You just never know with our Falcons. I'm about 90% sure we'll be going defense though with the first pick...

Matthews and Vic were the last two that weren’t.  Neal was a suprise, trading up for Takk, Ridley, Lindstrom after signing two guys in FA and then trading up for McGary.

[VTCrunkler]

8 minutes ago, Rings said:

One thing Gregg Williams said on why they drafted Danzel Ward over Bradley Chubb always stuck with me.  Said Myles Garrett was a half step away from a sack 10+ times the previous season, adding Chubb doesn’t get him home, adding a #1 corner that makes the QB go to his next read does.  

Takk was one of the best in the league at beating his blocker last year, adding another DE does not get him home, adding a true #1 corner does.  Not saying he will suddenly become Myles Garrett, but you get the point.  Adding a number #1 corner also makes everyone of your other corners better based off of their assignments.  

This is why I think coverage is more important than pass rush, they both matter a ton, but I think great coverage can allow a mediocre pass rush to get home, it doesn’t work the other way around.  If you have a strong pass rush and one corner doesn’t do their job, there is a completed pass.  If you have strong coverage and one pass rusher doesn’t do their job, there is still a chance someone else will get home because of the time the coverage had given them.

This. It’s not easy to get to the QB when he’s got the ball out in under 3 second. 

[CTann]

19 minutes ago, Rings said:

One thing Gregg Williams said on why they drafted Danzel Ward over Bradley Chubb always stuck with me.  Said Myles Garrett was a half step away from a sack 10+ times the previous season, adding Chubb doesn’t get him home, adding a #1 corner that makes the QB go to his next read does.  

Takk was one of the best in the league at beating his blocker last year, adding another DE does not get him home, adding a true #1 corner does.  Not saying he will suddenly become Myles Garrett, but you get the point.  Adding a number #1 corner also makes everyone of your other corners better based off of their assignments.  

This is why I think coverage is more important than pass rush, they both matter a ton, but I think great coverage can allow a mediocre pass rush to get home, it doesn’t work the other way around.  If you have a strong pass rush and one corner doesn’t do their job, there is a completed pass.  If you have strong coverage and one pass rusher doesn’t do their job, there is still a chance someone else will get home because of the time the coverage had given them.

Part of my reason why Jeff Okudah became my #1 Falcons target after Chase Young several months ago. I think having a true #1 edge rusher and a true #1 CB is where a championship-level defense starts. Not, ‘do you build from the inside out or the outside in?’ Instead, do you have a true top edge rusher? Good, now get a true top CB. Do you have a true top CB? Good, now get a true top edge rusher. These are the two most important positions on any defense IMO. Of course certain schemes are going to then call for having a rangy safety, a two-way defending DT, instinctive MLB, etc etc etc. But regardless of scheme, the core foundation for any scheme is having a top edge rusher and a top CB. I’m speaking in general terms regardless of whether that CB is more man or zone, if the edge guy is 3-4 or 4-3 or weakside or base etc. 

[Rings]

22 minutes ago, CTann said:

Part of my reason why Jeff Okudah became my #1 Falcons target after Chase Young several months ago. I think having a true #1 edge rusher and a true #1 CB is where a championship-level defense starts. Not, ‘do you build from the inside out or the outside in?’ Instead, do you have a true top edge rusher? Good, now get a true top CB. Do you have a true top CB? Good, now get a true top edge rusher. These are the two most important positions on any defense IMO. Of course certain schemes are going to then call for having a rangy safety, a two-way defending DT, instinctive MLB, etc etc etc. But regardless of scheme, the core foundation for any scheme is having a top edge rusher and a top CB. I’m speaking in general terms regardless of whether that CB is more man or zone, if the edge guy is 3-4 or 4-3 or weakside or base etc. 

I think it’s important they are good in both zone and man, no team runs 100% man anymore, the highest team ran just over 50% for the season.  That’s why the whole debate between Revis and Sherman was pointless, it’s a different league now, no one plays that much man, no CB follows their receiver from the outside to the slot like Revis did, but you don’t have to with scheme and the amount of nickel teams play in.  Base defense used to mean that back when Revis played, now most teams play nickel more than what their “base” once was.  Will be interesting to see what we do, but I’d be very happy if we went corner or pass rusher in round one.

[MasterBateser]

1 hour ago, Francis York Morgan said:

They've hid their true intentions every draft. They might as well have said they drafting front 7.

Seriously. Last year it was all talk about the dline and what not then he carpet bombed the oline.

Hoping this year we carpet bomb the entire defense.

[CTann]

24 minutes ago, Rings said:

I think it’s important they are good in both zone and man, no team runs 100% man anymore, the highest team ran just over 50% for the season.  That’s why the whole debate between Revis and Sherman was pointless, it’s a different league now, no one plays that much man, no CB follows their receiver from the outside to the slot like Revis did, but you don’t have to with scheme and the amount of nickel teams play in.  Base defense used to mean that back when Revis played, now most teams play nickel more than what their “base” once was.  Will be interesting to see what we do, but I’d be very happy if we went corner or pass rusher in round one.

Assuming there is no trade up for Okudah, what CB do you like? I have yet to really look at the corners in depth as I’ve looked more at the edge guys so far. I’ve seen a small amount of Fulton and I like what I’ve seen, but I’ve still not watched enough to make me say, “This is the guy.” I watched Trevon Diggs game against Auburn and was not impressed if we’re talking the 16th pick. One guy I have my eye on is the corner from Stanford. He’s another one who I’ve seen very little of but the small amount I saw caught my eye. Paulson Adebo is his name. 

[Ergo Proxy]

3 hours ago, Ovie_Lover said:

Early can mean 2nd or 3rd round too. Or maybe one falls and its BPA, that's what yall like right? BPA and dont reach?

We need a corner or safety as well. So stop complaining. 

Didn’t you know we only have one draft pick and a NON TANKED PICK at THAT?!

[Rings]

9 minutes ago, CTann said:

Assuming there is no trade up for Okudah, what CB do you like? I have yet to really look at the corners in depth as I’ve looked more at the edge guys so far. I’ve seen a small amount of Fulton and I like what I’ve seen, but I’ve still not watched enough to make me say, “This is the guy.” I watched Trevon Diggs game against Auburn and was not impressed if we’re talking the 16th pick. One guy I have my eye on is the corner from Stanford. He’s another one who I’ve seen very little of but the small amount I saw caught my eye. Paulson Adebo is his name. 

Honestly I haven’t done any draft prep yet, and I hate it.  I’m normally already all in but been busy at work so hoping in a couple weeks I can dive in.  I work Saturdays so i don’t get to see a ton of college football, watched a few Ohio State games being from the area and like the obvious names, but haven’t done much more than that so I won’t pretend to know who I like yet.  I am still hoping the pick at 16 is no one and TD surprises us all and trades back.  I really want us to recoup a pick or two this year to get back the ones he has spent over the last decade trading up for players.

[blkbigdog35]

2 hours ago, Francis York Morgan said:

Sounds to me like they're moving on but want to bring some people back. Namely, I can see Clayborne being a Falcon next year.

Clayborn I truly hope we can bring back.  Very good rotation piece!

[Francis York Morgan]

42 minutes ago, CTann said:

Assuming there is no trade up for Okudah, what CB do you like? I have yet to really look at the corners in depth as I’ve looked more at the edge guys so far. I’ve seen a small amount of Fulton and I like what I’ve seen, but I’ve still not watched enough to make me say, “This is the guy.” I watched Trevon Diggs game against Auburn and was not impressed if we’re talking the 16th pick. One guy I have my eye on is the corner from Stanford. He’s another one who I’ve seen very little of but the small amount I saw caught my eye. Paulson Adebo is his name. 

Adebo is great. Not coming out unfortunately. Bryce Hall is another guy I really like in the top 3 rounds or so. And Amik Robertson could be an elite slot CB. 

[ryanadonis]

Takk still plays?

[Rings]

10 minutes ago, R_The_Great said:

Takk still plays?

Let’s hope so, he’s the best pass rusher we have under contract.

[quotemokc]

When has TD EVER shown his hand?

[Vandy]

On 1/21/2020 at 8:07 PM, FentayeJones said:

Ill bet that extra 2nd round pick is burning a hole in TD's biker pants.

Fixed it. 
 

And yes, don’t we know it!

[A-TowN.-]

13 hours ago, Sun Tzu 7 said:

That sounds about right.  They lose 4-5 guys on the dline and pass rush is still an issue.

The Falcons response?  Draft a corner or safety...

Yes because we only have one draft pick 

[Francis York Morgan]

40 minutes ago, A-TowN.- said:

Yes because we only have one draft pick 

I think we're hitting CB by day 2 at the latest, and possibly both a safety and CB by then. 

Creeping suspicion we fall in love and take Kinlaw in the 1st though. Dimi might even trade up to do it, but I really hope he stays put to let the draft come to us or trades down for once.

[red falcon]

Need great secondary play in this league as others have said. Corners playing close to the line helped so much as stated in this thread.

[vel]

16 hours ago, Rings said:

One thing Gregg Williams said on why they drafted Danzel Ward over Bradley Chubb always stuck with me.  Said Myles Garrett was a half step away from a sack 10+ times the previous season, adding Chubb doesn’t get him home, adding a #1 corner that makes the QB go to his next read does.  

Takk was one of the best in the league at beating his blocker last year, adding another DE does not get him home, adding a true #1 corner does.  Not saying he will suddenly become Myles Garrett, but you get the point.  Adding a number #1 corner also makes everyone of your other corners better based off of their assignments.  

This is why I think coverage is more important than pass rush, they both matter a ton, but I think great coverage can allow a mediocre pass rush to get home, it doesn’t work the other way around.  If you have a strong pass rush and one corner doesn’t do their job, there is a completed pass.  If you have strong coverage and one pass rusher doesn’t do their job, there is still a chance someone else will get home because of the time the coverage had given them.

This. People hate to hear it because you're taught to build the trenches, but it won't matter if the coverage is trash. QBs that can get the ball out negate any pass rush. 

[Francis York Morgan]

5 minutes ago, vel said:

This. People hate to hear it because you're taught to build the trenches, but it won't matter if the coverage is trash. QBs that can get the ball out negate any pass rush. 

While I agree, you also have to consider attrition. We're losing a lot more on the pass rush side this year after already losing a lot last year. I'm fine with going secondary early - a dream draft for me is actually getting Xavier McKinney or Antoine Winfield Jr. plus Bryce Hall or Jeff Gladney with our 2nd rounders - but we need help at multiple areas on the defense. Bringing back Clayborne and signing Irvin would alleviate a lot of that stress at edge.

[vel]

2 minutes ago, Francis York Morgan said:

While I agree, you also have to consider attrition. We're losing a lot more on the pass rush side this year after already losing a lot last year. I'm fine with going secondary early - a dream draft for me is actually getting Xavier McKinney or Antoine Winfield Jr. plus Bryce Hall or Jeff Gladney with our 2nd rounders - but we need help at multiple areas on the defense. Bringing back Clayborne and signing Irvin would alleviate a lot of that stress at edge.

Are we? Clayborn most likely is back. Vic can kick rocks in Antarctica. Like you said, you can bring in Irvin and fully address replacing Vic. From there, you've got virtually the same DL to build upon. I think Davison is back as well. I think they still go DL in the first two rounds, but it doesn't have to be a lock at #16 if it's not the value.