186 Yards

[etherdome]

Coaching matters more than any other factor.  

I know that a lot of people are currently in love with the idea of acquiring a big back like Henry.  I can understand that.  When you see Henry bulldoze over defenders, you can't help but to want the same for our team.  The problem is that you can't depend on one man to physically dominate in the NFL.  In a matter of a few quick seasons, Henry will be past his prime and well on his way to his first joint replacement.  

But that is another topic.

What I am astounded about yesterday's NFC conference game was one simple stat.  The 49'ers compiled 186 yards, one the ground, PRIOR TO CONTACT.  

That, my friends, comes from two things, 

1.  Great scheming.......the defense simply did not know where the ball was going to go.

2.  Great blocking.  

We have neither.  So, we have no shot at establishing a good, consistent rush offense.    

Koetter, Quinn and whoever is teaching our OL's how to block, are not smart enough to develop a good, reliable rush offense.  We are limited by our coaches.  So, we can mock all the talent in the world, as long as this team is headed by dullards, we will get excuses and slogans.....oh, and really expensive hood ornaments.  

Am I bitter?  In a word, yes.  I am getting old and have seen way too many opportunities missed by the likes of Bennett, Campbell, Glanville, Mora and especially Quinn.

186 yards prior to contact........nothing like that will ever be a Falcon stat.      

 

[Tribal Chief]

Scheme and player fit. Nothing more, nothing less. No such thing as needing a particular player.

[Duff_Man]

It's been done...

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/200501150atl.htm

I mean just pick any game from 2004.

[RING OF HONOR]

9 minutes ago, Duff_Man said:

It's been done...

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/200501150atl.htm

I mean just pick any game from 2004.

I'm looking Duff...I dont see it...help me out

I dont see a link that breaks that stuff down 

[Tmodel66]

If you take an NFL-caliber RB and put him in open space, he will do damage, and most successful teams aren't spending high picks on RBs. 

Raheem Mostert has played on 5 different teams in 5 years (and played at SF twice), but runs for 220 and 4 TDs yesterday.  

It's scheme.  We haven't seen these monster gaps since...Shanahan was coaching here.

Frustrating to see Shanahan and LaFleur coaching in the NFC championship while Quinn gets another year (aka "the definition of insanity").

[408Falcon]

It shows we don't need to overpay RBs. We can cycle through them every 4 years or so lol

[papachaz]

1 hour ago, ya_boi_j said:

Scheme and player fit. Nothing more, nothing less. No such thing as needing a particular player.

ummm, correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the Falcons pretty much shut that down when we played them?

 

[Ergo Proxy]

54 minutes ago, papachaz said:

ummm, correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the Falcons pretty much shut that down when we played them?

 

Ayyyy!!!

Yea, DQ ain’t the best HC but he can scheme an opponent he knows well or has more time to; which is what IMO makes him being very good in playoffs. He has done this in division often and vs former colleagues.

If our defense didn’t rebound from that ..17 play drive by SF early in that game? We never had a shot. That kind of stand doesn’t happen with our 2016 unit if our offense was playing poorly. They’d break due to the war of attrition.

Now if only Quinn knew to place his staff in the right spots before the season...or scout the AFC better etc.

Defense was much younger other than our OL...especially those DBs Morris helped so much flipping from WR over there and giving them some real confidence vs the confused clueless unit we saw weeks 1-8. Dudes got clear gameplans/prep during week and coverages improve...BAM we get a pass rush back.

Alas, hoping the young guys yet to be here (draft) and TBD vets benefit from Morris all year as DC.

If that post-Bye Defense shows up we can make playoffs.

Edited January 20, 2020 by Schwarzwald

[Tribal Chief]

10 minutes ago, papachaz said:

ummm, correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the Falcons pretty much shut that down when we played them?

 

That was nothin. Take a look at what the Cardinals did to their rushing attack. Now that was a shut down

[JDaveG]

29 minutes ago, Schwarzwald said:

Ayyyy!!!

Yea, DQ ain’t the best HC but he can scheme an opponent he knows well or has more time to; which is what IMO makes him being very good in playoffs. He has done this in division often and vs former colleagues.

If our defense didn’t rebound from that ..17 play drive by SF early in that game? We never had a shot. That kind of stand doesn’t happen with our 2016 unit if our offense was playing poorly. They’d break due to the war of attrition.

Now if only Quinn knew to place his staff in the right spots before the season...or scout the AFC better etc.

Defense was much younger other than our OL...especially those DBs Morris helped so much flipping from WR over there and giving them some real confidence vs the confused clueless unit we same weeks 1-8. Dudes got clear gameplans/prep during week and coverages improve...BAM we get a pass rush back.

Alas, hoping the young guys and TBD vets benefit for Morris all year as DC.

If that post-Bye Defense shows up we can make playoffs.

Honestly, this kind of summarizes my take on DQ, and is one reason I'm glad he's still here.  If I'm reading you right, you agree he's solid with Xs and Os in the main.  His weakness apparently is not knowing how to fit the pieces together to get the best from his team as a whole.  I think we all agree that if the defense played the 1st 8 games like the last 8 we'd have been in the playoffs.

My take is that he has the right ideas.  Don't tell me what a guy can't do, tell me what he can do and we'll feature that.  Run the ball.  Clock control.  Solid defense with high premium on turnovers.  He knows how to win.  Where he's weak is things like clock management, staffing, organizational priorities.  And IMHO he's hamstrung by an owner that demands results a certain way and a GM who is bound and determined to give the owner what he wants.  Hopefully Blank taking a step back and putting McKay in between him and the GM/coach will help with that.

Which is easier to learn?  Quinn learned some really good lessons this season.  It sucked for us fans, but if he puts them into practice, we can see a much better product in years to come.

Granted, I'm naturally optimistic.  But I have been saying for months I didn't think Quinn was necessarily going to be fired.  This is one reason why.  His failures do not have to do with coaching football, but with running an organization.  And a lifetime of football acumen is harder to acquire than organizational skills, which is why so many head coaches fail the first time around.  There is a learning curve.  I think Quinn is smart enough to benefit from that.

[FalconsIn2012]

2 hours ago, etherdome said:

Coaching matters more than any other factor.  

I know that a lot of people are currently in love with the idea of acquiring a big back like Henry.  I can understand that.  When you see Henry bulldoze over defenders, you can't help but to want the same for our team.  The problem is that you can't depend on one man to physically dominate in the NFL.  In a matter of a few quick seasons, Henry will be past his prime and well on his way to his first joint replacement.  

But that is another topic.

What I am astounded about yesterday's NFC conference game was one simple stat.  The 49'ers compiled 186 yards, one the ground, PRIOR TO CONTACT.  

That, my friends, comes from two things, 

1.  Great scheming.......the defense simply did not know where the ball was going to go.

2.  Great blocking.  

We have neither.  So, we have no shot at establishing a good, consistent rush offense.    

Koetter, Quinn and whoever is teaching our OL's how to block, are not smart enough to develop a good, reliable rush offense.  We are limited by our coaches.  So, we can mock all the talent in the world, as long as this team is headed by dullards, we will get excuses and slogans.....oh, and really expensive hood ornaments.  

Am I bitter?  In a word, yes.  I am getting old and have seen way too many opportunities missed by the likes of Bennett, Campbell, Glanville, Mora and especially Quinn.

186 yards prior to contact........nothing like that will ever be a Falcon stat.      

 

What’s funny is that if they had to throw, PA would have been lethal with their success on the ground

[Ergo Proxy]

8 minutes ago, JDaveG said:

Honestly, this kind of summarizes my take on DQ, and is one reason I'm glad he's still here.  If I'm reading you right, you agree he's solid with Xs and Os in the main.  His weakness apparently is not knowing how to fit the pieces together to get the best from his team as a whole.  I think we all agree that if the defense played the 1st 8 games like the last 8 we'd have been in the playoffs.

My take is that he has the right ideas.  Don't tell me what a guy can't do, tell me what he can do and we'll feature that.  Run the ball.  Clock control.  Solid defense with high premium on turnovers.  He knows how to win.  Where he's weak is things like clock management, staffing, organizational priorities.  And IMHO he's hamstrung by an owner that demands results a certain way and a GM who is bound and determined to give the owner what he wants.  Hopefully Blank taking a step back and putting McKay in between him and the GM/coach will help with that.

Which is easier to learn?  Quinn learned some really good lessons this season.  It sucked for us fans, but if he puts them into practice, we can see a much better product in years to come.

Granted, I'm naturally optimistic.  But I have been saying for months I didn't think Quinn was necessarily going to be fired.  This is one reason why.  His failures do not have to do with coaching football, but with running an organization.  And a lifetime of football acumen is harder to acquire than organizational skills, which is why so many head coaches fail the first time around.  There is a learning curve.  I think Quinn is smart enough to benefit from that.

Exactly. 100% spot on.

[Ergo Proxy]

6 minutes ago, FalconsIn2012 said:

What’s funny is that if they had to throw, PA would have been lethal with their success on the ground

...but do they have Matt Ryan?

[Run 'n' Shoot]

I was also funny hearing Mike Person's name a bunch. That goes to show you the wonders of a properly executed zone blocking scheme. 

[FormerFan-RobertAP]

6 hours ago, etherdome said:

186 yards prior to contact........nothing like that will ever be a Falcon stat.   

We had our one chance under Shanahan.  We let the best coach in our history walk out the door.  We were left with a cheerleader.  This is the Arthur Blank legacy.

[etherdome]

5 hours ago, JDaveG said:

Honestly, this kind of summarizes my take on DQ, and is one reason I'm glad he's still here.  If I'm reading you right, you agree he's solid with Xs and Os in the main.  His weakness apparently is not knowing how to fit the pieces together to get the best from his team as a whole.  I think we all agree that if the defense played the 1st 8 games like the last 8 we'd have been in the playoffs.

My take is that he has the right ideas.  Don't tell me what a guy can't do, tell me what he can do and we'll feature that.  Run the ball.  Clock control.  Solid defense with high premium on turnovers.  He knows how to win.  Where he's weak is things like clock management, staffing, organizational priorities.  And IMHO he's hamstrung by an owner that demands results a certain way and a GM who is bound and determined to give the owner what he wants.  Hopefully Blank taking a step back and putting McKay in between him and the GM/coach will help with that.

Which is easier to learn?  Quinn learned some really good lessons this season.  It sucked for us fans, but if he puts them into practice, we can see a much better product in years to come.

Granted, I'm naturally optimistic.  But I have been saying for months I didn't think Quinn was necessarily going to be fired.  This is one reason why.  His failures do not have to do with coaching football, but with running an organization.  And a lifetime of football acumen is harder to acquire than organizational skills, which is why so many head coaches fail the first time around.  There is a learning curve.  I think Quinn is smart enough to benefit from that.

Running the organization is pretty much the key responsibility of a HC.  When you talk about Quinn’s qualities, it sounds like you are describing what a good coordinator should do.

Blank insists on avoiding criminal and poor character employees.  Blank gives Quinn what he wants, so Blank is not the issue.  
TD also gives Quinn what he wants, so I don’t think there is a valid excuse for Quinn’s performance as a HC.

Watching Quinn learn on the job is painful for the fans.  He is wasting the Ryan/Jones window of opportunity.

[JDaveG]

24 minutes ago, etherdome said:

Running the organization is pretty much the key responsibility of a HC.  When you talk about Quinn’s qualities, it sounds like you are describing what a good coordinator should do.

Blank insists on avoiding criminal and poor character employees.  Blank gives Quinn what he wants, so Blank is not the issue.  
TD also gives Quinn what he wants, so I don’t think there is a valid excuse for Quinn’s performance as a HC.

Watching Quinn learn on the job is painful for the fans.  He is wasting the Ryan/Jones window of opportunity.

Absolutely running the organization is the key responsibility other than coaching.  But it isn't like football knowledge and Xs and Os are unimportant to that role.  And the one (Xs and Os) is harder to find than the other.  

You can let a good coach learn from his mistakes.  You will never get a good organizational manager to take your team to the next level if he doesn't know how to coach.  Quinn knows how to coach.  That's the number one thing you want in a HC.  Letting him learn from his mistakes is beneficial to the organization as a whole.  Remember -- Quinn is the one who wanted Shanahan here.  He hand picked him.  He knows coaching talent.  He's made some mistakes since then, but we have an organization that loves to chase it, so I remain unconvinced Quinn is a proper scapegoat for what happened after Shanahan left.  Shanahan wouldn't have been here at all if not for Dan Quinn.

[Tribal Chief]

 

[kiwifalcon]

5 hours ago, Run 'n' Shoot said:

I was also funny hearing Mike Person's name a bunch. That goes to show you the wonders of a properly executed zone blocking scheme. 

That’s the sickening thing about this and why coaching is so important. I been soapboxing this coaching regime for the last 2.5 years while everyone else’s is talking cap and all this other ****e.

Everyone likes comparing us to the Patriots and others.The Patriots aren’t the most talented roster in the league but best believe when it comes to coaching there light years ahead of us and everyone else.

You want to differentiate great good and bad have a look at there coaching staffs.

[32wood84white]

10 hours ago, Tmodel66 said:

If you take an NFL-caliber RB and put him in open space, he will do damage, and most successful teams aren't spending high picks on RBs. 

Raheem Mostert has played on 5 different teams in 5 years (and played at SF twice), but runs for 220 and 4 TDs yesterday.  

It's scheme.  We haven't seen these monster gaps since...Shanahan was coaching here.

Frustrating to see Shanahan and LaFleur coaching in the NFC championship while Quinn gets another year (aka "the definition of insanity").

Pretty positive that’s not the definition of insanity.

KS is a great football mind. He was never going to stay after having an offense like that in 2016. I’m still not sure what’s so great about LaFleur.

[BUBBASBEANS]

11 hours ago, etherdome said:

Coaching matters more than any other factor.  

I know that a lot of people are currently in love with the idea of acquiring a big back like Henry.  I can understand that.  When you see Henry bulldoze over defenders, you can't help but to want the same for our team.  The problem is that you can't depend on one man to physically dominate in the NFL.  In a matter of a few quick seasons, Henry will be past his prime and well on his way to his first joint replacement.  

But that is another topic.

What I am astounded about yesterday's NFC conference game was one simple stat.  The 49'ers compiled 186 yards, one the ground, PRIOR TO CONTACT.  

That, my friends, comes from two things, 

1.  Great scheming.......the defense simply did not know where the ball was going to go.

2.  Great blocking.  

We have neither.  So, we have no shot at establishing a good, consistent rush offense.    

Koetter, Quinn and whoever is teaching our OL's how to block, are not smart enough to develop a good, reliable rush offense.  We are limited by our coaches.  So, we can mock all the talent in the world, as long as this team is headed by dullards, we will get excuses and slogans.....oh, and really expensive hood ornaments.  

Am I bitter?  In a word, yes.  I am getting old and have seen way too many opportunities missed by the likes of Bennett, Campbell, Glanville, Mora and especially Quinn.

186 yards prior to contact........nothing like that will ever be a Falcon stat.      

 

You’re preaching to the quire man!!  Preach on!

[Tmodel66]

8 minutes ago, 32wood84white said:

Pretty positive that’s not the definition of insanity.

KS is a great football mind. He was never going to stay after having an offense like that in 2016. I’m still not sure what’s so great about LaFleur.

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing and expecting a different outcome.  

• The Falcons had late season rallies to finish 7-9 the last two years.
• The Falcons finish near the bottom of the league in defense.
• The Falcons finish near the bottom of the league in rushing.
• Our defense improves when our head coach - who is a defensive coach - gives up the defense to his assistants.
• Our GM now reports to the man he replaced as GM.
• The biggest change next year will be the uniforms.
• But, as fans, we think next year will be different.

That is insanity.

[Macintez]

12 hours ago, ya_boi_j said:

Scheme and player fit. Nothing more, nothing less. No such thing as needing a particular player.

Ya boi... I gotta be honest. It’s going to take a miracle of a draft and scheme adjustment to get this team to perform next year. I will watch every game as a fan does every season, and tides can change every year, but I don’t think Quinn and TD can pull this off. I don’t know why I’m opening up to you on this team lol but man I don’t know what it will take anymore. I’ve seen this regime play with skill, with heart, with effort, with talent... But never in one season, because if we did we would have won it all with Matt Ryan. I just don’t know no more.

[Rings]

10 minutes ago, Tmodel66 said:

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing and expecting a different outcome.  

• The Falcons had late season rallies to finish 7-9 the last two years.
• The Falcons finish near the bottom of the league in defense.
• The Falcons finish near the bottom of the league in rushing.
• Our defense improves when our head coach - who is a defensive coach - gives up the defense to his assistants.
• Our GM now reports to the man he replaced as GM.
• The biggest change next year will be the uniforms.
• But, as fans, we think next year will be different.

That is insanity.

I don’t think it will be different, unless Dirk completely changes his past tendencies, it will be more of the same.

[shc]

28 minutes ago, Tmodel66 said:

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing and expecting a different outcome. 

What exactly is the definition of insanity?