youngbloodz 15,565 Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 30 minutes ago, lju713 said: What if Simmons and Chaisson are on the board at 16??? Who makes the D better. Both will play OLB, but Chaisson can rush, and Simmons can cover. Simmons FA91 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Francis York Morgan 24,719 Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 57 minutes ago, Matt_The Iceman_Ryan said: All of it.... Show me how he is better than VB44 coming out of Clemson as a pass rusher...he’s not... The NFL is way different...at this point, he’s a situational pass rusher at best... And that is really poor value at #16 Javon Kinlaw, Espenesa are the DL options at #16, no others.... He replaces Campbell at SAM and can be a nickel pass rusher. Also, and maybe most importantly, he's a very vocal leader and his motor never stops. I'm praying he's there at 16 because he's 100% the pick. Comparing him to Beasley is almost disrespectful tbh. Give Beasley Chaisson's motor and drive to improve and he's a top 5 DE in the league, period. The dude is 20. TWENTY! It's ridiculous. I'd take him over almost anyone in the draft...just worried he rises a ton over the next few months. He's going to interview well too. ATLSlobberKnockers, Sidecar Falcon, mar31985 and 3 others 6 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
FalconFanSince1969 13,513 Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 For example, Campebell was our SAM. Chaisson would man the same position as Campbell did. He's a stand up LB that can rush the passer. He is not a hands in the dirt straight up pass rusher and nothing else. He covers TE's, he covers the flats extremely well so he will be the antidote to Kamara and Mccaffrey catching passes out of the backfield, it's just an added bonus that he's a heck of a pass rusher too. ATLSlobberKnockers 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
FalconFanSince1969 13,513 Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 3 minutes ago, Francis York Morgan said: He replaces Campbell at SAM and can be a nickel pass rusher. Also, and maybe most importantly, he's a very vocal leader and his motor never stops. I'm praying he's there at 16 because he's 100% the pick. Comparing him to Beasley is almost disrespectful tbh. Give Beasley Chaisson's motor and drive to improve and he's a top 5 DE in the league, period. The dude is 20. TWENTY! It's ridiculous. I'd take him over almost anyone in the draft...just worried he rises a ton over the next few months. He's going to interview well too. He thinks that all he is is an edge rusher because that's what it says by his name on mock sites. Ergo Proxy and Francis York Morgan 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
FalconFanSince1969 13,513 Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 Pay attention to the little things he does. He is extremely disciplined for as young as he is. citsalp and gtech1 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Francis York Morgan 24,719 Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 2 minutes ago, FalconFanSince1969 said: He thinks that all he is is an edge rusher because that's what it says by his name on mock sites. Didn't everyone here watch the championship? He had snaps manning up on WRs for Christ's sake lmao ATLSlobberKnockers 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
FalconFanSince1969 13,513 Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 Look at #18. Look at the patience. He doesn't bite on the fake and stays with his assignment 100% citsalp, mar31985 and KRUNKuno 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
vel 32,037 Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 I doubt Chaisson makes it to #16. He's 20 with massive upside. Those guys tend to rise during the process. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Califalcon0013 654 Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 That would be great but we probably going to have trade up for him. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Matt_The Iceman_Ryan 1,877 Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 26 minutes ago, Francis York Morgan said: He replaces Campbell at SAM and can be a nickel pass rusher. Also, and maybe most importantly, he's a very vocal leader and his motor never stops. I'm praying he's there at 16 because he's 100% the pick. Comparing him to Beasley is almost disrespectful tbh. Give Beasley Chaisson's motor and drive to improve and he's a top 5 DE in the league, period. The dude is 20. TWENTY! It's ridiculous. I'd take him over almost anyone in the draft...just worried he rises a ton over the next few months. He's going to interview well too. I’m not buying a “maybe” good SAM backer at 16... Hes started 13 college games...let’s slow our roll on the draft pundits... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ergo Proxy 25,530 Posted January 17, 2020 Author Share Posted January 17, 2020 11 minutes ago, vel said: I doubt Chaisson makes it to #16. He's 20 with massive upside. Those guys tend to rise during the process. I’ve seen some guys I follow on Twitter compare him to Brian Burns among many other comps. I think Burns turned 21 last year at the time of the draft? Its possible he falls. Just one of the guys if still available type scenario... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ya_boi_j 64,311 Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 JDaveG, Ergo Proxy, Artys Arryn and 1 other 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Francis York Morgan 24,719 Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 19 minutes ago, Matt_The Iceman_Ryan said: I’m not buying a “maybe” good SAM backer at 16... Hes started 13 college games...let’s slow our roll on the draft pundits... It's like you didn't even read the post dude Ergo Proxy 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Matt_The Iceman_Ryan 1,877 Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 10 minutes ago, Francis York Morgan said: It's like you didn't even read the post dude I did read the post and comprehended what was needed. The bottom line: Chaisson at 16 is poor draft value and not the best use of draft capital to improve our defense. If you want to take him in the 2nd round, I’m fine with that approach. FA91 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
FalconFanSince1969 13,513 Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 4 minutes ago, Matt_The Iceman_Ryan said: I did read the post and comprehended what was needed. The bottom line: Chaisson at 16 is poor draft value and not the best use of draft capital to improve our defense. If you want to take him in the 2nd round, I’m fine with that approach. Ok so what is good value @ 16 mr guy? Lets hear it. Ergo Proxy 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Vandy 38,986 Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 2 hours ago, ZoneOne01 said: With all of the offensive talent in this draft, guys like Chaisson and Epenesa have a good chance at being there at 16. I’m fine with either one. My thoughts as well. Ergo Proxy 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Vandy 38,986 Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 40 minutes ago, Schwarzwald said: I’ve seen some guys I follow on Twitter compare him to Brian Burns among many other comps. I think Burns turned 21 last year at the time of the draft? Its possible he falls. Just one of the guys if still available type scenario... I wouldn't cry ergo even if we end up drafting a DT like Kinlaw or a Safety Delpit. Bottom line, no doubt a very good defensive prospect is going to be there at 16.... Sidecar Falcon, HASHBROWN3, Ergo Proxy and 2 others 5 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sidecar Falcon 7,659 Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 10 minutes ago, FalconFanSince1969 said: Ok so what is good value @ 16 mr guy? Lets hear it. He stated Epenesa and Kinlaw. Neither option seems like a good pick at this point. I don’t like Epenesa, and I’m not sold on Kinlaw. I have to research the OP’s prospect a bit more before stating an opinion. Right now I have Biadasz as my top pick. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sidecar Falcon 7,659 Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 3 minutes ago, Vandy said: I wouldn't cry ergo even if we end up drafting a DT like Kinlaw or a Safety Delpit. Bottom line, no doubt a very good defensive prospect is going to be there at 16.... Not sold on Kinlaw. Delpit’s stock was hurt due to poor tackling this year, although that could have coincided with his ankle injury. I think his draft stock is going to be determined by his combine. Vandy 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Vandy 38,986 Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 15 minutes ago, Sidecar Falcon said: Not sold on Kinlaw. Delpit’s stock was hurt due to poor tackling this year, although that could have coincided with his ankle injury. I think his draft stock is going to be determined by his combine. He’ll (Delpit) kill it in the combine. My bigger point is I think our pick at 16 will be a difficult one in that there could be 3-4 viable candidates to choose from. Which Wasn’t the case last year. ATLSlobberKnockers 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
FalconFanSince1969 13,513 Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 18 minutes ago, Sidecar Falcon said: He stated Epenesa and Kinlaw. Neither option seems like a good pick at this point. I don’t like Epenesa, and I’m not sold on Kinlaw. I have to research the OP’s prospect a bit more before stating an opinion. Right now I have Biadasz as my top pick. This draft is quite a bit deeper @ DT than it is LB. I'm hoping we address DE in free agency. I like Epenesa, but his still set is easier to find than Chaisson's is. We could re-sign Clayborn and get that. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
NWFALCON 3,950 Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 1 hour ago, FalconFanSince1969 said: Pay attention to the little things he does. He is extremely disciplined for as young as he is. I’ll admit that i don’t watch college football as much as i should, but i really like how he sets the edge. Something we are really missing JDaveG 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Matt_The Iceman_Ryan 1,877 Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 1 hour ago, FalconFanSince1969 said: Ok so what is good value @ 16 mr guy? Lets hear it. Besides the obvious players....Kinlaw, Epenesa, Delpit, Murray... Falcons needs to really be looking at trade up options for Simmons or Brown....or trade back options... I really do like Kinlaw at 16...brings what is needed to front 7 and draft capital wise, slots nicely without an overreach Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GATXBOI 1,917 Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 https://thedraftnetwork.com/mockdraft/4khDWiCk8N in my mock i had the choice between Him Espensa and Kinlaw Quote Link to post Share on other sites
FalconFanSince1970 24,181 Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 Might be able to trade down five slots pick up a third rounder and take him or Gross-Matos. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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