Clemson vs LSU

[pearljamnash13]

Arthur Blank should open up his pocket book to get Joe Brady as an OC. Burrow is good, but that scheme had LSU humming.

[Romfal]

I'm not a fan of Delpit, if anyone can sell me hes not a day 2 prospect please do

[Rings]

34 minutes ago, Romfal said:

I'm not a fan of Delpit, if anyone can sell me hes not a day 2 prospect please do

I think he is a good player, too early to tell where he will fall prior to combines and pro days.

[Smiler11]

4 hours ago, PeytonMannings Forehead said:

I like Burrow. Got a lot of moxie, throws a nice ball, but I’m skeptical of one year wonders, especially if they don’t have elite physical traits. Before he got in this offense he was literally just another guy.

Go back and watch his last 4 games of 2018 and you can see he kind of had a light bulb moment. Not sure 4 games in 2018 stops him being a 1 year wonder but it should alleviate concerns that he was some kind of JAG before Joe Brady got there and that he's a product of the scheme. 

[Spts1]

6 hours ago, PeytonMannings Forehead said:

I like Burrow. Got a lot of moxie, throws a nice ball, but I’m skeptical of one year wonders, especially if they don’t have elite physical traits. Before he got in this offense he was literally just another guy.

So I wasn't the only one.  Very good observation.  I wasn't gonna waste my time with that opinion on this board. Glad you said it anyway...

Edited January 14, 2020 by Spts1

[Spts1]

6 hours ago, PeytonMannings Forehead said:

Lawrence ain’t even going through his progressions. First read ain’t there he’s taking off.

I'm more sceptical of him than burrow at the next level.  Questionable ability to read defensives and not accurate...

[Rise]

5 hours ago, Romfal said:

I'm not a fan of Delpit, if anyone can sell me hes not a day 2 prospect please do

This regime has little time for drafting Safeties in the 1st round.

They really have a lot of pressure. These picks have to put them over the top next season.

With Allen, Kazee, and Neal returning under contract, the positions of Safety are crowded already. Delpit is more of a SS.

[quotemokc]

Burrow threw some magnificent deep balls despite there being no safety help for the corner.

[Vandy]

6 hours ago, Romfal said:

I'm not a fan of Delpit, if anyone can sell me hes not a day 2 prospect please do

 

[MasterBateser]

9 hours ago, FalconsIn2012 said:

So just let us know your projection on Burrow? Bust or Pro Bowl player?

Bust. 

[Summerhill]

9 hours ago, Romfal said:

I'm not a fan of Delpit, if anyone can sell me hes not a day 2 prospect please do

I didn't watch the game that closely, but the play on the ball in the air early on that almost resulted in a INT was nice. 

[FalconsIn2012]

6 minutes ago, Ovie_Lover said:

Bust. 

Control P

 

[MasterBateser]

2 minutes ago, FalconsIn2012 said:

Control P

 

I've said it plenty of times. Even said it yesterday. 

[Francis York Morgan]

20 minutes ago, Summerhill said:

I didn't watch the game that closely, but the play on the ball in the air early on that almost resulted in a INT was nice. 

People are all over the place on Delpit. Top 5 in the draft or not worth a pick. Kinda ridiculous.

Imho, if you want a leader who is also a blazing fast playmaker who can blitz, play single high with range, man up on TEs etc - that's him. He's special. Think a taller Earl Thomas. You take the less than stellar run D with it, but he'll still make some plays there. If you prefer someone more active in run D but less fast, rangy, tall, etc, there's still Winfield Jr. He's more in the Mathieu vein. Doesn't have the same physical talent.

I've cooled on Delpit this year, but he's still a phenomenal talent and will likely go top 20. He'd do a lot for this defense if he came here. 

[FalconsIn2012]

15 minutes ago, Ovie_Lover said:

I've said it plenty of times. Even said it yesterday. 

So you wouldn’t take with our second round pick?  
 

Care to explain what in his game you don’t think translates?  He is the best in recent memory when throwing under pressure, throwing into tight windows and on broken plays.   Despite what people think, LSU’s line was average on pass pro all year and Burrow was under constant pressure

[FalconsIn2012]

UNDER PRESSURE

Finalists: Joe Burrow (2019), Kyler Murray(2018), Baker Mayfield (2017), Deshaun Watson(2016)

The decision to name these four the finalists for best under pressure wasn’t a difficult one, as no other quarterback sniffed the pack in PFF grade. Moreover, Burrow has not had an ideal scenario in regard to his pass-blocking unit – while it could be worse, it could certainly be better, as he has spent nearly 31% of his dropbacks under pressure (for perspective, fellow potential first-round picks Tagovailoa and Justin Herbert have a rate more than 8% lower). Burrow has overcome this to toss 15 touchdowns, complete 69% of his passes, record a 146.5 passer rating and average 12.3 yards per attempt while under duress, all of which lead the past Heisman finalists.

All these guys opted to air it out quite a bit when under pressure – Watson specifically threw a deep pass on nearly 25% of his pressured attempts and connected on just half of those. As for Mayfield, he connected on just five of his 17 deep pressured attempts. Murray didn’t go as deep with his pass attempts and attacked more of the intermediate range but did that rather successfully with a 152.8 passer rating on those. That said, none of these excellent players came remotely close to Burrow on pressured deep passing. He was in a league of his own, completed 15 of his 21 passes with eight big-time throws and zero turnover-worthy plays. 

Winner: Joe Burrow (2019)

THROWS OF 10-PLUS YARDS

Finalists: Joe Burrow (2019), Kyler Murray (2018), Baker Mayfield (2017), Baker Mayfield (2016)

It shouldn’t be a surprise to see Oklahoma occupy three of the top four spots among previous Heisman candidates in passing 10 yards or more downfield, considering they are facing Big 12 competition. Though the appearance of Burrow at the top — who is going up the most difficult conference in the SEC — is incredibly impressive.

Led by former NFL quarterback Bruce Gradkowski, PFF charts every single pass on every single play at the collegiate and professional level, and Burrow’s numbers in 2019 relative to the group average is unbelievable. On these throws of 10-plus yards, he has an accurate pass rate more than 23% above the 2019 average. Among the group of past Heisman winners specifically, Burrow has thrown four more touchdowns of 10-plus yards than anyone else (34) and averaged more yards per attempt (15.9).

When throwing this range when clean, Mayfield was untouchable – limiting mistakes and completing passes at an astronomical rate. This was true for Murray as well, who had a clean pocket on these throws more than any of these quarterbacks. However, Burrow set himself apart from everyone when under duress on these passes by remaining accurate and poised. Nothing got in Burrow’s way on these passes – whether it was blitz or a tight window pass, he hit it more often than not.

Winner: Joe Burrow (2019)

CREATING OUTSIDE OF THE STRUCTURE

Finalists: Joe Burrow (2019), Lamar Jackson(2017), Baker Mayfield (2017), Marcus Mariota(2014)

Creating outside of the structure (i.e. non-designed plays outside of the pocket) has become one of the more sought-after traits in the Patrick Mahomes era of football, and these four did it better than any player, regardless if they scrambled for a big gain or let one loose on the run. In this group, though, Mariota was surprisingly the best passer. When having to abandon the pocket and create something out of nothing, Mariota let himself up for a sack fewer than anyone else and reaped a positive play more often than not. Not to mention, he saw all his yards come in the air as opposed to some who had some help after the catch and also produced an adjusted completion percentage of 73.1% on these.

Mayfield was a big-time player in these situations, producing a passer rating of 121.6 and four touchdowns through the air while adding another on the ground. Now the most popular man in the NFL, Jackson wasn’t as much of a polished passer on these plays, but unsurprisingly was far and away better than anyone else when taking off with the ball. Among the group of Heisman candidates, Jackson in 2017 produced six more first downs than anyone else at 21, a first down or touchdown rate 10% higher than anyone else at 64% and averaged 1.2 more yards per scramble than anyone at 10.9.

As mentioned previously, all these players were better than most creating outside of the structure regardless of their decision to keep the ball and run or letting it fly for a last chance pass. However, there was one who did both at high level: Burrow. While he took more sacks than anyone else, no one produced more passing touchdowns (six) or big-time throws (four) than Burrow did. Along with that, he topped the group in yards per attempt at 10.2. On the ground, Burrow produced a first down or touchdown rate that trailed only Lamar Jackson in 2017 at 54% and averaged 9.5 yards per scramble.

Winner: Joe Burrow (2019)

TIGHT-WINDOW PASSING (2015-2019)

Finalists: Joe Burrow (2019), Kyler Murray (2018), Baker Mayfield (2017), Deshaun Watson (2016)

We have four finalists for this category despite it really being only a two-person race, but we will talk through the four best anyways, starting with Watson. During the Clemson Tigers’ run in 2016, Watson threaded the needle on some tight-window throws that were jaw-dropping. In fact, he came away with 12 big-time throws into a tight window. With that though, he had 13 turnover-worthy plays into a tight window, which is four more than any other Heisman contender since 2015. Along with Watson as the two who were on the outside looking in on this one (but good enough to be a contender) is Murray from 2018. That year, Murray hardly gave the defense an opportunity to make a play on the ball when throwing to a tight window. However, he just threw far too many inaccurate passes. His average depth of target on these passes was at an incredibly high 17.6 yards. In other words, he made some big plays downfield into a tight window, but sometimes may have forced too many.

No two quarterbacks have been better passing into a tight window, however, than Burrow in 2019 and Mayfield in 2017. Their grades are above and beyond everyone else. There’s been a lot of talk about Burrow getting off easy in 2019 by his top receiving unit, but as good as the LSU receiving unit has been, Burrow has thrown into a tight window more than anyone else in the group. On these passes, he has thrown six more touchdowns with anyone else at 21 and limited his interceptions to just five, while recording an adjusted completion percentage that was 7% higher than everyone at 67.3% and a passer rating 23 points higher than any other quarterback at 115.9. In Mayfield’s historic season, he had a tremendous wide receiver unit with two of the top separation-getters in Marquise Brown and Ceedee Lamb. With that said, Mayfield only had a tight window pass on 94 of his pass attempts, which is 72 fewer than Burrow had to make. However, Mayfield produced a big-time throw at a far higher rate than anyone else at 15.3%. Burrow has been exceptional throwing into a tight window, but the difference between he and Mayfield is when going deep. On passes of 20-plus yards into a tight window in 2017, Mayfield posted an impressive adjusted completion percentage of 46.4% and threw very few uncatchable passes.

Winner: Baker Mayfield (2017)

RED ZONE

Finalists: Joe Burrow (2019), Justin Fields (2019), Baker Mayfield (2017), Deshaun Watson (2016)

Differentiating who can and cannot seal the deal in the red zone separates the good quarterbacks from the bad and in 2019 we saw two of the best college quarterbacks to ever do it. Burrow has been near immaculate in the red zone with 28 touchdowns and not a single interception – leading way to a 125.0 passer rating. A couple turnover-worthy plays have held him back, but overall, the accuracy is still at the very top.

While Burrow has been about as good as you possibly could be in the red zone, Ohio State’s Fields has been even better. Fields has trounced his way down to the end zone and attempted a pass 49 times in 2019 and has produced a touchdown on nearly 50% of those with 24. He kept the interception column to a goose-egg along with that.

John David Mercer – IMAGN

Watson in 2016 made a strong case with 20 of his 24 red-zone touchdowns earning a positive PFF grade and six of those being a big-time throw, but he had four turnover-worthy plays in that process. Baker topped the list in red zone adjusted completion percentage at 81.3% en route to 22 touchdowns on his 50 attempts but a bad turnover-worthy play hindered his overall success, thus, couldn’t edge out Fields in this one.

Winner: Justin Fields (2019)

[MasterBateser]

1 minute ago, FalconsIn2012 said:

So you wouldn’t take with our second round pick?  
 

Care to explain what in his game you don’t think translates?  He is the best in recent memory when throwing under pressure, throwing into tight windows and on broken plays.   Despite what people think, LSU’s line was average on pass pro all year and Burrow was under constant pressure

If the Falcons picked second and Ryan was done in a year or two I'd take him.

1) he obviously has talent if you get him good coaching. Letting him learn behind Ryan only helps.

2) I think he busts because he isn't just a ridiculous talent that will thrive anywhere. Going to the bengals will ruin him.

Hes talented enough I think he'd survive on Falcons, Saints, Patriots, Steelers, Dolphins, Bears, Lions, Colts.

There's not a QB in this class I think that would survive the Bengals.

He's talented but I dont think he's top shelf talented and would survive anywhere.

[Godzilla1985]

2017- Tua is the greatest QB ever we need to draft him 1st ballot HOF

2018-Lawrence is the best QB ever we need to draft him 4 SBs guaranteed

2019-Burrow is the best QB ever. 15 SBs guaranteed. 1st player ever to go in HOF his rookie year.

2020-...

[FalconsIn2012]

6 minutes ago, Godzilla1985 said:

2017- Tua is the greatest QB ever we need to draft him 1st ballot HOF

2018-Lawrence is the best QB ever we need to draft him 4 SBs guaranteed

2019-Burrow is the best QB ever. 15 SBs guaranteed. 1st player ever to go in HOF his rookie year.

2020-...

To be fair, all 3 could be HOF players in the NFL

[Godzilla1985]

21 minutes ago, FalconsIn2012 said:

To be fair, all 3 could be HOF players in the NFL

Sure they could and so could many others coming out in the next couple of years.

 

My point is every year the NC QB is labeled the next generational talent that is a lock to transform a franchise.  Everyone is instantly caught up in the moment.

[FalconsIn2012]

4 minutes ago, Godzilla1985 said:

Sure they could and so could many others coming out in the next couple of years.

 

My point is every year the NC QB is labeled the next generational talent that is a lock to transform a franchise.  Everyone is instantly caught up in the moment.

Well if that’s the criteria  I sure hope the next cant miss prospect is Newman in 2020