Falcons Fan MVP Posted January 10, 2020 Author Share Posted January 10, 2020 1 hour ago, FalconFanSince1970 said: I’d cut Free and Ito, re-sign Hill and Barner, then draft a real speed demon like McFarland. Kutty ain’t gonna run the ball much though. I wonder what Koetter would do with Adrian Peterson in his prime. Lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falcons Fan MVP Posted January 10, 2020 Author Share Posted January 10, 2020 2 hours ago, k-train said: Why did you make this thread twice? Must have been a while back. Things change. Just a month ago it looked like Arthur Blank was going to clean house until Chris Lindstrom saved the day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papachaz Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 2 hours ago, k-train said: I feel like Hill has developed nicely into a solid backup. Don't think he would do anything special w/ the lion's share of the carries, but as a reserve he brings some nice things to the party. Could be like a faster Jason Snelling for us. I'm hopeful for Ollison, but am far from convinced he's "the power back we need." I feel like too many folks here are giving him a pass just because of his size. Everyone got so wrapped up in the idea of getting a bigger back that they seemed to not care whether that big back was actually any good or not. So far, his vision looks absolutely terrible. I fully understand that it's hard to gauge anything from his numbers since he was mostly getting goal line carries, but still... that 2.3 YPC isn't pretty. To my eyes, he never really looked particularly punishing or powerful, but like I said, I'm hopeful he'll improve in year two. how does anyone expect Ollison to improve his areas of need when he spent all that time riding the pine. Let the man get snaps and get used to the speed of the pro game Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gtech1 Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 These are just a bunch of guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hokies&Falcons Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 That group doesn't inspire much confidence for me. I'm going to beat the Spencer Ware drum again, if he's healthy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tmodel66 Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 I feel like they will help us maintain our recent tradition of finishing near the bottom of the NFL in rushing. We need to improve our line, draft a RB (there are some good ones in this draft) and make a commitment to running in our play-calling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFatboi Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 Needs to be Freeman/Hill/Ito/Ollison and Barner comes back as returner again. Ergo Proxy, raysnill1, Vandy and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconJim Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 Hill, Ollison, with Barner as return man! The others can kick rocks!!! But we'd have to draft a RB later on in the draft to make that work, unless we could find one for cheap in FA. Just not impressed with Freeman's cloud o' dust, and a 2 yd. loss. And Ito is just too small, and lately, injury prone --- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vandy Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 On 1/10/2020 at 7:45 PM, TheFatboi said: Needs to be Freeman/Hill/Ito/Ollison and Barner comes back as returner again. You & I are apparently the only ones not sure Freeman’s gone. raysnill1, HouseofEuphoria, falconsd56 and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFatboi Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 8 minutes ago, Vandy said: You & I are the only ones not sure Freeman’s gone. Yea I don’t see it yet brother. Vandy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raysnill1 Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 4 hours ago, Falcons Fan MVP said: I wonder what Koetter would do with Adrian Peterson in his prime. Lol probably what he did with Fred Taylor and Maurice Jones-Drew. five consecutive years of 1000 yard rushers as OC in Jacksonville. that doesn't fit your narrative though I'm guessing HouseofEuphoria 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconFanSince1969 Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 33 minutes ago, Vandy said: You & I are the only ones not sure Freeman’s gone. Hi Vandy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falcons Fan MVP Posted January 11, 2020 Author Share Posted January 11, 2020 34 minutes ago, raysnill1 said: probably what he did with Fred Taylor and Maurice Jones-Drew. five consecutive years of 1000 yard rushers as OC in Jacksonville. that does fit your narrative though I'm guessing I didn't know that! That's encouraging! Maybe Koetter has just had bad luck with having a healthy, solid running back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconFanSince1969 Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 10 minutes ago, Falcons Fan MVP said: I didn't know that! That's encouraging! Maybe Koetter has just had bad luck with having a healthy, solid running back. He's been backed up by the 21st ranked defense on average through out his career as well Ergo Proxy, Falcons Fan MVP, falconsd56 and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falcons Fan MVP Posted January 11, 2020 Author Share Posted January 11, 2020 1 hour ago, Vandy said: You & I are the only ones not sure Freeman’s gone. I'm a they'd love to keep him. Just not sure if they can afford him. Vandy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falcons Fan MVP Posted January 11, 2020 Author Share Posted January 11, 2020 5 minutes ago, FalconFanSince1969 said: He's been backed up by the 21st ranked defense on average through out his career as well Hopefully he can stick it to all his doubters next season. I think everyone thinks just because he's older he doesn't know how to adapt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raysnill1 Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 6 minutes ago, FalconFanSince1969 said: He's been backed up by the 21st ranked defense on average through out his career as well Also, if you go from David Garrard, Luke McCown & Blaine Gabbert to Matt Ryan; you'd probably wanna take the new toy out for a spin lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GATXBOI Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 IMO you add a Swift Taylor or Dobbins then okay... Maybe a Akers no Etienne. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
k-train Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 6 hours ago, Falcons Fan MVP said: Must have been a while back. Things change. Just a month ago it looked like Arthur Blank was going to clean house until Chris Lindstrom saved the day. No, when I posted the question it was because this exact thread was showing up twice... like a duplicate or something. There were literally 2 word-for-word identical threads by you showing up on the first page. One had like 5 responses at the time & the other had a few more, so I just thought it was odd. I'm guessing the mods saw what I was talking about & merged the two into one thread. Falcons Fan MVP 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
k-train Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 6 hours ago, papachaz said: how does anyone expect Ollison to improve his areas of need when he spent all that time riding the pine. Let the man get snaps and get used to the speed of the pro game Well yeah... that's why I specifically mentioned it's very hard to gauge anything with him because he's only gotten a handful of goal line carries. papachaz 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthGaBoy Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 12 hours ago, k-train said: Well yeah... that's why I specifically mentioned it's very hard to gauge anything with him because he's only gotten a handful of goal line carries. That is just it. Why would you not rotate between a scatback, a thumper, and a power back? This is what gives defenses a rough time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Draftnut57 Posted January 12, 2020 Share Posted January 12, 2020 On 1/10/2020 at 3:35 PM, NWFALCON said: I’d like to see Hill get a good bit of carries. He’s 6’1 almost 220 pounds and has improved his catching ability. if we can sign him up for cheap, I’m all for it. If not then let’s grab Najee Harris and just pound people and use Ito as a change of pace guy. Now this fan gets it... Hill is very underrated,, if they'll give him a try starting ,, Hes been preparing for this for a few years.. He can get it done. Case closed .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Draftnut57 Posted January 12, 2020 Share Posted January 12, 2020 On 1/10/2020 at 3:56 PM, k-train said: I feel like Hill has developed nicely into a solid backup. Don't think he would do anything special w/ the lion's share of the carries, but as a reserve he brings some nice things to the party. Could be like a faster Jason Snelling for us. I'm hopeful for Ollison, but am far from convinced he's "the power back we need." I feel like too many folks here are giving him a pass just because of his size. Everyone got so wrapped up in the idea of getting a bigger back that they seemed to not care whether that big back was actually any good or not. So far, his vision looks absolutely terrible. I fully understand that it's hard to gauge anything from his numbers since he was mostly getting goal line carries, but still... that 2.3 YPC isn't pretty. To my eyes, he never really looked particularly punishing or powerful, but like I said, I'm hopeful he'll improve in year two. Ito Smith never did enough when he has been healthy to make me think he's ever gonna be anything more that a backup. Sure, I suppose he could a offer similar skillset & serve as a poor man's Freeman to an extent... but is that even the kind of back Koetter wants/needs for his scheme? I think if we cut Free there's probably more to it than just financial ramifications. It'd likely also have to do with wanting to feature a different style of RB moving forward. So I would think there'd be very little reason to keep Ito around if you're getting rid of Freeman, as neither would really be a fit for what the team would be doing. Barner is maybe worth keeping due to return abilities (which means he'd be active every week & thus can be an emergency backup). That said, what he offers outside of return duties is minimal & for the big plays he made as a return specialist, he also made plenty of head scratching decisions... some of which were nearly disastrous, and not things a guy with his experience should be doing at this point. I don't think he outright should be awarded a spot, and should have to again beat out competition to earn that spot on the roster. Thanks for your thoughts ,, Saved me a lot of typing ,, Because this is just about exactly how I feel about our backs also.. I know I'm Hill's biggest fan .. But he has given me more reason to be every time he gets a chance to run the ball. I say they should saddle him up and ride him for at least a half of a game.. Ratchet it up with him and see what he can do when he is the starter.. I believer he can be a very good starter, And don't think we have seen his best play yet simply because they haven't given him a whole game to play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falconsd56 Posted January 12, 2020 Share Posted January 12, 2020 On 1/10/2020 at 1:32 PM, ya_boi_j said: Good with it. Not freaking out like the panic squad All have shown some sort of ability and all bring something different and with some better blocking it could be a nice RBBC . We would just be missing that super speed home run threat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falconsd56 Posted January 12, 2020 Share Posted January 12, 2020 23 hours ago, Vandy said: You & I are the only ones not sure Freeman’s gone. I'm not sure that he is gone either. I think that he is but I would not bet against him coming back. When you look at his final numbers....he had over 1,000 yards from scrimmage and 6 total TD's in what 13 games?.....that is not bad at all. If they can rework the contract and free (no pun intended) up some money then he stays IMO. I Falcons Fan MVP, Vandy and Ergo Proxy 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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