Hawks in talks with Pistons for Drummond

[DonDaLuvMaker]

Just saw it on my ESPN app alert.

[coryb78]

Wonder what it will take to get him.  If John Collins is involved I am not sure I want to do it. 

[tl;dr]

Posted in another thread, but unless this comes with an extension, this trade makes absolutely no sense. He is a free agent in July 

[FalconsIn2012]

Yup.  It’s about a done deal.  I called this one a month ago

[DonDaLuvMaker]

41 minutes ago, tl;dr said:

Posted in another thread, but unless this comes with an extension, this trade makes absolutely no sense. He is a free agent in July 

 

Did realize it was posted in another thread until now.

 

I apologize.

[DonDaLuvMaker]

2 hours ago, coryb78 said:

Wonder what it will take to get him.  If John Collins is involved I am not sure I want to do it. 

 

From what I've seen on the internet so far it's the Hawks offering the 2020 1st round pick from the Nets and some expiring contracts to the Pistons.

[FalconsIn2012]

59 minutes ago, tl;dr said:

Posted in another thread, but unless this comes with an extension, this trade makes absolutely no sense. He is a free agent in July 

This shows the first signs of a FO losing patience.  This will be done more to appease Trae than snything else.

I like Trae in Atlanta next to Collins, though.

[Spts1]

Sign and trade. Enough with the drafting unproven talent.  They  have cap space and assets.  They will use them...

[tl;dr]

36 minutes ago, DawnOfThemBirds said:

 

Did realize it was posted in another thread until now.

 

I apologize.

Oh it’s not on you lol. I was reiterating a point someone else had made about Drummond in this thread 

[tl;dr]

31 minutes ago, DawnOfThemBirds said:

 

From what I've seen on the internet so far it's the Hawks offering the 2020 1st round pick from the Nets and some expiring contracts to the Pistons.

I hope that pick is protected and if it’s not, we better be getting an extension done ASAP 

[tl;dr]

20 minutes ago, FalconsIn2012 said:

This shows the first signs of a FO losing patience.  This will be done more to appease Trae than snything else.

I like Trae in Atlanta next to Collins, though.

I don’t want us to be reckless though. Drummond would be cool, but trading a potential top 5 pick and other talent for a 3/4 month rental just isn’t wise 

[GEORGIAfan]

2 minutes ago, tl;dr said:

I hope that pick is protected and if it’s not, we better be getting an extension done ASAP 

Brad said in his emergency podcast that we wouldn't be able to extend him before free agency. At best we could get a wink wink style deal, but of course, that means nothing if Drummond changes his mind. 

[Beef]

4 minutes ago, tl;dr said:

I hope that pick is protected and if it’s not, we better be getting an extension done ASAP 

Yeah, I believe the Nets pick is protected, but I can't remember how much.

Top 5? 10? Full lottery?

It's one of those, just can't remember which.

Even still, to give that away for a 4 month rental on Drummond would suck and be stupid.  So if this happens, there better be some kind of guarantee he is extending with us.

[FalconsIn2012]

7 minutes ago, tl;dr said:

I don’t want us to be reckless though. Drummond would be cool, but trading a potential top 5 pick and other talent for a 3/4 month rental just isn’t wise 

It’s lottery protected so the pick is a mid round selection

[tl;dr]

11 minutes ago, GEORGIAfan said:

Brad said in his emergency podcast that we wouldn't be able to extend him before free agency. At best we could get a wink wink style deal, but of course, that means nothing if Drummond changes his mind. 

Yeah I don't like the whole wink wink style thing because people do change their minds. Don't do it guys!!!

 

10 minutes ago, FalconsIn2012 said:

It’s lottery protected so the pick is a mid round selection

11 minutes ago, Beef said:

Yeah, I believe the Nets pick is protected, but I can't remember how much.

Top 5? 10? Full lottery?

It's one of those, just can't remember which.

Even still, to give that away for a 4 month rental on Drummond would suck and be stupid.  So if this happens, there better be some kind of guarantee he is extending with us.

Ahhhhh this makes sense. I thought we were giving up our pick and I was going to be upset about it. The Nets pick makes a lot more sense 

[therawest]

16 minutes ago, tl;dr said:

Yeah I don't like the whole wink wink style thing because people do change their minds. Don't do it guys!!!

 

Ahhhhh this makes sense. I thought we were giving up our pick and I was going to be upset about it. The Nets pick makes a lot more sense 

They may not be able to agree on a an extension, but they can agree that he opts in for next year. I think a year and a half would be great for the development of young players while we improve our win totals. 

[jayu70]

Parsons and the Brooklyn 2020 1st (lottery protected for 3 years, then 2 2nds) is the rumor. I'm not trading a 1st for a guy for 5 months, he would at least have to opt into in 2020-21 option.

 

Here's some info from the guy who knows a guy within the Hawks:

1. Detroit is NOT selling. They want value for all of their players and assets from what I was told. 

2. Drummond is NOT getting traded for a fact, but he is currently back on the market. 

3. The marketplace hasn't changed any. His value is still two 2nds. What is appealing about Atlanta for DET is the willingness to take on 2020-21 salary without asking for an asset in return. He said, right now, Atlanta is the only team with an offer on the table for Drummond. Dallas is interested as are several others like Boston but all of them simply lack of all of what DET needs. He said, Atlanta cap flexibility is appealing to DET. 

4. He said Gores wants to keep Rose and most his current vets but will trade for value as they perceive. 

5. Said he thinks Drummond will be traded to Atlanta. Doesn't know what DET will get but thinks Morris and Snell will be added to the deal as well. He says DET wants more cap flexibility but they aren't rebuilding. Just retooling. They are still building around Griffin, Rose, Sekou, and Kennard. 

6. He said Atlanta hasn't been open to trading what they consider key assets. Their 1sts this year or young recently drafted players. While he said he doesn't know if Atlanta would move them, he said those pieces have been off-limit so far. 

Edited January 4, 2020 by jayu70

[coryb78]

3 hours ago, DawnOfThemBirds said:

 

From what I've seen on the internet so far it's the Hawks offering the 2020 1st round pick from the Nets and some expiring contracts to the Pistons.

Oh well in that case.....who do I need to help get packed?

[therawest]

1 hour ago, jayu70 said:

Parsons and the Brooklyn 2020 1st (lottery protected for 3 years, then 2 2nds) is the rumor. I'm not trading a 1st for a guy for 5 months, he would at least have to opt into in 2020-21 option.

 

Here's some info from the guy who knows a guy within the Hawks:

1. Detroit is NOT selling. They want value for all of their players and assets from what I was told. 

2. Drummond is NOT getting traded for a fact, but he is currently back on the market. 

3. The marketplace hasn't changed any. His value is still two 2nds. What is appealing about Atlanta for DET is the willingness to take on 2020-21 salary without asking for an asset in return. He said, right now, Atlanta is the only team with an offer on the table for Drummond. Dallas is interested as are several others like Boston but all of them simply lack of all of what DET needs. He said, Atlanta cap flexibility is appealing to DET. 

4. He said Gores wants to keep Rose and most his current vets but will trade for value as they perceive. 

5. Said he thinks Drummond will be traded to Atlanta. Doesn't know what DET will get but thinks Morris and Snell will be added to the deal as well. He says DET wants more cap flexibility but they aren't rebuilding. Just retooling. They are still building around Griffin, Rose, Sekou, and Kennard. 

6. He said Atlanta hasn't been open to trading what they consider key assets. Their 1sts this year or young recently drafted players. While he said he doesn't know if Atlanta would move them, he said those pieces have been off-limit so far. 

This is solid info. Bruno would have been held out this game if Collins didn't get hurt. I wonder if he is part of the deal.  

[blkbigdog35]

1 hour ago, jayu70 said:

Parsons and the Brooklyn 2020 1st (lottery protected for 3 years, then 2 2nds) is the rumor. I'm not trading a 1st for a guy for 5 months, he would at least have to opt into in 2020-21 option.

 

Here's some info from the guy who knows a guy within the Hawks:

1. Detroit is NOT selling. They want value for all of their players and assets from what I was told. 

2. Drummond is NOT getting traded for a fact, but he is currently back on the market. 

3. The marketplace hasn't changed any. His value is still two 2nds. What is appealing about Atlanta for DET is the willingness to take on 2020-21 salary without asking for an asset in return. He said, right now, Atlanta is the only team with an offer on the table for Drummond. Dallas is interested as are several others like Boston but all of them simply lack of all of what DET needs. He said, Atlanta cap flexibility is appealing to DET. 

4. He said Gores wants to keep Rose and most his current vets but will trade for value as they perceive. 

5. Said he thinks Drummond will be traded to Atlanta. Doesn't know what DET will get but thinks Morris and Snell will be added to the deal as well. He says DET wants more cap flexibility but they aren't rebuilding. Just retooling. They are still building around Griffin, Rose, Sekou, and Kennard. 

6. He said Atlanta hasn't been open to trading what they consider key assets. Their 1sts this year or young recently drafted players. While he said he doesn't know if Atlanta would move them, he said those pieces have been off-limit so far. 

This makes a lot of sense and I would be cool with considering the young core is off limits as well as 1st rd picks.

[FalconsIn2012]

13 hours ago, jayu70 said:

Parsons and the Brooklyn 2020 1st (lottery protected for 3 years, then 2 2nds) is the rumor. I'm not trading a 1st for a guy for 5 months, he would at least have to opt into in 2020-21 option.

 

Here's some info from the guy who knows a guy within the Hawks:

1. Detroit is NOT selling. They want value for all of their players and assets from what I was told. 

2. Drummond is NOT getting traded for a fact, but he is currently back on the market. 

3. The marketplace hasn't changed any. His value is still two 2nds. What is appealing about Atlanta for DET is the willingness to take on 2020-21 salary without asking for an asset in return. He said, right now, Atlanta is the only team with an offer on the table for Drummond. Dallas is interested as are several others like Boston but all of them simply lack of all of what DET needs. He said, Atlanta cap flexibility is appealing to DET. 

4. He said Gores wants to keep Rose and most his current vets but will trade for value as they perceive. 

5. Said he thinks Drummond will be traded to Atlanta. Doesn't know what DET will get but thinks Morris and Snell will be added to the deal as well. He says DET wants more cap flexibility but they aren't rebuilding. Just retooling. They are still building around Griffin, Rose, Sekou, and Kennard. 

6. He said Atlanta hasn't been open to trading what they consider key assets. Their 1sts this year or young recently drafted players. While he said he doesn't know if Atlanta would move them, he said those pieces have been off-limit so far. 

As the trading deadline approaches, Detroit will change their tune.  If Drummond is for sure leaving next year, we may get him just for the CAP flexibility and two 2nd round picks

[therawest]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbssports.com/nba/news/celtics-hawks-reportedly-eyeing-trade-for-andre-drummond-whos-one-of-the-hardest-players-to-evaluate/amp/

 

[jayu70]

 

 

In the case of a trade with the Hawks, a few scenarios make sense and all accomplish the same thing. The expiring contract of Chandler Parsons, who is making $25 million this year, and the top-14-protected pick that Atlanta possesses from the Nets would suffice. It guarantees that Detroit will still have significant money coming off the books this summer while accumulating another draft pick in the process. Further, Parsons and Griffin are very good friends — not that it should factor in the minds of decision-makers.

Another deal that makes sense for the Pistons would be taking on the expiring contracts of Alex Len and Allen Crabbe, along with the aforementioned draft pick. Len and Crabbe, together, make roughly $23 million, which is $4 million short of Drummond’s $27 million annual salary. Again, that accomplishes the same goal of shedding money this summer while acquiring an asset.

Whether Detroit simply wants to separate from Drummond or to change the direction of the franchise in total, the Pistons are best off getting something in return rather than having the center walk this summer for nothing. That being the case, trading Drummond now makes sense at every turn for the Pistons.

The fact that the dialogue between Detroit and Atlanta has leaked all but ensures that Drummond will be traded before the deadline. It might not be to the Hawks, though that looks likely, but the spewing of the information publicly presents an uncomfortable dynamic for the Pistons and for Drummond if something isn’t finalized sooner rather than later.

 

 

[jayu70]

Some really good stuff here.

 

 

 

[GEORGIAfan]

2 hours ago, jayu70 said:

Some really good stuff here.

We have discussed much of it, but one topic that hasn't been talked about is how drummond hurts our flexibility in the next two FA periods. 2020 offseason and 2021 offseason are our only chances to make big FA moves with this current core. After that Collins new contract will be on the books and Trae will be getting his max deal. Huerter, Hunter, Reddish will also want their new deals.

I highly doubt once our young core starts making their money we will have the space to sign a big FA. At best we will have our MLE, picks, and Vet Mins to rely on.  

When people support getting drummond, you also need to support him taking 30% of our cap for the next 4-5 years and what that means. He will be opting out and expecting a max. He knows that he is not a modern big and that the league is leaving him behind.