Jeff Schultz notes - some good stuff in here Part 2

[falconfanEST1989]

1 minute ago, Realsurfin said:

What all that says is AB has been shown a snow job.  Same Falcons.  Too many chief's and not enough indians.  So basically that is a setup for another disaster yeah.  Ohhhhhhh AB is not going to put up with poor performance.  We wake up AB your doing just that.  So what?  How many games does coaching staff get next year?  Or do we just lose another season?  

GIVE ME A BREAK!  WHO IS KIDDING WHO.  WE STRUGGLED THAT LAST GAME.  MATT WAS SWARMED. Or was that just a bunch of group hugs with the Bucs. 

I dont count the win against the saints.... reason 1 it's a division match up, you throw the record book out the window..   reason 2 the next time we played we got stomped,  

Then we beat 4 cupcakes, shouldve lost to the SUcs and the niners.      We will be looking for a  ew GM and Coach next season....    I give quinn another 0-4 preason and this message board will be on fire

[Realsurfin]

1 minute ago, falconfanEST1989 said:

I dont count the win against the saints.... reason 1 it's a division match up, you throw the record book out the window..   reason 2 the next time we played we got stomped,  

Then we beat 4 cupcakes, shouldve lost to the SUcs and the niners.      We will be looking for a  ew GM and Coach next season....    I give quinn another 0-4 preason and this message board will be on fire

Yeah 0-4 preseason and folks will be saying DQ don't care cause he is evaluating and creating great plays... Haaaaaa and after the draft they will say we are the cats meow.... wash, rinse, repeat.  I hear this every year.  I called this year after I saw that pathetic preseason. And caught h€ll for it.

[JD dirtybird21]

34 minutes ago, Emmitt said:

I hear what you’re saying brother, but I think Jeff is alluding to the fact that it’s always the same group of guys acting as leaders. Hearing things from Matt and Julio would get stale after a while.

I haven’t seen his name mentioned, but I think the front office and coaching staff expected Debo to step into more of a leadership role than he has. I’m not down on Debo, but I missed seeing some of his fire from previous seasons.

Good point. And you’re right 

[Atl Falcon]

8 hours ago, KRUNKuno said:

My biggest issue with this whole “continuity” thing is that, just as Shultz infers, if another poor start occurs then blank will more than likely end Quinn’s tenure here.

That is the total opposite of continuity.  Blank kept speaking of “history” showing success the longer you keep a coach around.  But all that alleged continuity that Blank covets will be thrown out the window with another lackluster season.

Makes no sense.

If.....we just got to wait and see

[Francis York Morgan]

13 hours ago, Emmitt said:

I hear what you’re saying brother, but I think Jeff is alluding to the fact that it’s always the same group of guys acting as leaders. Hearing things from Matt and Julio would get stale after a while.

I haven’t seen his name mentioned, but I think the front office and coaching staff expected Debo to step into more of a leadership role than he has. I’m not down on Debo, but I missed seeing some of his fire from previous seasons.

I think this is totally right - to a point. Debo wasn't stepping into a leadership role at the beginning, as he's always been a "lead by example" guy, and I did think it hurt the team.

That said, I read that he was one of the guys organizing and leading the player meetings over the bye week and it seems like he's really coming into his own in that regard. This season may have been a blessing in disguise for some of our younger players. Still annoyed that we haven't went after more veterans to help the young squad though.

[KRUNKuno]

2 hours ago, TheFatboi said:

It makes plenty of sense. You have to give it some time. If it’s doesn’t work after given effort you have to cut bate. Like Dallas did with Garrett. He had multiple chances and it never got better. Saints had three 7-9 seasons. Payton was retained and now they’re good again. Steelers only had 3 HC’s my entire life. All won SB’s. All had bad/down seasons but were retained. You HAVE to have continuity. I said weeks ago quinn should come back. 2 bad seasons shouldn’t be a firing. I’ve been preaching the same thing blank said before he said it. Now he said it. You HAVE Yo five things time to be great. The other thing is quinn has to let continuity grow within his coaching staff as well. Replacing coordinators every 2 years Is the same as if you fire a HC after only 2 bad seasons. You gotta let something stay the f*ck in place until it gets right. If it doesn’t get right after 3 bad seasons let it go. 

Conditional continuity is blasphemous.  I’d rather Blank be real and stop talking as if he won’t blow this thing up if we start slowly again.  I highly doubt Quinn makes it through another sluggish start.

[Ergo Proxy]

Let's face it...guys get paid when they reach the NFL. They don't have to fight for their dream anymore; it's theirs. The foundation can easily become a slippery slope. Dudes walk around with massive egos; and seemingly more fragile ones than in years past; when you still had a DUTY to the team?

Yeah, I could maybe put my heart and effort into winning the SB...but I got my million(s)...etc.

Guys take it for granted; especially if there is success early in their career. It's not just the ones that flake out from bad behavior off the field.

If you don't have in-house social dynamic that gets a locker room to buy in; day in and day out, it won't show up on Sundays because the work isn't put in to PUSH yourself to be that consistent. That's Belichick's way in a nutshell. You won't outwork his machine. If a piece don't fit? They are gone or he'll make a new piece/shift his strategy when necessary.

It works because he has the brains and stability to manage it all with the infrastructure; hence "continuity"...

Problem is just like players wanting pay days vs winning...becoming something or thinking they are something...there simply isn't enough team happening. Hence the "brotherhood" speeches mid-season and certain players walking out of the locker room (or w/e happened)...

DQ is a little too player friendly and built a setup that lets guys relax/reach a higher level, but to get there has greater obstacles since 1 or 2 guys might not be on point or their head is in the clouds. You need the veterans to not only own their stuff but then catch the issues from their position group for the coaches?

Just seems...fake or going through the motions is built in to life as a "pro"...where you don't have to win. There isn't enough respect for teammates, coaches, and team to buy in consistently.

And, the dumb part? You can get it with Quinn. It's hard to keep it and when Belichick's don't grow on trees...and so you got brainy coordinators focused on chess matches with Xs/Os...notice how those guys leave Bill and flake as HCs?

A stable system matters but how you get the players performing on Sunday has to be dissected so as to actually reach consistency...otherwise without boy wonders; Kyle Shanahan's that is, you won't have a demanding coordinator able to get the details drilled into his particular unit. THAT is why Kyle is so successful..it's not just the system. It's all the details into it. McDaniel managing the run game...Matt LaFleur used to be QB coach and Mike LaFleur pass game coordinator...it's delegated to drill in the nuances. Hence, his control of his system brings out the details...

where were those details before Morris switched from WR coach to DBs middle of the season?

Who is gonna help fix the run game on offense? etc.

Because, without better Xs/Os and assignments down to just how a coach wants it done right? You gonna keep having dudes check out and let the whole unit down...

[MAD597]

9 hours ago, Boise Falcon Fan said:

True, but there have been many of us that have said TD is not the problem.

He's a part of the problem, just look at both lines over the last 12 years.

[gazoo]

8 hours ago, FentayeJones said:

There could be some merit to some of this but I wouldnt take everything Schultz says as the gospel truth. He also seem to always has some kind of axe to grind. 

Him and Bradley were brutal on the Falcons for decades with axes constantly grinding, no doubt,  but he’s been much better since joining The Athletic. I actually like his reporting now.  He’s a really nice guy in person. 

[quotemokc]

Honestly we are in good shape, take a look at the current state of the Panthers and how miserable their players currently are.

 

 

[etherdome]

Complacency is the most concerning thing I read.  

A truly competitive person is never satisfied with the status quo.  This team is full of players that do not score high in competitiveness.  They can pound their chests and create all the slogans in the world, but when it comes to really doing what it takes to win championships, this team does not have it.  

I find it funny that the "players have learned their lesson".  I am sorry, but if you are an adult and you still have not developed a highly competitive nature, you never will.  

The culture of complacency begins with the coaching staff.  Our guys saw a glimmer of success at the tail end of the 2018 season and they basically mailed in their effort for this season. 

I do not have faith in Dan Quinn and his crew.  I think it was a mistake to retain him.  I hope I am wrong, but I foresee a franchise stuck in mediocrity. 

[Xfactor]

Wow just wow

[1989Fan]

10 hours ago, falconfanEST1989 said:

I dont count the win against the saints.... reason 1 it's a division match up, you throw the record book out the window..   reason 2 the next time we played we got stomped,  

Then we beat 4 cupcakes, shouldve lost to the SUcs and the niners.      We will be looking for a  ew GM and Coach next season....    I give quinn another 0-4 preason and this message board will be on fire

You don’t count the Saints win...so you would surely not count the Saints loss for the same reason.

[Hashbrown3]

10 hours ago, Schwarzwald said:

and when Belichick's don't grow on trees...and so you got brainy coordinators focused on chess matches with Xs/Os...notice how those guys leave Bill and flake as HCs?

Belichick himself is a brainy guy as well. He’s a relentless, tireless, blue collar type of worker who expects the same dedication & commitment from his staff & players.  
He spends nights in his office watching film on how to eliminate strengths & capitalize on his opponents weaknesses. He’s basically a coordinator & HC in one package.  Unfortunately DQ was unable to function effectively in that same capacity.

BB too had to pay his dues & learn his trade with OJT.  Nobody is born great.  And you must surround yourself with capable personnel people, scouts, coaches & players etc. Not to mention the right GM & Owner who are willing to help you execute your plan.  It been a perfect storm in NE whose success may never be duplicated again in the future. 

[JOEinPHX]

21 hours ago, The Don™ said:

• Said TD admitted to him that they got comfortable and lackadaisical after the '12 season. Same thing happened among the players after the '16 season.

 

That's just TD doing a passive-aggressive blame shift.  He might have said 'they' or 'we', but he meant everyone except himself.  What really happened after the 2012 season was a slew of roster changes, not for the better, and a slew of injuries, with certain position groups decimated.  TD might have passively placed himself among those responsible - he couldn't really dodge it, could he - but his goal was always self preservation.

[The Don™]

20 minutes ago, JOEinPHX said:

That's just TD doing a passive-aggressive blame shift.  He might have said 'they' or 'we', but he meant everyone except himself.  What really happened after the 2012 season was a slew of roster changes, not for the better, and a slew of injuries, with certain position groups decimated.  TD might have passively placed himself among those responsible - he couldn't really dodge it, could he - but his goal was always self preservation.

The main thing is everybody including Smitty, the players and TD got complacent and assumed they would be back in the playoff hunt in '13. Smitty admitted himself that happened in '13. Once again, same thing happened after '16. Devondre Campbell alluded to it after that embarrassing Browns game in '18 when he outrighted admitted that "it's just the Browns" and didn't take them serious while preparing for the game during the week.

Until the right mentality of "we're never good enough and can always improve" is part of the cultural norm in Flowery Branch, we're going to see the same thing over and over again. 

[JOEinPHX]

56 minutes ago, The Don™ said:

The main thing is everybody including Smitty, the players and TD got complacent and assumed they would be back in the playoff hunt in '13. Smitty admitted himself that happened in '13. Once again, same thing happened after '16. Devondre Campbell alluded to it after that embarrassing Browns game in '18 when he outrighted admitted that "it's just the Browns" and didn't take them serious while preparing for the game during the week.

Until the right mentality of "we're never good enough and can always improve" is part of the cultural norm in Flowery Branch, we're going to see the same thing over and over again. 

I agree completely.  I would only point out that Smitty's reasons for admitting complacency and TD's are polar opposites.  Smitty always was and always will be a team player.  TD, not so much.