kiwifalcon Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 dardan, Ergo Proxy, dawgsfan426 and 22 others 25 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Narcaguga Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 Yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FentayeJones Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 kiwifalcon, raysnill1, TheTrue7 and 9 others 12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
me4falcons Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 I like this on so many levels and I am old enough to have watch his entire career. SkerFalcon8710, Ergo Proxy and Wardog357 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boise Falcon Fan Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 I love JJ, but Rice was the best. Everyone knew he was getting the ball, and he still torched everybody. Not to mention, defenses could hit WR's back then. Geneaut and Charles Wright 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LouDog Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 4 minutes ago, Boise Falcon Fan said: I love JJ, but Rice was the best. Everyone knew he was getting the ball, and he still torched everybody. Not to mention, defenses could hit WR's back then. Yeah but Julio's career isnt over yet. May be a lot closer of a comparison by the time it is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boise Falcon Fan Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 Just now, LouDog said: Yeah but Julio's career isnt over yet. May be a lot closer of a comparison by the time it is It's not though. The other place that JR has over JJ is TD's. JJ's TD production is terrible. JR was the greatest. ukfalc, Chitown2ATL_Falcon and Charles Wright 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unchained Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 1 minute ago, Boise Falcon Fan said: The other place that JR has over JJ is TD's. JJ's TD production is terrible. This ^^^ How can you be the greatest when you can’t get open to get TD catches. At the least, he should be getting jump ball 50/50 balls in the end zone, if not getting complete separation most of the time.... He may be the best between the 20s, but he’s not that great in the red zone. GeorgiaBoyz, Chitown2ATL_Falcon, Boise Falcon Fan and 3 others 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geneaut Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 15 minutes ago, Skott Lee said: This ^^^ How can you be the greatest when you can’t get open to get TD catches. At the least, he should be getting jump ball 50/50 balls in the end zone, if not getting complete separation most of the time.... He may be the best between the 20s, but he’s not that great in the red zone. Some of that is on Matt. I love Ice but his work in the RZ is a weak side to his game. Chitown2ATL_Falcon, Atl Falcon, ⚡Slumerican⚡ and 7 others 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LouDog Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 6 minutes ago, WhenFalconsWin said: Been fun watching Julio. He would have so much more to see if Ice could throw the deep ball. Did you really just say that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boise Falcon Fan Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 5 minutes ago, LouDog said: Did you really just say that? He's 100% right. Love MR, but his deep balls are generally terrible. Moonshots that allow the defender to catch up. raysnill1, Nino11, MoFalconsFan56 and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LouDog Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 1 minute ago, Boise Falcon Fan said: He's 100% right. Love MR, but his deep balls are generally terrible. Moonshots that allow the defender to catch up. When he is able to step into his throws his deepballs are fine. That just doesn't happen often MoFalconsFan56, sandtrap and Rhodaric 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boise Falcon Fan Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 9 minutes ago, LouDog said: When he is able to step into his throws his deepballs are fine. That just doesn't happen often I disagree. He is just not a good deep ball thrower. ⚡Slumerican⚡ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lethal Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 1 hour ago, Boise Falcon Fan said: He's 100% right. Love MR, but his deep balls are generally terrible. Moonshots that allow the defender to catch up. That's not entirely accurate. His deep ball struggles, which he does have, seem to be isolated to only Julio. He seemingly hits the Marvin Hall's and Christian Blake's of the world just fine...for whatever reason he just can't get it under Julio. I will never understand that. Nino11, PokerSteve, Butudontseeme™ and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NOVAFalconFan Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 14 minutes ago, athell said: That's not entirely accurate. His deep ball struggles, which he does have, seem to be isolated to only Julio. He seemingly hits the Marvin Hall's and Christian Blake's of the world just fine...for whatever reason he just can't get it under Julio. I will never understand that. The best deep ball of Matt Ryan’s career was a gamewinner thrown at a dead sprint for his life in week 9 or 10 of 2012 that Roddy lost against the Superdome ceiling and couldn’t catch. PokerSteve, Lethal and IamFRESCO1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NOVAFalconFan Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 17 minutes ago, athell said: That's not entirely accurate. His deep ball struggles, which he does have, seem to be isolated to only Julio. He seemingly hits the Marvin Hall's and Christian Blake's of the world just fine...for whatever reason he just can't get it under Julio. I will never understand that. Julio may just be enough faster than those guys that he outruns it. PokerSteve and Lethal 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boise Falcon Fan Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 21 minutes ago, athell said: That's not entirely accurate. His deep ball struggles, which he does have, seem to be isolated to only Julio. He seemingly hits the Marvin Hall's and Christian Blake's of the world just fine...for whatever reason he just can't get it under Julio. I will never understand that. He's is bad on deep balls more often then he is good. It's actually quite disappointing. Many missed opportunities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ki46dinah Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 2 hours ago, Boise Falcon Fan said: I love JJ, but Rice was the best. Everyone knew he was getting the ball, and he still torched everybody. Not to mention, defenses could hit WR's back then. Rice is the best widedout of all time for so many reasons. Carter had the best hands of any top wideout in history. Tim Brown was a pure model of consistency...I liken him to Eric Moulds. Larry Fitz is the 2nd best wideout in NFL history imo. Julio is number 3 all time...faster but not stronger than Fitz, Fitz has him in the hands and consistency department. Charles Wright 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lethal Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 Just now, Boise Falcon Fan said: He's is bad on deep balls more often then he is good. It's actually quite disappointing. Many missed opportunities. I mean, it's not really accurate but if you say so. Here is ranked 3rd overall... https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2019/2018-19-deep-ball-project Here is is ranked 5th overall... https://sportsinfosolutionsblog.com/2019/11/06/which-quarterbacks-are-best-at-throwing-long-passes/ The Precision Passers The table below will show which passers have been the most accurate on passes that travel at least 20 yards down the field. Catchable Percentage looks at the percentage of passes that should be caught by the receiver based on where the pass is placed. Here are the season leaders in Catchable Percentage on deep balls so far during 2019 (minimum 15 attempts): Quarterback Catchable % Jacoby Brissett 74% Jimmy Garoppolo 70% Kirk Cousins 65% Daniel Jones 63% Matt Ryan 62% Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconsIn2012 Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 2 hours ago, Boise Falcon Fan said: It's not though. The other place that JR has over JJ is TD's. JJ's TD production is terrible. JR was the greatest. Either y’all give Jerry too much respect or you don’t give Julio enough respect. If Both Receivers Were 9 Years Into Their Career, Who Is More Impressive: • Julio: 1,345 yards per season, 125 games played, 96.4 yards per game • Rice: 1,120 yards per season, 140 games played, 83.6 yards per game To put that into perspective: Julio has 1,600 more yards in a full season fewer games. Sure, Jerry has the TD’s, but that’s also a product of system. If Julio makes it to year 15, the narrative will change Butudontseeme™ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lethal Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 Again, he only really struggles to hit Julio in stride. He has already shown nice deep ball rapport with Ridley, and as mentioned has aired it out several times to the likes of Hall, Blake and the like... FalconsIn2012 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAD597 Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 JJ has an issue either getting in the endzone or catching endzone TDs. For the amount of targets and yards he gets his TD totals are way off from the other greats at WR. Chitown2ATL_Falcon and Boise Falcon Fan 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boise Falcon Fan Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 1 minute ago, FalconsIn2012 said: Either y’all give Jerry too much respect or you don’t give Julio enough respect. If Both Receivers Were 9 Years Into Their Career, Who Is More Impressive: • Julio: 1,345 yards per season, 125 games played, 96.4 yards per game • Rice: 1,120 yards per season, 140 games played, 83.6 parr’s per game To put that into perspective: Julio has 1,600 more yards in a full season fewer games. Sure, Jerry has the TD’s, but that’s also a product of system. JR was better, and you're not going to find many that say otherwise. You're saying JR had so many TD's because the system? Teams throw a lot more now than they used to. Unchained 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadyRef Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 2 hours ago, Skott Lee said: This ^^^ How can you be the greatest when you can’t get open to get TD catches. At the least, he should be getting jump ball 50/50 balls in the end zone, if not getting complete separation most of the time.... He may be the best between the 20s, but he’s not that great in the red zone. Look at the list of incompetent coordinators we've had. Also how many times a season do we see Matt and Julio fail to connect deep? I feel so bad for Julio and Matt wasting their prime years under koetter and sark. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boise Falcon Fan Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 3 minutes ago, athell said: I mean, it's not really accurate but if you say so. Here is ranked 3rd overall... https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2019/2018-19-deep-ball-project Here is is ranked 5th overall... https://sportsinfosolutionsblog.com/2019/11/06/which-quarterbacks-are-best-at-throwing-long-passes/ The Precision Passers The table below will show which passers have been the most accurate on passes that travel at least 20 yards down the field. Catchable Percentage looks at the percentage of passes that should be caught by the receiver based on where the pass is placed. Here are the season leaders in Catchable Percentage on deep balls so far during 2019 (minimum 15 attempts): Quarterback Catchable % Jacoby Brissett 74% Jimmy Garoppolo 70% Kirk Cousins 65% Daniel Jones 63% Matt Ryan 62% At least 20 yards down field? That's not the type of ball we were talking about. We're talking about the "moonshot" bombs that he throws. They are terrible!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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