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Would you do this trade with rumors kat wants out

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Minny trades - Kat wants out and supposedly minny wants out of wiggins contract.

Kat - legit superstar center the hawks need to attract more star players for the future and make trae and collins happy.
Wiggins - Helps minny reset their cap for rebuild and Wiggins has looked much improved starting to turn it around maybe he continues that here.

Hawks trade - WE finally try to build a complete team for the future and get a superstar through trade since we can never attain them in FA.

Hunter - Big loss here but KAT isn't going to be cheap at all.  We have Wiggins and Reddish to replace him at SF.
Crabbe - Salary match and expiring for minny for rebuild
Parsons - See crabbe above.
Bembry -  meh player is ok but at this point i think he is what he is and i think we can get better in FA to replace.  Gives minny another young rebuild piece.
ATL - 1st 2020
Brooklyn 1st - 2020
OKC 1st - Forgot year we have theirs lol

It gives the team this for the next few years with about 30 to 40 mil in cap space to add another upper tier player to or elite depth.

PG - Trae / ????
SG - Huerter / ???
SF - Wiggins / Reddish
PF - Collins / Parker(if we keep him)
C - Kat / Bruno

To me thats a team that can compete should make trae and collins happy and give them legit players surrounding them with talent while also having enough cap space to add 1 more max player or elite depth and keeping all of our future picks going forward.

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If they could swing that by exchanging Reddish instead of Hunter, I would go with that.  Either way, thats the type of deal that the Hawks NEED to make...

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I would consider it for Wiggins and KAT. I think Trae would only help Wiggins. 

I would probably prefer Reddish over Hunter, but hey, you gotta trade talent to get talent 

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Trust me i would rather keep hunter over reddish as well but we gotta be serious with ourselves here.  Hunter is a much more valuable piece in a trade to get a guy like Kat who is gonna cost a pretty penny for any trade partner.  Now with that said Reddish actually has the higher upside of him and hunter and it might turn out better for us in the end after a few years if Reddish reaches his peak.   Thanks for the replies though and im glad yall somewhat liked the idea of it.  Im with yall into thinking this is the type of move we need to make if were to be taken serious and want to attract future star players.   Trae and Collins are great but im not sure the youngins alone will be enough to make superstars come here without another proven one already here.

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If we are forced to take Wiggins and his contract there's a cost reduction to KAT's value IMO. No Wiggins for me.

For KAT alone: Hunter or Reddish (Minny's choice), ATL 2020 1st, BKN 2020 1st, ATL 2022 1st top 1 protected plus whichever matching salary expirings. (I'd offer to take Dieng whose contract expires in 2021 instead of Wiggins)

Edit: I think Minny may want Collins though.

 

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Andrew Wiggins signed a five-year deal with the Wolves In 2018 that will keep him under contract through 2023. His Base salaries, Per year $25.3 million in 2018-19, $27.3 million in 2019-20, $29.3 million in 2020-21, $31.3 million in 2021-22, and $33.3 million in 2022-23.  Not sure if Wiggins is worth that.  

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We would get left on read with that offer. Only way they are picking up the phone is if we are including Collins. Look at the PG or AD trade. there was a flagship guy in each trade. BI in AD and SGA in PG trade. Hunter isn't on that level yet. 

I don't think I would even make an offer unless we get a top 2 pick this year. I don't want to trade our future away for KAT. Clippers and Lakers are in win now mode. We aren't there yet. If we don't have a top pick, I think they are going to want 4+ first round picks/swaps. 

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57 minutes ago, GEORGIAfan said:

We would get left on read with that offer. Only way they are picking up the phone is if we are including Collins. Look at the PG or AD trade. there was a flagship guy in each trade. BI in AD and SGA in PG trade. Hunter isn't on that level yet. 

I don't think I would even make an offer unless we get a top 2 pick this year. I don't want to trade our future away for KAT. Clippers and Lakers are in win now mode. We aren't there yet. If we don't have a top pick, I think they are going to want 4+ first round picks/swaps. 

I think any kind of KAT trade, if it happens, will be in the offseason when Minny knows where a draft pick falls.

OKC  got Danilo Gallinari, Shai Gilgeous-Alexander and 5 1sts. You know why? OKC actually had leverage over Clippers since that trade request was a secret and they knew the Clipps would offer the farm since it meant getting Kawhi.  Take a look at the value of these picks:

L.A.C.'s unprotected first-round picks in 2022, 2024 and 2026, along with 2021 (unprotected) and 2023 (protected) first-round selections via the Miami Heat.

Those picks aren't likely to even be lottery picks. Maybe the 2026 pick when PG and Kawhi are 33 years, maybe.

With the AD trade, he was going to be a FA and walk from NOP. It helped that LAL got the #4 pick. And again the picks NOP are getting from LAL are not likely to be lottery picks.

I'm just saying that KAT and Minny's situations are different. Minny doesn't have the leverage that OKC vs LAC and Towns doesn't have the leverage that AD had since KAT is signed for 4 more years.

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Only thing ha worries me about that trade is defence.  Wiggins and Kat are not great defenders and likely the reason they are losing now. Add that to Trae and John and the defence gets worse.  We would have to outscore everyone and get a veteran defensive bench. 

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4 hours ago, jayu70 said:

I think any kind of KAT trade, if it happens, will be in the offseason when Minny knows where a draft pick falls.

OKC  got Danilo Gallinari, Shai Gilgeous-Alexander and 5 1sts. You know why? OKC actually had leverage over Clippers since that trade request was a secret and they knew the Clipps would offer the farm since it meant getting Kawhi.  Take a look at the value of these picks:

L.A.C.'s unprotected first-round picks in 2022, 2024 and 2026, along with 2021 (unprotected) and 2023 (protected) first-round selections via the Miami Heat.

Those picks aren't likely to even be lottery picks. Maybe the 2026 pick when PG and Kawhi are 33 years, maybe.

With the AD trade, he was going to be a FA and walk from NOP. It helped that LAL got the #4 pick. And again the picks NOP are getting from LAL are not likely to be lottery picks.

I'm just saying that KAT and Minny's situations are different. Minny doesn't have the leverage that OKC vs LAC and Towns doesn't have the leverage that AD had since KAT is signed for 4 more years.

Minny has the leverage of not trading him. There is nothing KAT can do, but sit and not play. Also if KAT is on the market, other teams will be bidding. Warriors are monitoring. Suns fans would happily give up Ayton+ more for KAT and Booker combo. 

We will have to beat those offers and Hunter as the centerpiece doesn't do that. 

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2 hours ago, GEORGIAfan said:

Minny has the leverage of not trading him. There is nothing KAT can do, but sit and not play. Also if KAT is on the market, other teams will be bidding. Warriors are monitoring. Suns fans would happily give up Ayton+ more for KAT and Booker combo. 

We will have to beat those offers and Hunter as the centerpiece doesn't do that. 

The Warriors like EVERY other team is monitoring, but what exactly does the Warriors have to offer besides their 2020 1st round pick that would entice Minny? Minny wants D-Lo to pair with KAT so I don't think they'd be interested in him without KAT. Besides D-Lo said he preferred the warmer GS climate that's why he agreed to the SnT.

The Suns can make a great offer with Ayton+

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25 minutes ago, jayu70 said:

The Warriors like EVERY other team is monitoring, but what exactly does the Warriors have to offer besides their 2020 1st round pick that would entice Minny? Minny wants D-Lo to pair with KAT so I don't think they'd be interested in him without KAT. Besides D-Lo said he preferred the warmer GS climate that's why he agreed to the SnT.

The Suns can make a great offer with Ayton+

DLo can be flipped himself. My point being that the Wolves are going to have better options than accepting Hunter + picks + filler for KAT. 

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If we could draft Wiseman or the Ant-Man with our first, would we trade that for KAT? I’m not sure I would for financial reasons and what not 

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7 minutes ago, tl;dr said:

If we could draft Wiseman or the Ant-Man with our first, would we trade that for KAT? I’m not sure I would for financial reasons and what not 

If we didn't have to lose Collins, Hunter, or Reddish, then yes. 

This may not be a popular opinion, by. I am not sold on wiseman or Edwards. Edwards is currently shooting worse from three than Cam Reddish. Wiseman has never played showed us what he could do in college. 

They are still the best players in the draft, but it seems like this is an extremely weak draft. 

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I am not a fan of this KAT/Wiggins idea and I just don’t think it fits with Schlenk’s philosophy and goals to build a team.

This roster projection looks better to me:

1/PG: Young | FA backup (maybe Jeff Teague?)

2/SG: Huerter | Reddish

3/SF: Hunter | draft Tyler Bey

4/PF: Collins | Fernando

5/C: draft Wiseman | Len | Jones

 

That would be insane rebounding and shot blocking potential. Hunter, Wiseman, Reddish, and Bey are all defensive gems.  Trae scoring and dishing to Collins and Wiseman would be incredible.  That would likely be a guaranteed 60 points a night from just those 3 guys.  Then Huerter, Hunter, Reddish, and Bey dropping 3’s in the wings/perimeter.  Should be another guaranteed 40.  Let Jones come off the bench to be an enforcer and just foul out every night. Move Fernando to the backup 4 where he should be, and Len coming off the bench like he is now and thriving in that role.

This just feels like what Schlenk is trying to do. All the cap space we hoarded can then be used to keep all these guys and this continuity together for the next decade.

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13 hours ago, GEORGIAfan said:

If we didn't have to lose Collins, Hunter, or Reddish, then yes. 

This may not be a popular opinion, by. I am not sold on wiseman or Edwards. Edwards is currently shooting worse from three than Cam Reddish. Wiseman has never played showed us what he could do in college. 

They are still the best players in the draft, but it seems like this is an extremely weak draft. 

I watched Edwards play a few days ago and looked at some tape on him.  I agree.  His game doesn't particularly jump out to me.  He is good but I don't see a clear seperation with his game which clearly makes him the number one pick...

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10 hours ago, Beef said:

I am not a fan of this KAT/Wiggins idea and I just don’t think it fits with Schlenk’s philosophy and goals to build a team.

This roster projection looks better to me:

1/PG: Young | FA backup (maybe Jeff Teague?)

2/SG: Huerter | Reddish

3/SF: Hunter | draft Tyler Bey

4/PF: Collins | Fernando

5/C: draft Wiseman | Len | Jones

 

That would be insane rebounding and shot blocking potential. Hunter, Wiseman, Reddish, and Bey are all defensive gems.  Trae scoring and dishing to Collins and Wiseman would be incredible.  That would likely be a guaranteed 60 points a night from just those 3 guys.  Then Huerter, Hunter, Reddish, and Bey dropping 3’s in the wings/perimeter.  Should be another guaranteed 40.  Let Jones come off the bench to be an enforcer and just foul out every night. Move Fernando to the backup 4 where he should be, and Len coming off the bench like he is now and thriving in that role.

This just feels like what Schlenk is trying to do. All the cap space we hoarded can then be used to keep all these guys and this continuity together for the next decade.

All i gotta say is good luck with that because trade and company are already complaining about not having any help nor any vet leadership.  I imagine if they stay losing at the level their on by continuing to put young rookies out there and not getting any real impact player or stars in FA then the talented younger guys we have now more than likely won't be wanting to stay on a losing team as it sits already.  I like Wiseman but im not sure adding him is gonna turn this from the 15 to 25 win team we have now into a playoff contending team every year.   For me you can't keep drafting young rookies over and over again and hoping to strike gold every single time.  Sooner or later you have to make a legit move to add already proven talent and stars to the team which for teams like the lakers and boston is easy with their proven championship pedigree for the Hawks we don't attract many so it's better for us to try and trade for one and then add others to them once we finally have one.  Without doing that im not sure how likely it is collins and trae stay if we don't give them the top tier help their asking for..............

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No surprise that Towns isn't on the market. I don't think he'll be on the market for at least another two years. 

Per Marc Stein:

Q: The Timberwolves are regressing back to their old selves. Do you think the recent 11-game losing streak will lead ownership to think about trading Karl-Anthony Towns? And, if so, do you think he could fetch as much as New Orleans got back for Anthony Davis? — Abdul Jama

Stein: Sorry, Abdul. I know there have been various reports in recent days about teams “monitoring” Towns, in hopes that the losing somehow prompts the All-Star center to seek a trade, but legitimate trade discussions over the next month involving Minnesota’s best player are unlikely in the extreme.

The Wolves have been adamant, in every conversation I’ve had with them, that they are building “everything” around Towns. The swift fall from Minnesota’s promising 10-8 start to 12th in the West entering Tuesday’s play is undeniably alarming, but I’ve been advised that the idea of trading Towns is pretty much the last thing the Wolves are thinking about.

Don’t forget that Towns is in Year 1 of a five-year, $190 million contract extension. The Wolves also have a new front-office regime headed by Gersson Rosas. Rushing into a trade of that magnitude makes little sense.

Rival teams will always expect the Wolves to be active, but that’s largely because Rosas hails from Houston and one of the most aggressive organizations in the league. You’ll be wiser to monitor this instead: There continues to be external interest in the veteran Minnesota swingman Robert Covington now that trade season is in full flow.

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On 1/1/2020 at 0:55 PM, Spts1 said:

I watched Edwards play a few days ago and looked at some tape on him.  I agree.  His game doesn't particularly jump out to me.  He is good but I don't see a clear seperation with his game which clearly makes him the number one pick...

At this point Edwards is a bunch scorer.  He will be quiet for the first quarter and a half but have 14 points at the half.  As he gets more confident the bursts will become more consistent.  The Harden comp is a good one

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