tldr Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 Somehow wouldn't've broke the REC record in week 16 and then had to go out in week 17 to try to break it but end up getting injured in a meaningless. Merry Christmas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirtybird3 Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 (edited) We have a faster stronger version already. Health is the only thing Thomas has in his young career, and a force feed offensive strategy like ab had. Edited December 26, 2019 by Dirtybird3 Ezekiel 25:17, FalconBlood, WisFalcon and 6 others 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Narcaguga Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 3 minutes ago, tldr said: Somehow wouldn't've broke the REC record in week 16 and then had to go out in week 17 to try to break it but end up getting injured in a meaningless. Merry Christmas. What?? FalconBlood and Emmitt 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirtybird3 Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 BTW this thread in general is just dumb.. Happy holidays Ezekiel 25:17, duckhoa, Drvillain and 4 others 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JD dirtybird21 Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 6 minutes ago, tldr said: Somehow wouldn't've broke the REC record in week 16 and then had to go out in week 17 to try to break it but end up getting injured in a meaningless. Merry Christmas. A Dog Named Brian, 1989Fan, SaintBreesus and 3 others 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marvinthemartian Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 14 minutes ago, tldr said: Somehow wouldn't've broke the REC record in week 16 and then had to go out in week 17 to try to break it but end up getting injured in a meaningless. Merry Christmas. Contemporary English translation please? AUTiger7222, Ezekiel 25:17 and JDaveG 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATLSlobberKnockers Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 I dont want to pile on but what a stupid ******* post. Emmitt, CrimsonFalcon, Iron Saint and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesus Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 No one wishes me a happy birthday but they write this crap? Emmitt, JDaveG, A Dog Named Brian and 9 others 12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ki46dinah Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 Michael Thomas is a possession receiver. A great possession receiver no doubt....but not a top 3 wideout in the NFL. Julio, Mike Evans, Hopkins. Imagine someone like Larry Fitz if he had Brees his whole career. He would probably average 140 receptions/season federicofalcon2, Boise Falcon Fan and slamee101 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LouDog Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 2 hours ago, tldr said: Somehow wouldn't've broke the REC record in week 16 and then had to go out in week 17 to try to break it but end up getting injured in a meaningless. Merry Christmas. Drugs are just bad mkay HouseofEuphoria and Iron Saint 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconsIn2012 Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 7 hours ago, ki46dinah said: Michael Thomas is a possession receiver. A great possession receiver no doubt....but not a top 3 wideout in the NFL. Julio, Mike Evans, Hopkins. Imagine someone like Larry Fitz if he had Brees his whole career. He would probably average 140 receptions/season This is almost as bad as the OP...lol SaintBreesus 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuccah Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 13 minutes ago, FalconsIn2012 said: This is almost as bad as the OP...lol I'm not entirely sure he's off the mark. Great hands, great route running, knows how to use his body to gain leverage, but he's not taking the top off your defense. You're not double teaming him because he doesn't go deep often enough for it to matter. His average yards per catch supports this argument. He is well below that of great wide receivers (by great, I mean generation talents). And it's consistent - he's never been higher than around 12 yards per catch so far in his career. His target rate on deep throws down field? I've seen 0.6 per game. For comparison, JJ has 2, Evans 2.6, Hopkins 1.6. I think that can support the argument that Thomas is a great possession receiver. He has the benefit of a truly great QB and masterful play calling to pad his stats. federicofalcon2 and SexualChocolate 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconsIn2012 Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 5 minutes ago, nuccah said: I'm not entirely sure he's off the mark. Great hands, great route running, knows how to use his body to gain leverage, but he's not taking the top off your defense. You're not double teaming him because he doesn't go deep often enough for it to matter. His average yards per catch supports this argument. He is well below that of great wide receivers (by great, I mean generation talents). And it's consistent - he's never been higher than around 12 yards per catch so far in his career. His target rate on deep throws down field? I've seen 0.6 per game. For comparison, JJ has 2, Evans 2.6, Hopkins 1.6. I think that can support the argument that Thomas is a great possession receiver. He has the benefit of a truly great QB and masterful play calling to pad his stats. He is bracketed as often as any receiver in football. And his numbers were identical when the backup QB played for 6 weeks. Yes,, he runs out of the slot more than most #1’s, but he tuns incredible routes and makes tough catches in traffic. Nobody gets open in short space like MT SaintBreesus and Pay the Zebra 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tribal Chief Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 9 minutes ago, nuccah said: I'm not entirely sure he's off the mark. Great hands, great route running, knows how to use his body to gain leverage, but he's not taking the top off your defense. You're not double teaming him because he doesn't go deep often enough for it to matter. His average yards per catch supports this argument. He is well below that of great wide receivers (by great, I mean generation talents). And it's consistent - he's never been higher than around 12 yards per catch so far in his career. His target rate on deep throws down field? I've seen 0.6 per game. For comparison, JJ has 2, Evans 2.6, Hopkins 1.6. I think that can support the argument that Thomas is a great possession receiver. He has the benefit of a truly great QB and masterful play calling to pad his stats. 52 catches for 640 yards and 3 tubs while Brees was out injured. You guys can say whatever you want about the Saints and their players but give real props when due. He clearly would have went well over 1000 yards without Brees. Dude is a top 5 receiver in the league. Y’all do whatever ya can to discredit him though. Been seeing it since he got paid. Can’t get mad because he's in a scheme that works in his favor FalconsIn2012, SaintBreesus, Iron Saint and 3 others 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconsIn2012 Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 7 minutes ago, ya_boi_j said: 52 catches for 640 yards and 3 tubs while Brees was out injured. You guys can say whatever you want about the Saints and their players but give real props when due. He clearly would have went well over 1000 yards without Brees. Dude is a top 5 receiver in the league. Y’all do whatever ya can to discredit him though. Been seeing it since he got paid. Can’t get mad because he's in a scheme that works in his favor Right on....MT just passed Randy Moss for most yards in first 4 years...he also broke the record for most receptions in first 5 years of career, except he has only played 4 years. But somehow he is a product of the system SaintBreesus, Tribal Chief and Iron Saint 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tribal Chief Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 5 minutes ago, FalconsIn2012 said: Right on....MT just passed Randy Moss for most yards in first 4 years...he also broke the record for most receptions in first 5 years of career, except he has only played 4 years. But somehow he is a product of the system The Saints hate is unreal. I get that a lot of people get caught up in that rivalry but the guy is good. Definitely one of the best in the league. He’s definitely in the same atmosphere as Julio, Hopkins and Evans. Amazing how someone can say he pads his stats in that system but don’t say the same about Evans. Man has 835 targets in only 6 years lol. Talk about forcing the ball to one guy. But that’s neither here nor there. Respect the production Iron Saint, Flying Falcon, SaintBreesus and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuccah Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 15 minutes ago, ya_boi_j said: The Saints hate is unreal. I get that a lot of people get caught up in that rivalry but the guy is good. Definitely one of the best in the league. He’s definitely in the same atmosphere as Julio, Hopkins and Evans. Amazing how someone can say he pads his stats in that system but don’t say the same about Evans. Man has 835 targets in only 6 years lol. Talk about forcing the ball to one guy. But that’s neither here nor there. Respect the production I'm not saying he's a product of the system, only that the system is clearly perfect for his skillset. He's not 'the best receiver in the NFL' as many are saying since he broke the record. I'm only making the argument that he is a great possession receiver, and that's not a knock on him. He is a top 5 receiver, but my opinion stands that I would take JJ, Hopkins, and possibly Evans over him because they have the deep game that Thomas does not. Wes Welker was never the 'best receiver in the NFL', and Thomas' stats are very comparable from a statistical standpoint. The difference being that Thomas is more athletically gifted. Edit: Also I replied to the poster stating that Thomas not being a top 3 receiver is as asinine as this thread. That is definitely not the case as an argument can be made. This thread however is clearly asinine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tribal Chief Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 18 minutes ago, nuccah said: I'm not saying he's a product of the system, only that the system is clearly perfect for his skillset. He's not 'the best receiver in the NFL' as many are saying since he broke the record. I'm only making the argument that he is a great possession receiver, and that's not a knock on him. He is a top 5 receiver, but my opinion stands that I would take JJ, Hopkins, and possibly Evans over him because they have the deep game that Thomas does not. Wes Welker was never the 'best receiver in the NFL', and Thomas' stats are very comparable from a statistical standpoint. The difference being that Thomas is more athletically gifted. How can you accurately say he doesn’t have a deep game? The times he’s been asked to go deep he’s came through with positive results. Plus, you don’t have to be a deep threat to be considered the best. I’m not saying he is but you definitely don’t have to be a deep threat to be considered the best. Just like you don’t have to have a cannon for an arm to be truly considered the best QB, etc. Prime and great example although unpopular, Lamar Jackson barely throws downfield despite being capable yet is considered the best in the league mostly because he’s a dual threat. Being a dual threat shouldn’t make you the best if your talent isn’t on full display based on what you’re saying Flying Falcon 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quotemokc Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 It would be interesting to see the Patriots, who are well known for taking away your number 1 option, play the Saints. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuccah Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 17 minutes ago, ya_boi_j said: How can you accurately say he doesn’t have a deep game? The times he’s been asked to go deep he’s came through with positive results. Plus, you don’t have to be a deep threat to be considered the best. I’m not saying he is but you definitely don’t have to be a deep threat to be considered the best. Just like you don’t have to have a cannon for an arm to be truly considered the best QB, etc. I'm extrapolating based on the stats I can find, what he's asked to do, and his measurables. If you have detailed stats showing his effectiveness (# of routes ran, targets, results), I'd love to see them and I'd gladly change my opinion. After looking up a bit more, I didn't realize that Evans and Hopkins are having relatively poor years from what I expected, so I definitely give Thomas the nod into the top three. I'd still keep JJ on top, and I don't think I'm being a Homer in that opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tribal Chief Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 32 minutes ago, nuccah said: I'm extrapolating based on the stats I can find, what he's asked to do, and his measurables. If you have detailed stats showing his effectiveness (# of routes ran, targets, results), I'd love to see them and I'd gladly change my opinion. After looking up a bit more, I didn't realize that Evans and Hopkins are having relatively poor years from what I expected, so I definitely give Thomas the nod into the top three. I'd still keep JJ on top, and I don't think I'm being a Homer in that opinion. You can find most of your detailed stats here. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/T/ThomMi05.htm Flying Falcon 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tldr Posted December 26, 2019 Author Share Posted December 26, 2019 1 hour ago, ya_boi_j said: The Saints hate is unreal. I get that a lot of people get caught up in that rivalry but the guy is good. Definitely one of the best in the league. He’s definitely in the same atmosphere as Julio, Hopkins and Evans. Amazing how someone can say he pads his stats in that system but don’t say the same about Evans. Man has 835 targets in only 6 years lol. Talk about forcing the ball to one guy. But that’s neither here nor there. Respect the production Just because he won you your fantasy league doesn't mean you gotta suck his ***** Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tribal Chief Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 1 minute ago, tldr said: Just because he won you your fantasy league doesn't mean you gotta suck his ***** Funny, my receivers are Cooper, Chark, Shephard, Washington, Brown and Golladay. Showing due respect doesn’t equate to what you said. Gotta be a real man at some point in your life federicofalcon2 and AUTiger7222 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tldr Posted December 26, 2019 Author Share Posted December 26, 2019 7 minutes ago, ya_boi_j said: Funny, my receivers are Cooper, Chark, Shephard, Washington, Brown and Golladay. Showing due respect doesn’t equate to what you said. Gotta be a real man at some point in your life Nah Brees is only good indoors and MT is a glorified Landry. ki46dinah 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snafu Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 (edited) Who cares if he can take the top off a defense, if he can consistently get open and methodically help drive his team down field. He's not the assassin that sneaks up behind you and puts a bullet behind your ear and ends is quickly. He's the assassin that sneaks up behind you and slowly sticks a knife in your jugular, then sticks around and watches you bleed out and suffer. Edited December 26, 2019 by RubberDucky FalconsIn2012, JD dirtybird21, Iron Saint and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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