Ulbrich or Morris

[sandtrap]

Assuming Quinn and TD get another year to right the ship, who do you think should get promoted to DC? I’m hesitant to promote either because I feel like their direct involvement with their group is important. For example, if Morris is promoted to DC, he won’t be spending as much time with the DBs. 

 

[thanat0s]

They seem to be doing fine in their current roles. I’m not sure it makes any sense to suddenly upset the cart by putting one ‘in charge’ just for the sake of a title. 

Of course, Q/TD seem to live to cause chaos, so I’d guess Raheem, since he has HC experience. It actually wouldn’t bother me much if he became the HC if Quinn is jettisoned. 

 

[sandtrap]

1 minute ago, thanat0s said:

They seem to be doing fine in their current roles. I’m not sure it makes any sense to suddenly upset the cart by putting one ‘in charge’ just for the sake of a title. 

Of course, Q/TD seem to live to cause chaos, so I’d guess Raheem, since he has HC experience. It actually wouldn’t bother me much if he became the HC if Quinn is jettisoned. 

 

Agree 100%

[1989Fan]

I still don’t love the idea of different people calling plays depending on the down. I don’t think it can be successful long term. IMO you pick one as the DC and let them run their show.

question is can we retain both doing that since we basically now have acting 2 DCs? Ego and pride are a **** of a thing and in most cases would cause us to lose the one who didn’t become DC.

maybe make Ulbrich DC and Morris DB coach and asst HC to make both happy? If it came down to picking one, that would be a tough call, but I would lean towards Morris.

[marvinthemartian]

Both could have the title of co-DC/ linebackers coach for Ulbrich and co-DC/secondary coach for Morris with each receiving a hefty pay increase also. 

[LastFalconFan]

My biggest fear is that the team keeps DQ as the head coach...then Morris an Ulbrich get hired by other teams.  So then we are back to square one with DQ as head coach and no Defensive Coordinator.

[1989Fan]

1 minute ago, LastFalconFan said:

My biggest fear is that the team keeps DQ as the head coach...then Morris an Ulbrich get hired by other teams.  So then we are back to square one with DQ as head coach and no Defensive Coordinator.

If we promote one to DC that wouldn’t be a problem, other teams would be blocked.

their may be a chance we lose one, but very unlikely we would lose both.

[LastFalconFan]

Just now, 1989Fan said:

If we promote one to DC that wouldn’t be a problem, other teams would be blocked.

their may be a chance we lose one, but very unlikely we would lose both.

Just concerned that Morris who has a good rep and seems to be the motivating factor from listening to players...could be hired as a head coach elsewhere.  And then al/a Shanahan, we are left watching him succeed elsewhere

[kiwifalcon]

2 hours ago, thanat0s said:

They seem to be doing fine in their current roles. I’m not sure it makes any sense to suddenly upset the cart by putting one ‘in charge’ just for the sake of a title. 

Of course, Q/TD seem to live to cause chaos, so I’d guess Raheem, since he has HC experience. It actually wouldn’t bother me much if he became the HC if Quinn is jettisoned. 

 

This is the thing why would Ulbrich and Morris stick around.

I mentioned this last week I bet teams come knocking for either guy both are showing they can run a defense.If not promoted here I think there both candidates for HC/DC interviews else where then we are back to where we started from.

[GrimeyKidd]

2 hours ago, 1989Fan said:

I still don’t love the idea of different people calling plays depending on the down. I don’t think it can be successful long term. IMO you pick one as the DC and let them run their show.

question is can we retain both doing that since we basically now have acting 2 DCs? Ego and pride are a **** of a thing and in most cases would cause us to lose the one who didn’t become DC.

maybe make Ulbrich DC and Morris DB coach and asst HC to make both happy? If it came down to picking one, that would be a tough call, but I would lean towards Morris.

Technically thats already how it is if you take out DC. Morris is already the DB coach and Asst HC. So I don't think its much of a downgrade if ultimately Ulbrich is promoted 

[papachaz]

2 hours ago, marvinthemartian said:

Both could have the title of co-DC/ linebackers coach for Ulbrich and co-DC/secondary coach for Morris with each receiving a hefty pay increase also. 

getouttaheah with all that logic! you've been a fan of this catastrophy we call a team for too long to think any LOGICAL decision has any merit over at 'The Branch'

 

[marvinthemartian]

7 minutes ago, papachaz said:

getouttaheah with all that logic! you've been a fan of this catastrophy we call a team for too long to think any LOGICAL decision has any merit over at 'The Branch'

 

Lol sorry my brother. How could I have been so foolish lol?  Seems like I remember we are almost neighbors. We ought to grab lunch in Rockmart or Dallas one day soon. 

[papachaz]

1 minute ago, marvinthemartian said:

Lol sorry my brother. How could I have been so foolish lol?  Seems like I remember we are almost neighbors. We ought to grab lunch in Rockmart or Dallas one day soon. 

Yes! we need to do that one day soon! 

[Sun Tzu 7]

2 hours ago, LastFalconFan said:

Just concerned that Morris who has a good rep and seems to be the motivating factor from listening to players...could be hired as a head coach elsewhere.  And then al/a Shanahan, we are left watching him succeed elsewhere

This is why I’m skeptical of keeping Quinn.

Because if we’re being honest we’re saying his job depends on him keeping those two guys and NEVER calling the defense again, right?

This is the unattainable.

If the defense regresses, which is possible with the upcoming attrition on defense, then Quinn is probably gone.

If the defense does well then other teams are going to come sniffing around and they could be at the collegiate level.  Then you lose one or both of them and then you have Quinn in charge again.

Its the same thing with the offense.  If they’re bad they will change OCs to try an recapture that 16 magic.  If the offense is good someone is going to hire the OC away.

With Quinn remaining as the HC, in the best case scenarios, they’re changing coordinators every couple of years.

Unfortunately Quinn has shown there will be a significant disruption every time this happens.

[Gold4425]

If it ain't broke why try-n fix it?

[thanat0s]

2 hours ago, kiwifalcon said:

This is the thing why would Ulbrich and Morris stick around.

I mentioned this last week I bet teams come knocking for either guy both are showing they can run a defense.If not promoted here I think there both candidates for HC/DC interviews else where then we are back to where we started from.

You could be right.

[sandtrap]

9 hours ago, Sun Tzu 7 said:

This is why I’m skeptical of keeping Quinn.

Because if we’re being honest we’re saying his job depends on him keeping those two guys and NEVER calling the defense again, right?

This is the unattainable.

If the defense regresses, which is possible with the upcoming attrition on defense, then Quinn is probably gone.

If the defense does well then other teams are going to come sniffing around and they could be at the collegiate level.  Then you lose one or both of them and then you have Quinn in charge again.

Its the same thing with the offense.  If they’re bad they will change OCs to try an recapture that 16 magic.  If the offense is good someone is going to hire the OC away.

With Quinn remaining as the HC, in the best case scenarios, they’re changing coordinators every couple of years.

Unfortunately Quinn has shown there will be a significant disruption every time this happens.

Can’t argue with this either. The hope is that Quinn realized that he is not able to be fully committed to running the defense alone while also the HC. Assuming he doesn’t try to take the role of DC alone again I think we will be okay. Unfortunately losing good coaches is the nature of the business. I’m sure most coaches don’t aspire to be a a LB or DB coach only. Heck, Morris was already a HC himself.