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Sidecar Falcon

Prime Draft Position for a Trade

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Currently we are in the 13th overall draft slot. Taking a quick look at the first round, and how the other teams are lining up, I think we are in a great place to trade down to pick up extra picks. This is the spot where I think most QB needy teams will be looking to trade to get Tua. I doubt Tua will make it past the Raiders at 14. I am basing this off a few factors;the upcoming move to Las Vegas, an underwhelming Carr, and Mayock at the helm. Two potential trade partners could be the Dolphins and the Titans. I believe the Dolphins would be the easiest to target as they have 5 picks in the first two rounds in the upcoming draft. We could possibly pick up an additional 2nd round pick from them, and have 3 selections in round 2.

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37 minutes ago, Sidecar Falcon said:

Currently we are in the 13th overall draft slot. Taking a quick look at the first round, and how the other teams are lining up, I think we are in a great place to trade down to pick up extra picks. This is the spot where I think most QB needy teams will be looking to trade to get Tua. I doubt Tua will make it past the Raiders at 14. I am basing this off a few factors;the upcoming move to Las Vegas, an underwhelming Carr, and Mayock at the helm. Two potential trade partners could be the Dolphins and the Titans. I believe the Dolphins would be the easiest to target as they have 5 picks in the first two rounds in the upcoming draft. We could possibly pick up an additional 2nd round pick from them, and have 3 selections in round 2.

The problem.  Why would a rebuilding Dolphins team get RID of picks in order to move up, when rebuilding teams do the opposite...

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7 minutes ago, Spts1 said:

The problem.  Why would a rebuilding Dolphins team get RID of picks in order to move up, when rebuilding teams do the opposite...

They would trade up because they need a starting QB, and that is the most integral position in all of football. They also have a cheap QB to take the lumps while Tua heals/acclimates. Not to mention they have the draft capital to make this move without really sacrificing anything detrimental to their rebuild. You're essentially getting a top 3 college player (and top 5 pick) for a 2nd round pick.

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1 minute ago, Summerhill said:

It's pretty established rebuilding teams do what they have to do to get the right QB. 

The Dolphins are picking fifth.  They don't need any help in draft position.  They sitting pretty across the board.  They got three first round picks and cap galore.  They could conceivably rebuild faster than the Falcons with the right moves...

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10 minutes ago, Sidecar Falcon said:

They would trade up because they need a starting QB, and that is the most integral position in all of football. They also have a cheap QB to take the lumps while Tua heals/acclimates. Not to mention they have the draft capital to make this move without really sacrificing anything detrimental to their rebuild. You're essentially getting a top 3 college player (and top 5 pick) for a 2nd round pick.

They are slated to pick fifth currently.  They need ZERO help to get a quarterback in the first round.  THREE first round picks. THREE.  

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Just now, Spts1 said:

They slated to pick fifth currently.  They need ZERO help to get a quarterback in the first round.  THREE first round picks. THREE.  

Herbert is overrated, and Tua is dropping in the draft due to his injury. Picking an injured QB at 5th overall is not how you rebuild a franchise.Yeah, and they would STILL have THREE picks in the first round. THREE.

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1 minute ago, Sidecar Falcon said:

Herbert is overrated, and Tua is dropping in the draft due to his injury. Picking an injured QB at 5th overall is not how you rebuild a franchise.Yeah, and they would STILL have THREE picks in the first round. THREE.

Who said they gonna pick Tua at 5th?  You are trying to force a scenario where the Dolphins would wanna trade with the Falcons.  Tua and Herbert dropping HELPS the Dolphins stay put and draft the best player at 5,  THEN, get a quarterback later in the first round if they want to.  Those THREE picks give the Dolphins options galore even without trading with anybody...

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7 minutes ago, Spts1 said:

The Dolphins are picking fifth.  They don't need any help in draft position.  They sitting pretty across the board.  They got three first round picks and cap galore.  They could conceivably rebuild faster than the Falcons with the right moves...

Since when Miami was relevant? Don’t freaking compare the Dolphins to the Falcons— Falcons have Matty and Julio and a core of good players. Atlanta doesn’t need much to get better. Atlanta is not rebuilding- get your facts right. Atlanta is a playoff caliber team— they just had a disappointing season for many reasons- not lack of talent.

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Just now, Spts1 said:

Who said they gonna pick Tua at 5th?  You are trying to force a scenario where the Dolphins would wanna trade with the Falcons.  Tua and Herbert dropping HELPS the Dolphins stay put and draft the best player at 5,  THEN, get a quarterback later in the first round if they want to.  Those THREE picks give the Dolphins options galore even without trading with anybody...

If not for his injury Tua would have been a top 5 pick, and may have been in contention for the 1st overall pick. Not forcing a trade scenario, when I literally said that Tua will not make it past the Raiders, who literally pick after us. I even gave reasons as to why they wouldn't pass on him. Next time read the original post completely. You're making yourself look silly.

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4 minutes ago, Flyin' In DC said:

Why wouldn't the Dolphins just take their QB at 5? Why would they risk taking another position there and then hope Tua or Herbert is available at 15ish

I believe Tua is dropping because of his injury. Not to mention they need help across the board. At 5th overall I believe Herbert is a huge reach, I think he'll be selected by the Panthers. I think Miami selects Andrew Thomas to improve their offensive line play. They've allowed 51 sacks this season, and rank dead last in pass protection according to football outsiders. 

https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ol/2019

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Just now, Sidecar Falcon said:

I believe Tua is dropping because of his injury. Not to mention they need help across the board. At 5th overall I believe Herbert is a huge reach, I think he'll be selected by the Panthers. I think Miami selects Andrew Thomas to improve their offensive line play. They've allowed 51 sacks this season, and rank dead last in pass protection according to football outsiders. 

https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ol/2019

I guess it's all hard to say at this point. Maybe they do go OT at 5 package a couple picks to move back up for Tua. Or do you think QB from Utah could go to Miami? Do teams look at him as the next potential Lamar?

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13 minutes ago, stingbee said:

Since when Miami was relevant? Don’t freaking compare the Dolphins to the Falcons— Falcons have Matty and Julio and a core of good players. Atlanta doesn’t need much to get better. Atlanta is not rebuilding- get your facts right. Atlanta is a playoff caliber team— they just had a disappointing season for many reasons- not lack of talent.

The Dolphins and Falcons both came into the league ( NFL) in 1966.  The Dolphins came into this season with 452 wins which places them FIFTH in wins in NFL history.  They have 13 division championships,  5 conference championships and 2 world titles AND a undefeated season. 

During that same time frame, playing the EXACT same number of games, the Falcons have 358 wins, which ranks them 30th out of 32 teams in win/loss percentage.  They have 6 division championships,  2 conference championships and ZERO world titles and you wanna talk about comparing the Dolphins to the Falcons?   Brah,  its disrespectful to the Dolphins to compare the Falcons to THEM...

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14 minutes ago, Sidecar Falcon said:

If not for his injury Tua would have been a top 5 pick, and may have been in contention for the 1st overall pick. Not forcing a trade scenario, when I literally said that Tua will not make it past the Raiders, who literally pick after us. I even gave reasons as to why they wouldn't pass on him. Next time read the original post completely. You're making yourself look silly.

You going in circles.  YOU said the Falcons should trade with the Dolphins.  I say there is zero, zip, nadda reason the Dolphins would wanna trade with anybody to acquire a quarterback.  You haven't proven they have to...

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Just now, Flyin' In DC said:

I guess it's all hard to say at this point. Maybe they do go OT at 5 package a couple picks to move back up for Tua. Or do you think QB from Utah could go to Miami? Do teams look at him as the next potential Lamar?

They are currently at 19 overall with their second 1st round pick. So they only need to jump 6 spots to get ahead of the Raiders.This move shouldn't cost them a lot of draft capital. Perhaps their first 2nd round pick to swap. If you're talking about Jordan Love from Utah State, he hasn't had a good year, so people have cooled off on him a bit. Not to mention he is a bit raw still. I could see Love going as early as the Mid-2nd round. I don't think he is athletically gifted as Lamar was coming out. The combine will tell us a lot about where he stands in that manner.

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35 minutes ago, Sidecar Falcon said:


At 19th overall we could still get Swift, Kinlaw, or Biadasz, and get an additional 2nd round pick.

 

I don’t thing I’d use the first pick on a RB. And I think swift will be there in the second. 

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16 minutes ago, Flyin' In DC said:

I guess it's all hard to say at this point. Maybe they do go OT at 5 package a couple picks to move back up for Tua. Or do you think QB from Utah could go to Miami? Do teams look at him as the next potential Lamar?

The Dolphins will and SHOULD let the draft come to them. Zero reason to move up or down because Tua, Hebert, Eason, etc. will be there when they pick later in the first. One of those guys will be there.  Tua's injury history even makes it a horrible move to give up a pick to acquire him.   The Dolphins are sitting pretty.  They have cap galore.  The difference between talent on every NFL team is small.  Thats why Belicheat goes the extra mile to " cheat" every season.  In other words,  just because  the Dolphins suck this year,  next year they could be a playoff team.  The Falcons sucked first part of this season, then beat the Saints and 49ers.   Its not necessarily the players you have, its what you do with them...

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1 minute ago, Spts1 said:

You going in circles.  YOU said the Falcons should trade with the Dolphins.  I say there is zero, zip, nadda reason the Dolphins would wanna trade with anybody to acquire a quarterback.  You haven't proven they have to...

Ok I'll break this down for you.

Current Miami QBs:.

Ryan Fitzpatrick

Josh Rosen

Current Miami 1st Round Picks:

5th:

19th:

25th:

Current 1st Rd Worthy QBs:

Joe Burrow

Justin Herbert

Tua Tagovailoa

Needless to say Quarterback is a huge need for the Dolphins. Miami's offensive line is ranked dead last. They also have allowed their QB to be sacked 51 times. Joe Burrow will be gone with the 1st overall pick. Herbert at 5th overall is a huge reach. So I believe that their 5th overall pick will be used on the Andrew Thomas to start rebuilding their OL. Which leaves their 19th and 25th left. I believe Herbert will be selected by the Panthers with the 8th overall pick. Which leaves only one 1st round worthy QB left, which is Tua. As stated before, I gave reasons as to why I believe Tua won't make it past the Raiders (Who pick at 14). Since QB is a huge need for Miami, and there is only one left (And arguably the 1st or 2nd best in the draft), they would need to get to our pick. So your narrative of saying there would be no reason is not accurate.

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11 minutes ago, TheFatboi said:

I don’t thing I’d use the first pick on a RB. And I think swift will be there in the second. 

I'm looking at positional value at this point. Swift is talented and could give us a running element again. I'm not sold on Hill. Personally I would draft Biadasz in the 1st and Entienne in the 2nd.

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