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Dan Quinn year 1 started hot terrible defense and lack of red zone offense lead to the lackluster finish 

year 2 Shannys offense and growth of the young defense and good circumstances lead to a sb appearance 

year 3 new oc and a pretty solid defense had them close to a deep playoff run

year 4 still moving between the 20s red zone offense sucked but d was banged up 

year 5 started terribly looked to start establishing an identity on both sides of the ball after the bye  

maybe keep it all in place for one more year and see how it goes make some tough roster moves remember the saints were at this crossroads not long ago and they’re doing ok these days

 

 

 

 

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7 minutes ago, ATLSlobberKnockers said:

This is how I feel about Quinn but Koetter needs to go. Hes a downgrade over Sark tbh.

I don’t completely understand all the hate for DK. I agree we should have been better in the first half of the season but it takes a little time to build chemistry. Do we want to start over? I think we need a running game and a LG RB and another year for this OL to come together. Next year could be the year. If AB fires DQ then yea but otherwise I’m not sure.

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5 minutes ago, Atl Falcon said:

I don’t completely understand all the hate for DK. I agree we should have been better in the first half of the season but it takes a little time to build chemistry. Do we want to start over? I think we need a running game and a LG RB and another year for this OL to come together. Next year could be the year. If AB fires DQ then yea but otherwise I’m not sure.

My only reason for relieving DQ (besides poor D, Oline play, lack of discipline, prep and lax attitude)  would be to bring in team McCarthy.  He’s sold me....I don’t go all in often esp w re to Atl but I truly believe he’s coming w a vengeance for someone.  It’s a conundrum honestly bc I do value the consistency approach esp after last several game.  

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1 minute ago, BUBBASBEANS said:

My only reason for relieving DQ (besides poor D, Oline play, lack of discipline, prep and lax attitude)  would be to bring in team McCarthy.  He’s sold me....I don’t go all in often esp w re to Atl but I truly believe he’s coming w a vengeance for someone.  It’s a conundrum honestly bc I do value the consistency approach esp after last several game.  

Seems to be better in the second half of the season going 5-2 and beating the best two NFC teams on the road

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9 minutes ago, Atl Falcon said:

I don’t completely understand all the hate for DK. I agree we should have been better in the first half of the season but it takes a little time to build chemistry. Do we want to start over? I think we need a running game and a LG RB and another year for this OL to come together. Next year could be the year. If AB fires DQ then yea but otherwise I’m not sure.

The hate for DK is his slow developing plays that seldom allow for yac. And his penchant to not use players to their strengths creatively. We all saw how Shanny schemed players open. Other OCs do that too. Not our guy. He’s a beat your man OC. That requires prefect play. Perfect play is the result of quality coaching, preparation, desire, and talent. 
at least two of those qualities are lacking or extremely inconsistent. 
  My pain is the inconsistently. I’ve seen them be a seemingly very good team. Then the go full on Gomer for no clear reason. 

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33 minutes ago, ATLSlobberKnockers said:

This is how I feel about Quinn but Koetter needs to go. Hes a downgrade over Sark tbh.

I’ve not been a big fan of Koetter, but there’s a real possibility we keep him around. There’s no one I can think of for us to hire to replace him. Matt typically plays much better in the second year under an offensive system. Unfortunately, that wasn’t true for Matt and Koetter in 2013, but as a whole our team was terrible that year. Injuries didn’t help either. Matt was pretty good in 2014 though. 

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Quinn has had 2 great seasons, 2 bad seasons, 1 50/50 season.

Both bad years ended on high notes and that does matter. His teams do not quit on him.

He gets another year. And not because he deserves it, but this entire franchise cannot undergo an overhaul with the cap we have. 
We cannot be brash and hurt ourselves further by wasting more years with a coach trying to win now with someone else’s players.

Let Quinn right the ship he sailed of course. Last year was nothing but scapegoats from injuries to coaching assistants.

This year was a gut check and he was able to find the right combination to get results when everyone could have ran and hid and accepted he was out of here.

He is a first time HC and the last couple years showed it. I think he has turned a corner as a coach though. No more hype, just business. 

 

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37 minutes ago, LightningDawg58 said:

Quinn has had 2 great seasons, 2 bad seasons, 1 50/50 season.

Both bad years ended on high notes and that does matter. His teams do not quit on him.

He gets another year. And not because he deserves it, but this entire franchise cannot undergo an overhaul with the cap we have. 
We cannot be brash and hurt ourselves further by wasting more years with a coach trying to win now with someone else’s players.

Let Quinn right the ship he sailed of course. Last year was nothing but scapegoats from injuries to coaching assistants.

This year was a gut check and he was able to find the right combination to get results when everyone could have ran and hid and accepted he was out of here.

He is a first time HC and the last couple years showed it. I think he has turned a corner as a coach though. No more hype, just business. 

 

Yea but my question is why did DQ fire Sark? AB and TD make him do it?  I for one and I know this is hindsight but I think Sark was the better fit especially for year three

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1 hour ago, dothan_birdman said:

The hate for DK is his slow developing plays that seldom allow for yac. And his penchant to not use players to their strengths creatively. We all saw how Shanny schemed players open. Other OCs do that too. Not our guy. He’s a beat your man OC. That requires prefect play. Perfect play is the result of quality coaching, preparation, desire, and talent. 
at least two of those qualities are lacking or extremely inconsistent. 
  My pain is the inconsistently. I’ve seen them be a seemingly very good team. Then the go full on Gomer for no clear reason. 

Not even that it’s his lack of a consistent running game which doesn’t allow our QB to play at his strength play action.

Just about everywhere Koetters been his running games been under whelming.

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1 hour ago, Atlantafan21 said:

I’ve not been a big fan of Koetter, but there’s a real possibility we keep him around. There’s no one I can think of for us to hire to replace him. Matt typically plays much better in the second year under an offensive system. Unfortunately, that wasn’t true for Matt and Koetter in 2013, but as a whole our team was terrible that year. Injuries didn’t help either. Matt was pretty good in 2014 though. 

Im hoping for Mike Lefleur to come run.Shans book

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There is no way we will go to the Super Bowl next year if we bring in a new coach as he will not have had time to bring in all his type of players and teach his philosophies and schemes fully.

However, if we keep Quinn, we can at least hope a couple of improvements at a few positions and maybe better play all-around could resurrect a Super Bowl year.

Of course, if we keep Quinn, we may also just see another subpar year at 7-9 and be wishing we had brought in a new coach even if that new coach goes 7-9 but is in the first year of developing his team.

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2 minutes ago, jlrfalcon said:

There is no way we will go to the Super Bowl next year if we bring in a new coach as he will not have had time to bring in all his type of players and teach his philosophies and schemes fully.

However, if we keep Quinn, we can at least hope a couple of improvements at a few positions and maybe better play all-around could resurrect a Super Bowl year.

Of course, if we keep Quinn, we may also just see another subpar year at 7-9 and be wishing we had brought in a new coach even if that new coach goes 7-9 but is in the first year of developing his team.

yeah, maybe DQ will bring in Mike McCarthy to coach the Defensive Line

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15 minutes ago, andrews31cain21 said:

Who is Mike Lefleur?

Are you referring to Mike McDaniel?

He might've meant Mike McDaniel... or he might've meant exactly who he said.

Mike Lafleur is Matt Lafleur's younger brother. Mike was on Shanny's staff here along w/ his brother & McDaniel. Mike Lafleur is currently the passing game coordinator for Shanny in SF.

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13 hours ago, Atl Falcon said:

Yea but my question is why did DQ fire Sark? AB and TD make him do it?  I for one and I know this is hindsight but I think Sark was the better fit especially for year three

Scapegoating in my opinion. The noise and pressure influenced that decision. I for one did not think Sark nor Manuel should have been ousted. Armstrong, yes. 
 

However I’m less upset about Sark getting the axe because I actually liked DK and wanted him to stay after Smith was fired.

Hindsight showed that the self inflicted wounds were more to blame for our offensive struggles than any coordinator as that problem surfaced across both hires. 
 

Im rambling with no real point but I hope I answered the question

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14 hours ago, Atl Falcon said:

I don’t completely understand all the hate for DK. I agree we should have been better in the first half of the season but it takes a little time to build chemistry. Do we want to start over? I think we need a running game and a LG RB and another year for this OL to come together. Next year could be the year. If AB fires DQ then yea but otherwise I’m not sure.

It has little to do with chemistry. This isn't our first rodeo with Koetter, and quite frankly it's much of the same from the first go around. His offense is unbalanced, lacks creativity, and is completely reliant on star players to make difficult plays instead of putting players in position to succeed.

Funny how every time Koetter calls the plays, there's always the complaint of "we need another RB." Didn't see any of that with Shanny and to a lesser extent with Sark. It's NOT the RB. DK's offenses have always sucked at rushing--no matter where he goes it's the same story. I wouldn't even say it's the OL, even though it was horrid in 2013. Even so, DK hardly ever adjusts his scheme and still continued to expose bad O-lines with long developing pass plays (with an almost nonexistent running game).

DK has to go. He's not an unknown. We know what he brings to the table, and it's not good.

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22 minutes ago, thanat0s said:

I’ll not fuel any support for bringing back Quinn. He’d have been fired after the SB final whistle if I owned the team, and I’d have put Kyle in charge. 

Having said that, I still think the one guy Blank has to covet for this job is Mike McCarthy. Nobody else comes close to his resume. 

lmao no one would want to work for you, holy crap you are a hindsight captain aren't you

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1 minute ago, FalconsFanSince194eva said:

lmao no one would want to work for you, holy crap you are a hindsight captain aren't you

At Cornell university, they have a piece of equipment called a tunneling electron microscope. It can literally see inside the atom. 

If I was using that microscope right now, I still couldn’t locate my interest in your opinions on anything. 

Goodbye. 

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