k-train Posted December 7, 2019 Share Posted December 7, 2019 He was garbage as a HC for the Broncos. Maybe you could look past that a little if you chalk it up to inexperience (I believe at the time he was the youngest HC in NFL history). So you'd hope his second time around as a HC would see him better prepared to deliver some success in the role. The bigger issue is where his stock is more recently. The way he backed out on the Colts & the timing of it was a mess. After having been screwed around by Petrino, there's just no way in heII Blank would go near a dude with a history of doing this. On top of all that, the Patriots offense has been a dumpster fire this year & he can't seem to get it fixed. Falcons Fan MVP and Vandy 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vandy Posted December 7, 2019 Share Posted December 7, 2019 21 minutes ago, k-train said: He was garbage as a HC for the Broncos. Maybe you could look past that a little if you chalk it up to inexperience (I believe at the time he was the youngest HC in NFL history). So you'd hope his second time around as a HC would see him better prepared to deliver some success in the role. The bigger issue is where his stock is more recently. The way he backed out on the Colts & the timing of it was a mess. After having been screwed around by Petrino, there's just no way in heII Blank would go near a dude with a history of doing this. On top of all that, the Patriots offense has been a dumpster fire this year & he can't seem to get it fixed. David Shaw would be my 1st choice. I hope you’re right about blank not considering McDaniel. I much prefer we bring in a high character guy like Rivera to change the culture here. Falcons Fan MVP, FalconsIn2012, Francis York Morgan and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
k-train Posted December 7, 2019 Share Posted December 7, 2019 1 minute ago, Vandy said: David Shaw would be my 1st choice. I hope you’re right about blank not considering McDaniel. I much prefer we bring in a high character guy like Rivera to change the culture here. I've been intrigued with David Shaw as well. I agree with bringing in someone of high character (seems like Blank has tried to do that with Smitty & DQ), but I don't want that to be a good guy with a track record of losing. So no way do I want Rivera, who only mustered up 3 winning seasons in 9 years, involved with this team in any capacity beyond possibly being DC. Francis York Morgan and Vandy 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Power I Posted December 7, 2019 Share Posted December 7, 2019 19 minutes ago, Vandy said: David Shaw would be my 1st choice. I hope you’re right about blank not considering McDaniel. I much prefer we bring in a high character guy like Rivera to change the culture here. I don't think there's any problem with our culture being high character. It's just bad execution and a lot of bad scheming, especially on defense. I think we just need a coach that has a proven track record of being an expert in the X's and O's and can motivate the players to execute it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
k-train Posted December 7, 2019 Share Posted December 7, 2019 3 hours ago, Power I said: I don't think there's any problem with our culture being high character. It's just bad execution and a lot of bad scheming, especially on defense. I think we just need a coach that has a proven track record of being an expert in the X's and O's and can motivate the players to execute it. I agree that we have done a good job of making sure the staff & players are generally of high character. To my eyes (and I've mentioned this a few times over the past couple of months & Roddy pretty much confirmed a lot of it in interviews this week, as did Rico in interviews a few weeks back) the problems with not executing on the field revolve more around the roster being devoid of leadership from the players than anything else. This seems particularly evident on defense. Remember that a number of the players starting on defense saw considerable success in their first 2 seasons in the NFL. They got to the Super Bowl & then made the playoffs the next year, won a game on the road, and nearly won another road game that came down to a dropped TD pass on the last play of the game. Many of them got Pro Bowl nods as well. I can't help but think that some of these guys just expected to be successful after that & reality has kind of kicked them in the behind. I think Quinn expected these guys to step up as leaders & outside of Grady Jarrett, none of them really have. Beasley's just not that guy & neither is Trufant. Despite being super talented, Debo unfortunately doesn't seem to have true leadership skills either. Neal is too hurt to offer leadership from anywhere beyond the sidelines. Campbell tried to take on a leadership role last season, but didn't seem comfortable or natural with it & thus seemed like he was in over his head. Because of this lack of leadership, it really seems like guys were not being held to higher standards or getting the support they need from teammates to be able to just play their position properly with confidence. That's where you end up with young guys pressing too hard to try to make a play, guys getting sloppy with technique, missing tackles, blowing coverage, not beating blocks, etc. Rico alluded to this earlier in the year... that guys were not communicating as well as they should & everyone was trying too hard to individually make a play rather than trusting in each other, and working as a unit to play to the best of their abilities. So while some of the issues on defense have certainly been scheme related, I think a decent portion of the issue is attributed to players doing what they are supposed to in practice, but then freaking out in the games & freelancing too much in an effort to try to make a big play. Kazee is probably one of the worst at this. Without a few respected vets in the huddle to either get on them for screwing up or helping them get the advice/support/etc. they need to not feel the urge to force a play & get caught out of position, these young dudes are not approaching the game with the mindset they need in order to be successful. We need to bring in a few vets who have been starters in the NFL before, who know how to lead, and who can command the respect of the younger guys. Ideally one at each level of the defense... like a vet safety or corner, a vet LB, and a vet for the D-line. These vets don't even need to be starters moving forward per se, but solid depth/rotational pieces who can be an extension of the coaching staff, carrying the message beyond the sidelines and onto the field, making sure it's not getting tuned out & falling on deaf ears. That said, I do think we need to change up the philosophy on defense. The Seattle-style defense is old news. Teams know how to beat it with ease now, which is why you see the teams with coaching staffs from that tree/running that system being far less effective than they have been in years past. When we hired DQ, we were trying to catch a then current trend in the NFL... the Legion of Doom style defense. No matter if it's the hot, trendy scheme on offense or defense, the problem with doing that sort of thing is by the time you get the coach in place, it almost always takes at least a year or two to get the players in place to run the system. By then, coordinators on the other side of the ball have seen like 4-5 years of the team that were the originators of the scheme, plus 2-3 years of other teams trying to copy them. So you essentially end up with a very short window for success before the scheme is completely figured out & beatable. That's why I think you want a HC who can be a leader, and you need to also have innovative minds involved w/ the staff as coordinators in addition to the HC... not just looking for retreads who had success way back when. The very definition of progress is moving forward, not living in the past. We gotta be able to evolve if we wanna be a great football team that can cultivate & continue a winning culture in Atlanta. We gotta stop trying to follow the current buzz & instead create our own identity. We need to start being trend setters & stop being trend followers. If you're following rather than leading, you're always a little behind someone else... which means you're never any better than 2nd best, and as we all know far too well from 1998 & 2016, 2nd best doesn't mean a thing in the NFL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vandy Posted December 7, 2019 Share Posted December 7, 2019 6 hours ago, Power I said: I don't think there's any problem with our culture being high character. It's just bad execution and a lot of bad scheming, especially on defense. I think we just need a coach that has a proven track record of being an expert in the X's and O's and can motivate the players to execute it. Our locker room lacks accountability. That’s what I mean by character. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vandy Posted December 7, 2019 Share Posted December 7, 2019 6 hours ago, k-train said: I've been intrigued with David Shaw as well. I agree with bringing in someone of high character (seems like Blank has tried to do that with Smitty & DQ), but I don't want that to be a good guy with a track record of losing. So no way do I want Rivera, who only mustered up 3 winning seasons in 9 years, involved with this team in any capacity beyond possibly being DC. Shaw is my preference, but not so confident on him being realistic open tI leave Stanford. But I would sure make a hard run at him first, k-train re: rivera i hear you’re, but his 1st couple seasons shouldn’t count, as he took over the worst team in football. And last two years without his franchise QB....so that’s not an entirely fair claim on the lack of winning seasons, 4 of them would be near impossible for any coach. And even with that, he was 76-63 and NFL coach of year twice. We could do a lot worse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
k-train Posted December 7, 2019 Share Posted December 7, 2019 25 minutes ago, Vandy said: re: rivera i hear you’re, but his 1st couple seasons shouldn’t count, as he took over the worst team in football. And last two years without his franchise QB....so that’s not an entirely fair claim on the lack of winning seasons, 4 of them would be near impossible for any coach. And even with that, he was 76-63 and NFL coach of year twice. We could do a lot worse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyberlian Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 11 hours ago, Power I said: I personally believe Rodgers is the most overrated QB of our generation, but that's just me. People fall in love with his back shoulder throws and proclaim he's the best. I do know if he played in Atlanta, fans would be calling to have him benched and we would still have 0 Super Bowls. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chitown2ATL_Falcon Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 On 12/6/2019 at 9:32 PM, Falcons Fan MVP said: Assuming Dan Quinn does get fired at the end of the season, what do you think the chances are Arthur Blank tries to bring in Josh McDaniels? Do you think there is a realistic possibility Josh McDaniels would come here after the way he backed out of Colts deal? And do you think Josh would make a good head coach for our team? as he wasn't so great with Denver. Your thoughts? Chances just went up. Rumor has it he will be free next year. Also I think their Director of Player Personnel will also be a Free Agent. With the TD connection don't be surprised to see them here next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
izibit74 Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 Zero. Dan Quinn just saved his job Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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