marvinthemartian Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 First and foremost, like any business person, Mr Blank has said and done things involving his ownership that I and other fans have disagreed with. No doubt about that. Let’s get that clearly on the record upfront. Have the Falcons had issues during his tenure? Yes. But he has always worked to fix them and money has been an object He wants to win. This is the same man who has had a winner owning Atlanta United since year one. The main difference is he made great hires initially for United leadership and he has missed on the Falcons and then waited, usually one year too long, to correct it due to loyalty However, it’s his team and his money at risk so he has the right to run it however he sees fit. When he makes a mistake, we get upset because it has a negative impact on the team we love (and in my case have loved since 1966). But when he makes a mistake it can cost him millions of dollars in addition to the hurt we feel multiplied by a very large number. Let’s examine some truly bad ownership of just the local teams in Atlanta: The group that brought the Braves to Atlanta....basically one good year (1969) from 1966-1976. Horrendous for all the others. Nobody wanted to come play here or go to the games Ted Turner 1976-1981; 1983-1990: Ted was a laughingstock He even tried to manage the team himself before MLB said “Nope” Finally figures it out when he brings Cox back in about 1987 and Schuerholz about 1990. Had good people and lets them do what they need to do I hope Mr Blank follows the latter part of the Turner model after the end of this year The group that owned the Atlanta Flames For a number of reasons ended up selling and moving to Canada. Under new ownership the Flames own a Stanley Cup The group that owned the Thrashers and Hawks. 8-10 people with big egos who couldn’t get along Now the Thrashers are gone too and the Hawks are rebuilding under their new (and I think very good) ownership Liberty Media owns the Braves. The Braves now have a faceless corporate ownership where they are nothing more than a line on a balance sheet No ownership face to address their mistakes with. Profit is more important than winning. I doubt anyone on this board, myself included, could pick one of those people out of a lineup. The Smith Family. How many free agents did we let get away because they wouldn’t pay? These guys made the Bengals ownership look generous, efficient and effective. Rankin almost never addressed the fans and clearly had no clue how to be a NFL owner. Is Arthur Blank perfect? No he isn’t. But would the fan base of many teams in the NFL take him and his passion as an owner over what they have now? Absolutely. The one thing I have seen with Mr Blank is that he is loyal and patient, sometimes to a fault, but he does try to fix mistakes and pay for the best product on the field and game day experience possible. He may not be perfect, but long suffering Atlanta sports fans have endured MUCH worse. Vandy, Boise Falcon Fan, Faithful Falcon and 5 others 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Old Pappy Falcon* Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 10 minutes ago, marvinthemartian said: First and foremost, like any business person, Mr Blank has said and done things involving his ownership that I and other fans have disagreed with. No doubt about that. Let’s get that clearly on the record upfront. Have the Falcons had issues during his tenure? Yes. But he has always worked to fix them and money has been no object He wants to win. This is the same man who has had a winner owning Atlanta United since year one. The main difference is he made great hires initially for United leadership and he has missed on the Falcons and then waited usually one year too long to correct it due to loyalty However, it’s his team and his money at risk so he has the right to run it however he sees fit. When he makes a mistake, we get upset because it has a negative impact on the team we love (and in my case have loved since 1966). But when he makes a mistake it can cost him millions of dollars in addition to the hurt we feel multiplied by a very large number. Let’s examine some truly bad ownership of just the local teams in Atlanta: The group that brought the Braves to Atlanta....basically one good year (1969) from 1966-1976. Horrendous for all the others. Nobody wanted to come play here or go to the games Ted Turner 1976-1981; 1983-1990: Ted was a laughingstock He even tried to manage the team himself before MLB said “Nope” Finally figures it out when he brings Cox back in about 1987 and Schuerholz about 1990. Had good people and let’s them do what they need to do I hope Mr Blank follows the latter part of the Turner model after the end of this year The group that owned the Atlanta Flames For a number of reasons ended up selling and moving to Canada. Under new ownership the Flames own a Stanley Cup The group that owned the Thrashers and Hawks. 8-10 people with big egos who couldn’t get along Now the Thrashers are gone too and the Hawks are rebuilding under their new (and I think very good) ownership Liberty Media owns the Braves. The Braves now have a faceless corporate ownership where they are nothing more than a line on a balance sheet No ownership face to address their mistakes with. Profit is more important than winning. I doubt anyone on this board, myself included, could pick one of those people out of a lineup. The Smith Family. How many free agents did we let get away because they wouldn’t pay? These guys made the Bengals ownership look generous, efficient and effective. Rankin almost never addressed the fans and clearly had no clue how to be a NFL owner. Is Arthur Blank perfect? No he isn’t. But would the fan base of many teams in the NFL take him and his passion as an owner over that they have now? Absolutely. The one thing I have seen with Mr Blank is that he is loyal and patient sometimes to a fault but he does try to fix mistakes and pay for the best product on the field and game day experience possible. He may not be perfect, but long suffering Atlanta sports fans have endured MUCH worse. No he's not perfect! I want him to be here when we win it all! Love the man and respect him, but I'm starting to worry about the decisions he's made. We need a G.M. and a head coach with experience, to tell him back off my *** if you want me here in Atlanta. The Braves.....I couldn't disagree with you more!! The Braves are on the way to winning ways and championships! That Acuna kid is the New Hank Aaron! Probably gunna be the first ever 50/50 guy in baseball at 22 years old. The guy is a young Legend now. ATLSlobberKnockers, Flying Falcon, Charles Wright and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marvinthemartian Posted November 30, 2019 Author Share Posted November 30, 2019 I am well aware of the Braves. They are winning despite Liberty Media not because of them. They have a good front office and scouts. But Liberty writes the checks and they have a hard, self imposed budget limit that may very well end up costing the Braves players who could be the difference between a championship and a first round playoff exit. Flyin' In DC and *Old Pappy Falcon* 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSalmon Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 Here’s short version: he owns team. His to do with as he likes *Old Pappy Falcon*, Monolith2001, Flyin' In DC and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marvinthemartian Posted November 30, 2019 Author Share Posted November 30, 2019 Yeah lol I tried to say that in the first and second paragraphs and then offer some supporting, comparative evidence *Old Pappy Falcon* 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marvinthemartian Posted November 30, 2019 Author Share Posted November 30, 2019 Long story short, Atlanta sports fans have had many examples of poor ownership. Mr Blank is not one of them in my humble opinion. Flyin' In DC, Boise Falcon Fan, rounz and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boise Falcon Fan Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 39 minutes ago, marvinthemartian said:Agree with the OP. I suffered through the Smiths. AB cares, and I can’t fault him for that. Glad he is our owner! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boise Falcon Fan Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 Totally agree with the OP. Suffered thru the Smiths! Glad AB is our owner! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marvinthemartian Posted November 30, 2019 Author Share Posted November 30, 2019 Truth is, none of us really know the inner dynamics of what goes on behind closed doors. All we can do is guess. In the end, that’s all it is....guesswork. rounz and PokerSteve 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shc Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 You could apply that same logic to Dan Quinn. He’s a good coach, who’s made some mistakes, but we’ve had worse. See how how that works? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconFanSince1970 Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 For those of you bustin on the Smiths you have to realize they had an expansion team. It takes years to get an expansion team off the ground. They did bring us several key players like Bart, Andrews, Tuggle, Nobis, Deion, Jam, Dunn, Riggs, Vick, Mort, Case, Rison, Crump, Van Note, Kenn, Claude, Roddy, Mud Duck, Whitfield, Fralic, White Shoes, Haynes, Kerney, Brooking, Chandler, Heyward, Hinton, Rossum, Mathis, Miller, Jenkins, Mitchell, Big Play Ray and more. If you think they were bad consider this. In their last seven years they: Went 49-63 (.438) Had two playoff berths Had one SB appearance Sold the team for $545M after purchasing it for $12M (45x) In the last seven years of the Blank regime we have: Gone 49-59 (.454) Had two playoff berths Had one SB appearance A $2.6B valuation on a $545M purchase (5x) Charles Wright, Flying Falcon, PokerSteve and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Old Pappy Falcon* Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 1 minute ago, FalconFanSince1970 said: For those of you bustin on the Smiths you have to realize they had an expansion team. It takes years to get an expansion team off the ground. They did bring us several key players like Bart, Andrews, Tuggle, Nobis, Deion, Jam, Dunn, Riggs, Vick, Mort, Case, Rison, Crump, Van Note, Kenn, Claude, Roddy, Mud Duck, Whitfield, Fralic, White Shoes, Haynes, Kerney, Brooking, Chandler, Heyward, Hinton, Rossum, Mathis, Miller, Jenkins, Mitchell, Big Play Ray and more. If you think they were bad consider this. In their last seven years they: Went 49-63 (.438) Had two playoff berths Had one SB appearance Sold the team for $545M after purchasing it for $12M (45x) In the last seven years of the Blank regime we have: Gone 49-59 (.454) Had two playoff berths Had one SB appearance A $2.6B valuation on a $545M purchase (5x) That's the only important stats I like. Flying Falcon 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flying Falcon Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 1 minute ago, FalconFanSince1970 said: For those of you bustin on the Smiths you have to realize they had an expansion team. It takes years to get an expansion team off the ground. They did bring us several key players like Bart, Andrews, Tuggle, Nobis, Deion, Jam, Dunn, Riggs, Vick, Mort, Case, Rison, Crump, Van Note, Kenn, Claude, Roddy, Mud Duck, Whitfield, Fralic, White Shoes, Haynes, Kerney, Brooking, Chandler, Heyward, Hinton, Rossum, Mathis, Miller, Jenkins, Mitchell, Big Play Ray and more. If you think they were bad consider this. In their last seven years they: Went 49-63 (.438) Had two playoff berths Had one SB appearance Sold the team for $545M after purchasing it for $12M (45x) In the last seven years of the Blank regime we have: Gone 49-59 (.454) Had two playoff berths Had one SB appearance A $2.6B valuation on a $545M purchase (5x) Thanks Old Tymer!!! FalconFanSince1970 and *Old Pappy Falcon* 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Old Pappy Falcon* Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 36 minutes ago, marvinthemartian said: Truth is, none of us really know the inner dynamics of what goes on behind closed doors. All we can do is guess. In the end, that’s all it is....guesswork. Marv, Sometimes we don't have to know.......we see it on the field. Tells the story if you pay close attention. PokerSteve, Charles Wright and Flying Falcon 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATLSlobberKnockers Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 1 hour ago, marvinthemartian said: I am well aware of the Braves. They are winning despite Liberty Media not because of them. They have a good front office and scouts. But Liberty writes the checks and they have a hard, self imposed budget limit that may very well end up costing the Braves players who could be the difference between a championship and a first round playoff exit. Moneyball PokerSteve, Charles Wright and *Old Pappy Falcon* 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Old Pappy Falcon* Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 1 minute ago, ATLSlobberKnockers said: Moneyball Steve Bartkowski lol in the middle. Ferrell ATLSlobberKnockers 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeorgiaBoyz Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 Y’all love comparing shlt to shlt & debating which is better . Same thing when People say “Matt is the best QB in franchise history.” That wouldn’t be hard to be . Lmfaooo . Arthur “Falcon For Life” Blank is a problem . Charles Wright 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vandy Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 Behind Ted Turner, Blank is 2nd best owner in Atlanta sports history. rounz, marvinthemartian and ATLSlobberKnockers 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marvinthemartian Posted November 30, 2019 Author Share Posted November 30, 2019 1 hour ago, shc said: You could apply that same logic to Dan Quinn. He’s a good coach, who’s made some mistakes, but we’ve had worse. See how how that works? Coaches and owners are apples and oranges. See how how that works?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marvinthemartian Posted November 30, 2019 Author Share Posted November 30, 2019 22 minutes ago, GeorgiaBoyz said: Y’all love comparing shlt to shlt & debating which is better . Same thing when People say “Matt is the best QB in franchise history.” That wouldn’t be hard to be . Lmfaooo . Arthur “Falcon For Life” Blank is a problem . Then go put several billion of your own money and show us what good looks like. rounz and Vandy 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vandy Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 25 minutes ago, GeorgiaBoyz said: Y’all love comparing shlt to shlt & debating which is better . Same thing when People say “Matt is the best QB in franchise history.” That wouldn’t be hard to be . Lmfaooo . Arthur “Falcon For Life” Blank is a problem . And ya’ll love pointing fingers at the wrong folks during a bad season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marvinthemartian Posted November 30, 2019 Author Share Posted November 30, 2019 18 minutes ago, Vandy said: Behind Ted Turner, Blank is 2nd best owner in Atlanta sports history. Turner ended up the best owner in Atlanta sports history. But he did not start that way. It took him awhile to figure it out. Once he hired Cox and Schuerholz and let them run things he was great. I hope Mr Blank learns from that. Charles Wright, Vandy and BUBBASBEANS 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1989Fan Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 32 minutes ago, GeorgiaBoyz said: Y’all love comparing shlt to shlt & debating which is better . Same thing when People say “Matt is the best QB in franchise history.” That wouldn’t be hard to be . Lmfaooo . Arthur “Falcon For Life” Blank is a problem . Matt would arguably be the best QB in quite a few franchises. HOU, CAR, JAX, PHI, ATL, TB, BAL, CLE, DET, CHI, CIN, WAS (I am at risk of forgetting some old timer QBs but did consider Esiason, Rypien, Cunningham, Jaworski, McMahon) i May be off on a Bobby Layne of DET, not sure exactly how good he was, but know he is an old time HOF QB In the 50s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeorgiaBoyz Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 16 minutes ago, marvinthemartian said: Then go put several billion of your own money and show us what good looks like. You sound like a fuvkin idiot . Lol . Just because I don’t agree with a billionaire I should put up my own . Cheap Reply , No substance , etc . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vafalconfan Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 A lot of younger fans don't remember the Smith family..those were dark days. Hopeless and amateurish bad decisions by people who knew nothing about pro football. Blank is not perfect, but he's a smart dude who will eventually get the right people. marvinthemartian and *Old Pappy Falcon* 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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