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Don't You DARE Blame the Offensive Line!!!

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A few years back, Adrian Clayborne, a solid but unspectacular DE, had six sacks against the Cowboys and a backup left tackle. 

My take on that was this:  The first sack or so you give credit to Clayborne.  The next sack you have to blame the Tackle.  But by the time you get to four freakin' sacks, it is `ALL ABOUT THE COACHING.  Because you KNOW you have a problem.  You KNOW your guys can't stop their guy.  It is YOUR JOB TO FIX THAT PROBLEM FIRST. You can't compete if you don't.

An NFL Team should never ever ever give up 9 (10?) sacks.  Even if it was "Only" 9, Ryan was running for his life over and over again.  It was pretty obvious pretty early that there was a PROBLEM.  There is NO WAY a fatigued defense that has faced 70 plus plays should be getting that kind of pressure on the quarterback, yet Matt was STILL getting mauled on the final drive. 

Put a sixth Offensive Lineman out there.  Move a Tight End to the backfield.  Create multiple safety valves.  RUN A FREAKIN SCREEN PLAY to keep them honest!!!!! Block with 8 and put only two guys on routes.  At least there will be a chance.

But do NOT watch your line get beat over and over and over again and do NOTHING to alter the situation.  It is the very definition of insanity.

ONE more thing:  What the FREAK were they doing on fourth and goal from the one yard line and 30 seconds left in the 1st quarter.  It's the end of a long drive.  The defense is gassed.  You don't need to THINK about going for it or not.  You don't need to THINK about what play you call.  You make those decisions on TUESDAY (Monday this week.)  Once you wait, you HAVE to kick!!!  The defense has rested for three or four minutes.  They are fresh and ready.  The fifth best play you run against a tired defense is better than your best play against a fresh one.  So ANTICIPATE the situation.  Get to the line of scrimmage before the defense can recover and get set.  And RUN THE PLAY!!  That's what the Saints do.  That's what the Patriots.  That's what WELL coached teams DO.

The falcons left three points on the board with that idiocy.  One point on the missed PAT.  Three points on the missed field goal.  One point on the missed two point conversion. 

How many points did they lose by again?

Happy Thanksgiving to everyone except Quinn and Koetter.

OK, another one more thing.  Foye is legend.

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^^^^^^^^^^^

Exactly JBo if your line is getting it handed to them you don’t line up 3,4,5 wide and Ryan dropping 5 step plus drops expecting the Oline to hold up.

Its just inept and poor game management.

What is it why doesn’t he keep trying to run the football in the 4th qtr.You do this because it at least allows your olineman to get a little bit of hitting back instead of taking it the whole qtr and half.
 

The underneath as open Saints were playing pass the whole last qtr and what do we do play into there hands it’s just dumb.

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In a nutshell, it boils down to coaching . If someone in your house keeps causing fires, you can blame that person, but ultimately the homeowner has to take a stand and do something about that person: tell them to stop and do better protecting Ryan, threaten them with benching, or replace them OR figure out if it's a scheme issue.

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I don't think people have fully grasped just how clueless Dan Quinn is as a head coach. He really has no idea what he's doing out there. The soon folks grasp this fact the sooner ridiculous displays like we saw tonight will make sense.

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4 minutes ago, Halcon-1 said:

In a nutshell, it boils down to coaching . If someone in your house keeps causing fires, you can blame that person, but ultimately the homeowner has to take a stand and do something about that person: tell them to stop and do better protecting Ryan, threaten them with benching, or replace them OR figure out if it's a scheme issue.

But this has moreless been a problem for a decade+, not just a game or a season.  So, in a nutshell the problem is who is evaluating the talent.  TD can't put together a good OL or DL to save his life.  

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Just now, ATL_666 said:

But this has moreless been a problem for a decade+, not just a game or a season.  So, in a nutshell the problem is who is evaluating the talent.  TD can't put together a good OL or DL to save his life.  

Which is one negative rumor I remember floating around about TD when he first got here. I don't know if it was discussed here on the AFMB back then, but I do remember hearing that buzz in the media. . . . 

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1 minute ago, Halcon-1 said:

Which is one negative rumor I remember floating around about TD when he first got here. I don't know if it was discussed here on the AFMB back then, but I do remember hearing that buzz in the media. . . . 

If I were Blank TD's head would be rolling before DQ's.  

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25 minutes ago, NCFalconfan said:

I don't think people have fully grasped just how clueless Dan Quinn is as a head coach. He really has no idea what he's doing out there. The soon folks grasp this fact the sooner ridiculous displays like we saw tonight will make sense.

Quinn never has a Plan B.   It’s nothing but keep banging your head into the wall.  No adjustments, and stick to the scheme even when it is obvious that it’s not working.

We’re not the worst team in the league, just the dumbest

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9 hours ago, Halcon-1 said:

In a nutshell, it boils down to coaching . If someone in your house keeps causing fires, you can blame that person, but ultimately the homeowner has to take a stand and do something about that person: tell them to stop and do better protecting Ryan, threaten them with benching, or replace them OR figure out if it's a scheme issue.

Maybe the first time, you yell at them.  Once they do it the 2nd time, you know you have pyro so you better get that kid counseling.  In the mean time, you hire a babysitter.  You make sure there are no matches or lighters in the house.  You install a comprehensive sprinkler system.

Point is, it's your JOB to figure out how to protect your house.  Once you know what you've got, it is YOUR FAULT, not the kid's, for getting your house burned down.

So you don't say "do better" after a sack. If they aren't doing their best, they have no business in the NFL.  You have to say, "This is how they are beating you, this is what you should do to counter that."  or "He's beating you to the outside, so we are going to have our TE chip him so he has to go outside but you can commit to stopping that move and not worry about the inside move."  Or "We are going to widen our splits so the outside move will take him so wide Matt can step up or move up and under . . . "

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19 minutes ago, HolyMoses said:

Maybe the first time, you yell at them.  Once they do it the 2nd time, you know you have pyro so you better get that kid counseling.  In the mean time, you hire a babysitter.  You make sure there are no matches or lighters in the house.  You install a comprehensive sprinkler system.

Point is, it's your JOB to figure out how to protect your house.  Once you know what you've got, it is YOUR FAULT, not the kid's, for getting your house burned down.

So you don't say "do better" after a sack. If they aren't doing their best, they have no business in the NFL.  You have to say, "This is how they are beating you, this is what you should do to counter that."  or "He's beating you to the outside, so we are going to have our TE chip him so he has to go outside but you can commit to stopping that move and not worry about the inside move."  Or "We are going to widen our splits so the outside move will take him so wide Matt can step up or move up and under . . . "

Pretty much. . . . . but clearly that is not happening. . . . coaching

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I only blame the guys responsible for:

- drafting two 1st rounders, who both were massive reaches at their draft position

- signing two career underperforming guards for above 6 million/year

- resigning the backup tackle for 7 million/year

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10 hours ago, ATL_666 said:

But this has moreless been a problem for a decade+, not just a game or a season.  So, in a nutshell the problem is who is evaluating the talent.  TD can't put together a good OL or DL to save his life.  

Yep our OL and DL have sucked since TD had to replace players from Mcckay.

Multiple Head coaches, DCs and OCs and the lines have sucked. The only common person is TD.

Its his fault. If it was a coaching issue wed see some differences as we have had a ton of position OC and DC coaches along the lines.

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Our line sucks but we aren't the only team with a terrible line. 9 sacks is just a bad gameplan. I know we were forced to throw the ball the last three drives but we could have mixed things up with protection personnel and concepts, instead of running the exact same single back allignment when our RBs can't block!

Also I haven't seen anyone bring up the once again MORONIC game management by Dan Quinn at the end of the game. Going for two for no reason whatsoever, and kicking the FG on first down AFTER the 2 min warning... I mean it would have made some sense to kick it before the stoppage, so you have an extra time out in case you don't recover the onside kick, but what do you gain by kicking it in that situation when you have a first down at the 30 yard line and you are having a successful drive? Go for the TD, or at least take a few shots before you go for the FG.

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18 minutes ago, Dr Long Shot said:

Our line sucks but we aren't the only team with a terrible line. 9 sacks is just a bad gameplan. I know we were forced to throw the ball the last three drives but we could have mixed things up with protection personnel and concepts, instead of running the exact same single back allignment when our RBs can't block!

Also I haven't seen anyone bring up the once again MORONIC game management by Dan Quinn at the end of the game. Going for two for no reason whatsoever, and kicking the FG on first down AFTER the 2 min warning... I mean it would have made some sense to kick it before the stoppage, so you have an extra time out in case you don't recover the onside kick, but what do you gain by kicking it in that situation when you have a first down at the 30 yard line and you are having a successful drive? Go for the TD, or at least take a few shots before you go for the FG.

How many teams have had terrible OL & DL for over a decade?  Can you think of any besides the Falcons?  Dimitroff has gotta go!

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12 hours ago, HolyMoses said:

A few years back, Adrian Clayborne, a solid but unspectacular DE, had six sacks against the Cowboys and a backup left tackle. 

My take on that was this:  The first sack or so you give credit to Clayborne.  The next sack you have to blame the Tackle.  But by the time you get to four freakin' sacks, it is `ALL ABOUT THE COACHING.  Because you KNOW you have a problem.  You KNOW your guys can't stop their guy.  It is YOUR JOB TO FIX THAT PROBLEM FIRST. You can't compete if you don't.

An NFL Team should never ever ever give up 9 (10?) sacks.  Even if it was "Only" 9, Ryan was running for his life over and over again.  It was pretty obvious pretty early that there was a PROBLEM.  There is NO WAY a defense that has face 70 plus plays should be getting that kind of pressure on the quarterback, yet Matt was STILL getting mauled on the final drive. 

Put a sixth Offensive Lineman out there.  Move a Tight End to the backfield.  Create multiple safety valves.  RUN A FREAKIN SCREEN PLAY to keep them honest!!!!! Block with 8 and put only two guys on routes.  At least there will be a chance.

But do NOT watch your line get beat over and over and over again and do NOTHING to alter the situation.  It is the very definition of insanity.

ONE more thing:  What the FREAK were they doing on fourth and goal from the one yard line and 30 seconds left in the 1st quarter.  It's the end of a long drive.  The defense is gassed.  You don't need to THINK about going for it or not.  You don't need to THINK about what play you call.  You make those decisions on TUESDAY (Monday this week.)  Once you wait, you HAVE to kick!!!  The defense has rested for three or four minutes.  They are fresh and ready.  The fifth best play you run against a tired defense is better than your best play against a fresh one.  So ANTICIPATE the situation.  Get to the line of scrimmage before the defense can recover and get set.  And RUN THE PLAY!!  That's what the Saints do.  That's what the Patriots.  That's what WELL coached teams DO.

The falcons left three points on the board with that idiocy.  One point on the missed PAT.  Three points on the missed field goal.  One point on the missed two point conversion. 

How many points did they lose by again?

Happy Thanksgiving to everyone except Quinn and Koetter.

OK, another one more thing.  Foye is legend.

Bingo. Only a Quinn coached team can look so bad and so good against the same same team 3 weeks apart. The only thing DK got right was staying committed to the run for as long as they could. Once they went down that 3rd score it was open season on the QB and no one raised a finger. 

The only bright spot on offense is that we have quality depth at WR. Limited action, but Blake looks better than many WR2s in the league right now. Gage has proven his skills. Ridley ate an Apple for lunch. Even when you get down to Hardy at the bottom of the barrel, you've got a legit NFL pass catcher. 

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Build the trenches. Build the trenches. Build the trenches. Build the offensive and defensive lines.

Offensive Line
- pass blocking for the QB without constantly requiring all of this extra help
- run blocking - open up lanes 
- offensive linemen who can, from time to time, anticipate stunts

Defensive Line

- at least one great DE at both the pass and run with some good ones
- two great DTs at both the pass and run with some good ones that can rotate
 

From there work outward: LBs and TEs (who can actually block); CBs and RBs; then S and WRs.

A middle of the road QB can even win with this type of drafting and FA signings.

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Build the trenches. Build the trenches. Build the trenches. Build the offensive and defensive lines.

Offensive Line
- pass blocking for the QB without constantly requiring all of this extra help
- run blocking - open up lanes 
- offensive linemen who can, from time to time, anticipate stunts

Defensive Line

- at least one great DE at both the pass and run with some good ones
- two great DTs at both the pass and run with some good ones that can rotate
 

From there work outward: LBs and TEs (who can actually block); CBs and RBs; then S and WRs.

A middle of the road QB can even win with this type of drafting and FA signings.

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12 hours ago, ChickenBiscuit said:

Scheme and McGary got Ryan killed tonight.

You'd think if you have a statue in the pocket that you'd at least want to protect him..right? This offensive line is pathetic, and so are the adjustments.

DK and DQ have to go.

@Vandy see this^

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