Dr Long Shot Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 Brian Hill: 2.8 YPC Qadree Ollison: 2.6 YPC Freeman: 3.5 YPC For those criticizing Freeman before he went down, calling him "done"... what does that make Brian Hill and Ollison? THEHEADCOACH, Lethal and Ergo Proxy 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tribal Chief Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 inexperienced. SkerFalcon8710, Optimus_Cr1m35, papachaz and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lethal Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 1 minute ago, Dr Long Shot said: Brian Hill: 2.8 YPC Qadree Ollison: 2.6 YPC Freeman: 3.5 YPC For those criticizing Freeman before he went down, calling him "done"... what does that make Brian Hill and Ollison? Preaching to the choir, but those guys want to ignore oline and scheme and pin it on one guy so...this should be a fun thread. I'm sure our resident Tevin stan is drafting a reply as we speak. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Califalcon0013 Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 He hasnt been but we do need a change of pace back and better guards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Long Shot Posted November 25, 2019 Author Share Posted November 25, 2019 1 minute ago, athell said: Preaching to the choir, but those guys want to ignore oline and scheme and pin it on one guy so...this should be a fun thread. I'm sure our resident Tevin stan is drafting a reply as we speak. Tevin Coleman 3.9 Y/A. Losing touches to Mostert. Lethal, Ergo Proxy and PokerSteve 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Long Shot Posted November 25, 2019 Author Share Posted November 25, 2019 TATF three weeks ago "What is Quinn thinking, we should be giving the young backs a chance, they could easily put up Freeman's production at the very least". Me today: I miss Freeman. falconsd56 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lethal Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 1 minute ago, Dr Long Shot said: Tevin Coleman 3.9 Y/A. Losing touches to Mostert. 3 minutes ago, athell said: Preaching to the choir papachaz 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimus_Cr1m35 Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 5 minutes ago, Dr Long Shot said: Brian Hill: 2.8 YPC Qadree Ollison: 2.6 YPC Freeman: 3.5 YPC For those criticizing Freeman before he went down, calling him "done"... what does that make Brian Hill and Ollison? Freeman is done. Oline had a horrible game. Both things can be true. PokerSteve, Boise Falcon Fan and *Old Pappy Falcon* 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FinalScore2.0 Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 Koetter still believes he can run at the heart of a defense and get decent results. Decent to him is one or two yards. Softening up that front with screens, utilizing the TE more, draw plays, using the pass to set up the run.... Nah. Koetter is experienced. He knows what he wants. PokerSteve 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tribal Chief Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 3 minutes ago, athell said: Preaching to the choir, but those guys want to ignore oline and scheme and pin it on one guy so...this should be a fun thread. I'm sure our resident Tevin stan is drafting a reply as we speak. Problem with this is when some of us pointed this out last season we were told not to make excuses and that Coleman simply sucks yet ironically this season those same exact guys are saying the same thing for Freeman so hey, it goes both ways ya know. you throw 2 guys who have been inactive all season into the fire while the O-line is playing like crap and people actually expected different results? Problem is the hype surrounding Freeman with his "vision" and ability to create plays on his own even with a bad line and his fan boys saying he still had it and didn't have to prove himself. Freeman has shown bursts(and absolutely nothing else) but far from the player that got him paid. PokerSteve, papachaz, Andrews_31 and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Long Shot Posted November 25, 2019 Author Share Posted November 25, 2019 1 minute ago, Optimus_Cr1m35 said: Freeman is done. Oline had a horrible game. Both things can be true. Oline has had horrible run blocking games virtually every game this year outside of maybe 1 or 2 exceptions. Freeman was doing a lot more out there with the same crap blocking than Hill or Ollison. That's a fact. Even the game Freeman went down, we were having success on the ground until Hill went in. Then the YPA plummeted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lethal Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 4 minutes ago, ya_boi_j said: Problem with this is when some of us pointed this out last season we were told not to make excuses and that Coleman simply sucks yet ironically this season those same exact guys are saying the same thing for Freeman so hey, it goes both ways ya know. you throw 2 guys who have been inactive all season into the fire while the O-line is playing like crap and people actually expected different results? Problem is the hype surrounding Freeman with his "vision" and ability to create plays on his own even with a bad line and his fan boys saying he still had it and didn't have to prove himself. Freeman has shown bursts(and absolutely nothing else) but far from the player that got him paid. Whoever said Coleman simply sucks can safely be ignored. Freeman of old is still there, I agree he is not himself yet, but he is still in there. RBs cannot do everything on their own, even the best backs rely on SOME blocking in front of them of which we have had next to none since '16. Tribal Chief 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tribal Chief Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 6 minutes ago, athell said: Whoever said Coleman simply sucks can safely be ignored. Freeman of old is still there, I agree he is not himself yet, but he is still in there. RBs cannot do everything on their own, even the best backs rely on SOME blocking in front of them of which we have had next to none since '16. Trust me they get ignored every single day The biggest issue here on the message board are the people who said don't make excuses for one while praising the other yet those same exact are preaching the same and that part is overlooked. There are only a babies hand full of running backs in the league that can make something out of nothing when 100% healthy. By babies hand full I mean a 6 month old that can't hold anything but their bottle papachaz and Lethal 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lethal Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 2 minutes ago, ya_boi_j said: Trust me they get ignored every single day The biggest issue here on the message board are the people who said don't make excuses for one while praising the other yet those same exact are preaching the same and that part is overlooked. There are only a babies hand full of running backs in the league that can make something out of nothing when 100% healthy. By babies hand full I mean a 6 month old that can't hold anything but their bottle I hear you and it's what drives me nuts about this place the most. The agendas and narratives. If only we could have real, non-biased football talk here. It would be so amazing. Tribal Chief 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tribal Chief Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 2 minutes ago, athell said: I hear you and it's what drives me nuts about this place the most. The agendas and narratives. If only we could have real, non-biased football talk here. It would be so amazing. No such thing exists here outside of a few people. Half don’t even give real thought out opinions, just copy and paste clips from articles and links that support what they’re saying lol. Lethal, papachaz and falconsd56 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boise Falcon Fan Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 26 minutes ago, Dr Long Shot said: Brian Hill: 2.8 YPC Qadree Ollison: 2.6 YPC Freeman: 3.5 YPC For those criticizing Freeman before he went down, calling him "done"... what does that make Brian Hill and Ollison? Freeman is done, and our line isn't getting the job done. Both can be/are true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JD dirtybird21 Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 It's not the backs or the o-line. It's the scheme Lethal and papachaz 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lethal Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 1 minute ago, Boise Falcon Fan said: Freeman is done, and our line isn't getting the job done. Both can be/are true. Not saying you are wrong necessarily, but what is your view of the games where our lines did decent in run blocking? ie Ten and Indy? Freeman rushed for 4.6 and 5.5 ypc respectively. I still think Devonta Freeman can be a very productive back in this league, so I do not really buy the "done" narrative, but he does seem to need more space from his line than in years past but you can say that for a lot of backs. He is still averaging more than Michel, Montgomery, Bell, etc. Scheme matters. Blocking matters. If you didn't watch that San Fran/GB game last night you would see just how great of an offensive mind Shanny is and how much we miss that. THEHEADCOACH and kiwifalcon 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boise Falcon Fan Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 Just now, athell said: Not saying you are wrong necessarily, but what is your view of the games where our lines did decent in run blocking? ie Ten and Indy? Freeman rushed for 4.6 and 5.5 ypc respectively. I still think Devonta Freeman can be a very productive back in this league, so I do not really buy the "done" narrative, but he does seem to need more space from his line than in years past but you can say that for a lot of backs. He is still averaging more than Michel, Montgomery, Bell, etc. Scheme matters. Blocking matters. If you didn't watch that San Fran/GB game last night you would see just how great of an offensive mind Shanny is and how much we miss that. Honestly, I hate the way he runs, and I hate the way he doesn't finish runs anymore. I'm tired of watching him have a potential first down in front of him, and instead, he dances around and loses a couple. I just don't think he is that good, and I hope we move on from him. Lethal 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lethal Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 Just now, Boise Falcon Fan said: Honestly, I hate the way he runs, and I hate the way he doesn't finish runs anymore. I'm tired of watching him have a potential first down in front of him, and instead, he dances around and loses a couple. I just don't think he is that good, and I hope we move on from him. Well, I also think that he realized if he wanted to remain in this league for a bit he had to change his play style. I LOVED watching him finish his runs, it was honestly some of the best running I have ever seen out of any of our backs, but it took it's toll on him and his body. I have said it before, he HAS the agility to make people miss, his early years reminded me of some Barry Sanders lite stuff, but he just hasn't been able to transition to that fully. I do think he can be that good again, but not in this scheme and not with this coordinator. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THEHEADCOACH Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 Been trying to tell folks this. A running back needs a hole and a chance. Good spacing. You give free that, he can still eat. If he was with the niners right now, everyone would be singing the blues about him and complaining about Teco. Lethal, Andrews_31 and 1989Fan 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caponine Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 8 minutes ago, ya_boi_j said: Problem with this is when some of us pointed this out last season we were told not to make excuses and that Coleman simply sucks yet ironically this season those same exact guys are saying the same thing for Freeman so hey, it goes both ways ya know. you throw 2 guys who have been inactive all season into the fire while the O-line is playing like crap and people actually expected different results? Problem is the hype surrounding Freeman with his "vision" and ability to create plays on his own even with a bad line and his fan boys saying he still had it and didn't have to prove himself. Freeman has shown bursts(and absolutely nothing else) but far from the player that got him paid. Lol!! he moves the goal post so much. Lol he is doing the exact same thing he falsely accused me of doing. He has me on ignore and still felt the need to say something directed at me. He is a hypocrite. He has literally said Coleman sucked many times. I think you need to have a talk with your mans. He comes at everybody but he cant own what he says. He is a hypocrite papachaz 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesus Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 If Freeman is cut in the off-season it won't be because of performance. It'll be because cost or because the new coaching staff will want a different type of back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrews_31 Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 41 minutes ago, ya_boi_j said: Problem with this is when some of us pointed this out last season we were told not to make excuses and that Coleman simply sucks yet ironically this season those same exact guys are saying the same thing for Freeman so hey, it goes both ways ya know. you throw 2 guys who have been inactive all season into the fire while the O-line is playing like crap and people actually expected different results? Problem is the hype surrounding Freeman with his "vision" and ability to create plays on his own even with a bad line and his fan boys saying he still had it and didn't have to prove himself. Freeman has shown bursts(and absolutely nothing else) but far from the player that got him paid. You know a mod threatened to ban me for pointing this out last season? Tribal Chief and papachaz 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis York Morgan Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 22 minutes ago, JD dirtybird21 said: It's not the backs or the o-line. It's the scheme Koetter blows. There's a reason his run game always sucks while other guys - Shanny being the obvious and salient one - always have something good. JD dirtybird21 and Lethal 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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