poutlipper Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 Obviously these two are going to be hot names, but I think these two allow us to avoid a "rebuild" and give us a chance to compete in 2020. Saleh is having a LOT of success in SF(first rounders across the defensive line help). But he's been a coordinator for 3 years now, has been a part of some pretty good defenses(SF, Jacksonville, Seattle, and Houston). Probably not much different in scheme from what we went after with Quinn. Then you have Mike LaFleur. Has been with Shanahan and his brother since 2014 in Cleveland. His next step is a coordinator position. But he was part of the 2016 run with us. Has been working in that scheme for 6 years now. After the Carolina game, I was thinking Quinn might be able to save his job. The players like him and he's had success. Unfortunately, the Super Bowl collapse, the failed replacements at OC(Sark was better than DK), and then this season's completely failure, I don't think anyone really thinks keeping him is for the better at this point. So why not bring in two guys who can change the culture to what we wanted it to be in 2015, without the stigma over their heads? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rings Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 I like Saleh a lot, but I don't want another defensive minded HC. If you land a great offensive minded HC and get a good DC, you can have that combo together for a long time as OC's are getting promoted over DC's at a 19-7 ratio over the last four years. PapaJoe, Fernando C., shock and 10 others 13 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poutlipper Posted November 25, 2019 Author Share Posted November 25, 2019 1 minute ago, Rings said: I like Saleh a lot, but I don't want another defensive minded HC. If you land a great offensive minded HC and get a good DC, you can have that combo together for a long time as OC's are getting promoted over DC's at a 19-7 ratio over the last four years. Oh for sure, I don't disagree necessarily. But, when I look at our situation in hindsight, the mistake in my opinion was going after Sarkisian instead of LaFleur for the coordinator. If we promote from within and try to keep that tree here in Atlanta, we have more consistency offensively. Even if we lose our coordinators. Chitown2ATL_Falcon and Rings 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeg272 Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 (edited) Nevermind. I was thinking wrong lafleur Edited November 25, 2019 by mikeg272 poutlipper 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JD dirtybird21 Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 11 minutes ago, Rings said: I like Saleh a lot, but I don't want another defensive minded HC. If you land a great offensive minded HC and get a good DC, you can have that combo together for a long time as OC's are getting promoted over DC's at a 19-7 ratio over the last four years. What he said. Lets have Ryan under the same offensive play caller for the rest of his career Joey563, Rings, Ergo Proxy and 3 others 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poutlipper Posted November 25, 2019 Author Share Posted November 25, 2019 3 minutes ago, JD dirtybird21 said: What he said. Lets have Ryan under the same offensive play caller for the rest of his career So if we went for an offensive minded head coach, who do we go for? McDaniels? Stefanski? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poutlipper Posted November 25, 2019 Author Share Posted November 25, 2019 14 minutes ago, mikeg272 said: Nevermind. I was thinking wrong lafleur Sorry, I'm referring to his younger brother who is still with KS in San Fran. mikeg272 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rings Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 1 minute ago, poutlipper said: Sorry, I'm referring to his younger brother who is still with KS in San Fran. Mike poutlipper 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JD dirtybird21 Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 6 minutes ago, poutlipper said: So if we went for an offensive minded head coach, who do we go for? McDaniels? Stefanski? Yea, maybe Kubiak. Even McCarthy isn’t a bad idea Ergo Proxy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poutlipper Posted November 25, 2019 Author Share Posted November 25, 2019 1 minute ago, JD dirtybird21 said: Yea, maybe Kubiak. Even McCarthy isn’t a bad idea I know Kubiak said he had no interest in being a head coach again, maybe getting him for a coordinator position would be a possibility. But to me that hire seems more a let Kubiak run his own offense, and leaves us with a defensive minded HC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JD dirtybird21 Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 6 minutes ago, poutlipper said: I know Kubiak said he had no interest in being a head coach again, maybe getting him for a coordinator position would be a possibility. But to me that hire seems more a let Kubiak run his own offense, and leaves us with a defensive minded HC. You never know man. Money talks. So does power Ergo Proxy, poutlipper and Vandy 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rings Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 Just now, JD dirtybird21 said: Yea, maybe Kubiak. Even McCarthy isn’t a bad idea I'm personally not a McCarthy fan. I feel like he didn't adapt well with the times and had a lot of stubborn tendencies, but that's just me. I feel like we have seen what our personnel looks like in an early 2000's style offense with Dirk, I want someone who is going to bring something new to 2020. Jerz 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rings Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 1 minute ago, poutlipper said: I know Kubiak said he had no interest in being a head coach again, maybe getting him for a coordinator position would be a possibility. But to me that hire seems more a let Kubiak run his own offense, and leaves us with a defensive minded HC. In that scenario I wouldn't hate it because we would have no risk of losing Kubiak to a HC gig, it just would be how long he would want to coach. Ergo Proxy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JD dirtybird21 Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 6 minutes ago, Rings said: I'm personally not a McCarthy fan. I feel like he didn't adapt well with the times and had a lot of stubborn tendencies, but that's just me. I feel like we have seen what our personnel looks like in an early 2000's style offense with Dirk, I want someone who is going to bring something new to 2020. A couple things...because I wasn’t a big McCarthy fan either. But, I admire that he’s taken the season off and has been studying the game and adapting to be a HC coach again. That shows that he’s actually willing to learn from his mistakes and evolve with the game rather than “stubbornly” think his way is perfect. Also, I think his relationship with Rodgers was pretty rough and he unfortunately had to be the fall guy. Rodgers seems like a very tough player to coach. Rodgers is pretty arrogant and stubborn himself. Ryan however is one of the most coachable QB’s in the league. Rather than fight McCarthy, he would actually support him and echo his message to the team. Is Ryan as talented as Rodgers? No. But he does seem like the better QB for McCarthy. PapaJoe, Ergo Proxy, poutlipper and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rings Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 1 minute ago, JD dirtybird21 said: A couple things...because I wasn’t a big McCarthy fan either. But, I admire that he’s taken the season off and has been studying the game and adapting to be a HC coach again. That shows that he’s actually willing to learn from his mistakes and evolve with the game rather than “stubbornly” think his way is perfect. Also, I think his relationship with Rodgers was pretty rough and he unfortunately had to be the fall guy. Rodgers seems like a very tough player to coach. Rodgers is pretty arrogant and stubborn himself. Ryan however is one of the most coachable QB’s in the league. Rather than fight McCarthy, he would actually support him and echo his message to the team. Is Ryan as talented as Rodgers? No. But he does seem like the better QB for McCarthy. I can respect that. This is likely the last HC Ryan/Julio combo will have, we can't afford to miss. Ergo Proxy and poutlipper 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JD dirtybird21 Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 1 minute ago, Rings said: I can respect that. This is likely the last HC Ryan/Julio combo will have, we can't afford to miss. I don’t know if he’s the right guy or not. But I wouldn’t be mad if that’s the route we go Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poutlipper Posted November 25, 2019 Author Share Posted November 25, 2019 2 minutes ago, Rings said: I can respect that. This is likely the last HC Ryan/Julio combo will have, we can't afford to miss. I think that's the big thing for me. I want someone who is obviously going to have success the next 3-5 years, but also able to make that transition to the new QB when the time comes. I look at how Andy Reid was able to move from Smith to Mahomes, and I want to have someone that is going to be able to do that so that we hopefully don't miss a beat. I don't want that off year while we look for a new QB, I want that guy that can sit on the bench for a year or two and then takeover. Domed Outter 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JD dirtybird21 Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 3 minutes ago, poutlipper said: I think that's the big thing for me. I want someone who is obviously going to have success the next 3-5 years, but also able to make that transition to the new QB when the time comes. I look at how Andy Reid was able to move from Smith to Mahomes, and I want to have someone that is going to be able to do that so that we hopefully don't miss a beat. I don't want that off year while we look for a new QB, I want that guy that can sit on the bench for a year or two and then takeover. That will only work if the HC is an ELITE offensive mind OR if the QB we draft is essentially just like Ryan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fernando C. Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 George Paton and Stefanski for HC... let him bring the young Kubiak to be OC and old Kubiak to be a consultant.. as for DC I really wouldn't mind Morris ... Ergo Proxy, Chitown2ATL_Falcon and FalconDawg28 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Osiruz Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 Heres my HC shopping list: 1. Jimmy Harbaugh 2. McCarthy 3. David Shaw 4. Rex Ryan 5. Lincoln Riley. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boise Falcon Fan Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 I like you're top 3 Osiruz, but my list would have Shaw at the top. Refried Beans 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
octoslash Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 11 hours ago, JD dirtybird21 said: Is Ryan as talented as Rodgers? No. Well I sure wouldn't have wanted Rodgers yesterday lol. 103 yards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Osiruz Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 To answer this thread no to Saleh and Lefleur. Saleh is not that good, and LeFleur is too inexperienced. I would look at Jay Gruden first as he runs a similar scheme to Shanny. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
federicofalcon2 Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 13 hours ago, poutlipper said: Obviously these two are going to be hot names, but I think these two allow us to avoid a "rebuild" and give us a chance to compete in 2020. Saleh is having a LOT of success in SF(first rounders across the defensive line help). But he's been a coordinator for 3 years now, has been a part of some pretty good defenses(SF, Jacksonville, Seattle, and Houston). Probably not much different in scheme from what we went after with Quinn. Then you have Mike LaFleur. Has been with Shanahan and his brother since 2014 in Cleveland. His next step is a coordinator position. But he was part of the 2016 run with us. Has been working in that scheme for 6 years now. After the Carolina game, I was thinking Quinn might be able to save his job. The players like him and he's had success. Unfortunately, the Super Bowl collapse, the failed replacements at OC(Sark was better than DK), and then this season's completely failure, I don't think anyone really thinks keeping him is for the better at this point. So why not bring in two guys who can change the culture to what we wanted it to be in 2015, without the stigma over their heads? As much as people didn't like Sark, I was hoping that we would have kept him because Ryan was at least successful in his second year with him and if we keep with the "injuries prevented this defense from succeeding" we wouldn't have had to had Ryan adjust to a new scheme and it would have been consistency for this offense instead of starting over again, which we will have to do AGAIN next year. In the scenario Mike LaFleur makes sense if someone is looking to keep this offense style going again IMO poutlipper 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
federicofalcon2 Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 (edited) 35 minutes ago, octoslash said: Well I sure wouldn't have wanted Rodgers yesterday lol. 103 yards We will find out in a few weeks when Ryan is up against them, if Rodgers just played poorly or the SF defense was just that good. I'm hoping that since I'm on the West Coast and so many SF fans here, we can win that game, but I just don't think it was just Rodgers fault last night. Edited November 25, 2019 by federicofalcon2 Submitted too early Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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