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@FalconsIn2012, I think, first noted this line from an ESPN article about Quinn's coaching changes: "Quinn had to sell Blank on altering some aspect of his program in hopes of triggering a spark.

I don't think anything about this is a conspiracy.  I'm commenting on a line in an ESPN article that makes no sense at all: "Quinn had to sell Blank on altering some aspect of his program in hope

Either that or someone else is possibly calling offensive plays right now

Not saying I agree or disagree with you op, but I've always wondered myself if Blank was too hands on, or as you said, a micro manager.  Seems like I remember Kyle S mentioning having a lot of control over the team in SF when the reports came out he was leaving the Falcons.  Could be another sign about Blank being more hands on that we are led to believe as fans. 

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6 minutes ago, Francis York Morgan said:

Can't listen now. Don't suppose you'd like to give Cliffnotes?

Here's the article from 92.9 the Game

The Atlanta Falcons look like a completely different team, at least defensively, than one before the bye-week.

One of the things that is going to be interesting to monitor in the Falcons final six games is how is coach Dan Quinn going to be judged?

If things continue to go well, does he get more credit for fixing it or more blame for it going bad in the first place?

"You should be judged on the entire body of work," Jason Butt of The Athletic said.

The narrative of whether Coach Quinn would keep his job has changed in the last two weeks after blowout wins against the New Orleans Saints and Carolina Panthers on the road.

"If they wind up going 6-2, 7-1 over this last stretch, you know, I think anything's on the table quite honestly," Butt continued.

"On top of that, I think more so than any of the previous coaches that have worked for Arthur Blank; Arthur Blank really, really likes Dan Quinn and trusts Dan Quinn."

"Part of me wonders or thinks that if there's a way that he can go about not firing Dan Quinn, he will definitely go that path."

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I have often wondered how much AB has been meddling with the football ops. I think he is way more involved than he should be, and of course the people aren’t in a position to tell him to kick rocks. I think he generally stays out of the way, but occasionally dictates what is going to happen, and figures TD, Quinn and co will have to make it work. I know this isn’t necessarily a big deal, but I absolutely hate it when I see him pacing the sideline during the 4th quarter of games. Just stay the **** out of the way and let those people do their jobs, without having an owner hovering over them like a disgruntled Angel of Death.

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17 minutes ago, FalconsIn2012 said:

Bump..

@JDaveG....looks like we aren’t as dumb as most thought

McKay stepping in to take some of AB's responsibilities is another notch in this "conspiracy," and it might be for the best, as much as I dislike the guy. And DK still hasn't been mentioned as safe in all this hullabaloo. If he's fired, it's as good as confirmed imho.

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14 minutes ago, Francis York Morgan said:

McKay stepping in to take some of AB's responsibilities is another notch in this "conspiracy," and it might be for the best, as much as I dislike the guy. And DK still hasn't been mentioned as safe in all this hullabaloo. If he's fired, it's as good as confirmed imho.

You saw that as well..I had to chuckle.  We heard more from McKay in five minutes than  we have the last four years

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On 11/19/2019 at 5:25 AM, JDaveG said:

@FalconsIn2012, I think, first noted this line from an ESPN article about Quinn's coaching changes:

 

Remember back to 2013/2014.  Look at the defense specifically.  We brought in Nolan, a 3-4 specialist who like to attack up front and use a blitzing, attacking style from that 3-4 front to create chaos.  As we saw against Denver in 2012 or 2013 (I forget which), it can work pretty well.  But in 2014 in particular, we heard a lot about the Falcons defense being "multiple." 

I've never liked the idea of having an existing coaching staff try to start mimicking the newest football scheme fad. You have to make roster changes, and then even if you get that right somehow overnight, you have to cross your fingers that the coaches you have can implement it correctly and call the right plays within it. Most likely what you have as a result, is you get it into place right about the time most of the league has said scheme figured out, and you're starting all over again. Wasn't this also the time that we mysteriously decided out of the blue to be the Atlanta Wannabe Packers? So we had no identity on EITHER side of the ball, and it cost Smitty his job. Which is OK, because I think his ceiling as a HC was a "make the playoffs" guy. What I have a problem with, is him being a HC, and being force fed a narrative he was ill-equipped to use and then got canned for not completing some sort of football witchcraft to make it work. If you don't trust the dude to do his own thing, just stop playing Puppet Master and do it yourself.

I think you and I may have touched on this before, but I have mentioned that I think the #1 thing keeping this team from a SB is AB. If he was a former player, coach, etc., maybe his meddling wouldn't be all that bad. To me, he's kind of a slightly less sh!tty Skeletor. If I was a HC candidate, Atlanta and Dallas are two hookers I wouldn't even bang with a stolen rubber, because I am guaranteed not to have autonomy. Being a HC is hard enough without having some owner getting in the middle of things and complicating them.

As far as Quinn goes, I agree with you that his stuff CAN work, but he still has a DC ceiling. Feel free to disagree, but he is still a bumbling twit when it comes to game/clock management, etc. A timeout assistant? R U ****ing serious!?

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2 minutes ago, Pacific_Falcon said:

I've never liked the idea of having an existing coaching staff try to start mimicking the newest football scheme fad. You have to make roster changes, and then even if you get that right somehow overnight, you have to cross your fingers that the coaches you have can implement it correctly and call the right plays within it. Most likely what you have as a result, is you get it into place right about the time most of the league has said scheme figured out, and you're starting all over again. Wasn't this also the time that we mysteriously decided out of the blue to be the Atlanta Wannabe Packers? So we had no identity on EITHER side of the ball, and it cost Smitty his job. Which is OK, because I think his ceiling as a HC was a "make the playoffs" guy. What I have a problem with, is him being a HC, and being force fed a narrative he was ill-equipped to use and then got canned for not completing some sort of football witchcraft to make it work. If you don't trust the dude to do his own thing, just stop playing Puppet Master and do it yourself.

I think you and I may have touched on this before, but I have mentioned that I think the #1 thing keeping this team from a SB is AB. If he was a former player, coach, etc., maybe his meddling wouldn't be all that bad. To me, he's kind of a slightly less sh!tty Skeletor. If I was a HC candidate, Atlanta and Dallas are two hookers I wouldn't even bang with a stolen rubber, because I am guaranteed not to have autonomy. Being a HC is hard enough without having some owner getting in the middle of things and complicating them.

As far as Quinn goes, I agree with you that his stuff CAN work, but he still has a DC ceiling. Feel free to disagree, but he is still a bumbling twit when it comes to game/clock management, etc. A timeout assistant? R U ****ing serious!?

I'm okay with him having a TO assistant.  There is so much a HC has to do.  There is nothing at all wrong with having people help provide information to him during the game.

The rest of this I agree with 100%.

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Just now, Pacific_Falcon said:

50% accurate

:ninja:

:lol:

I think what this confirms is Blank has had his hands in the pie too much.  I thought it might be TD, but Blank is just way too involved, and that IMHO is why he's stepping back and letting McKay take over some of that responsibility.

Here's hoping he trusts him.

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Just now, JDaveG said:

I think what this confirms is Blank has had his hands in the pie too much.  I thought it might be TD, but Blank is just way too involved, and that IMHO is why he's stepping back and letting McKay take over some of that responsibility.

Here's hoping he trusts him.

I don't think AB can help himself. I mean, it's kind of common sense if you hire people whose entire job is to do football stuff, and you know a heck of a lot less than them about football, you don't hand them directives and then get torked off at them for not making your half-baked idea work. To be fair, he's a billionaire, so by now, he's probably in the habit of his puppets dancing and expecting zero sass from said puppets. And he probably wouldn't tolerate any other dynamic. I could me off the mark, but that's the impression I get...he's just not capable of checking his ego when it comes to team operations, and it's hamstringing the franchise.

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29 minutes ago, JDaveG said:

I think what this confirms is Blank has had his hands in the pie too much.  I thought it might be TD, but Blank is just way too involved, and that IMHO is why he's stepping back and letting McKay take over some of that responsibility.

Here's hoping he trusts him.

Blank said his role will remain unchanged. He will still remain involved in every decision making aspects of the Falcons.  I guess McKay will help fill the Pioli void?

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