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Tua Tagovailoa - Draft Stock - at what point?

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YES, I am making this Falcons related.    Falcons don’t need a QB anytime soon but no one is drafting this college phenom to play anytime soon.

How far will he fall in the draft?

I don’t see 1st round at all.  Will Tua be selected in 2nd round?  I don’t necessarily think he will be selected there either - he’s not likely to play at all in 2020.  NFL teams desperate for a starting QB immediately aren’t likely to take him.  

At some point the risk/reward see-saw balances out.

If Falcons drafted Tua they would have him under contract for 4 years and maybe he could backup Matty Ice for 3 of those years.  Supreme talent (before this injury).

At some point the juice might be worth the squeeze.   Personally I wouldn’t consider Tua for Falcons in the first two rounds(first 3 picks) and wouldn’t want to take him with that early to mid 3rd rounder - but I might take him there.

I expect this thread to go off like a turd in the punch bowl but someone at some point was gonna start this thread so decided to pre-empt.

Anotjetr argument against Tua would be even if he made full recovery and awesome again - you would always be worried about ankle injuries or loss of mobility.

On the plus side, you get the Matty Ice replacement on the cheap at a time 4 years from now when Matt might be in decline.

What say you?

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Stop mockin and always go BPA when we're on the clock. No matter what round, need or position. Even if we're stacked at that position. Draft like that every year and get deep. Stop trying to fill Dimi holes with rookie saviours. With that said, I don't think dude will drop to our third. 

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Just now, FalconFanSince1970 said:

Stop mockin and always go BPA when we're on the clock. No matter what round, need or position. Even if we're stacked at that position. Draft like that every year and get deep. Stop trying to fill Dimi holes with rookie saviours. With that said, I don't think dude will drop to our third. 

Wow.  You do realize you contradicted your own comments above in the same paragraph.  Tua isn’t a rookie savior - he likely will have to medically redshirt his rookie year.

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10 minutes ago, g-dawg said:

YES, I am making this Falcons related.    Falcons don’t need a QB anytime soon but no one is drafting this college phenom to play anytime soon.

How far will he fall in the draft?

I don’t see 1st round at all.  Will Tua be selected in 2nd round?  I don’t necessarily think he will be selected there either - he’s not likely to play at all in 2020.  NFL teams desperate for a starting QB immediately aren’t likely to take him.  

At some point the risk/reward see-saw balances out.

If Falcons drafted Tua they would have him under contract for 4 years and maybe he could backup Matty Ice for 3 of those years.  Supreme talent (before this injury).

At some point the juice might be worth the squeeze.   Personally I wouldn’t consider Tua for Falcons in the first two rounds(first 3 picks) and wouldn’t want to take him with that early to mid 3rd rounder - but I might take him there.

I expect this thread to go off like a turd in the punch bowl but someone at some point was gonna start this thread so decided to pre-empt.

Anotjetr argument against Tua would be even if he made full recovery and awesome again - you would always be worried about ankle injuries or loss of mobility.

On the plus side, you get the Matty Ice replacement on the cheap at a time 4 years from now when Matt might be in decline.

What say you?

Rnd 4. There's a good.chance he will never be the same

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5 minutes ago, FalconFanSince1970 said:

Stop mockin and always go BPA when we're on the clock. No matter what round, need or position. Even if we're stacked at that position. Draft like that every year and get deep. Stop trying to fill Dimi holes with rookie saviours. With that said, I don't think dude will drop to our third. 

 No one will.ever.agree what the BPA is outside the top.5

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Just now, ATLSlobberKnockers said:

Rnd 4. There's a good.chance he will never be the same

Yeah, I would absolutely make that pick if Tua fell to Rd 4.

My guess would be if he fell to Day 3, there would be a lot of trade up action to get to the first pick of Round 4.

My guess is he goes somewhere in Round 3 to some team - someone will take the chance at that point.

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If he is there when we're on the clock for our 2nd pick of round 2 I'd do it in a heartbeat.  ****, I'd maybe do it with our first 2nd round pick.  Of course this all depends on how his recovery goes.  

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7 minutes ago, g-dawg said:

Wow.  You do realize you contradicted your own comments above in the same paragraph.  Tua isn’t a rookie savior - he likely will have to medically redshirt his rookie year.

Wow. You do realize your third round pipe dream is gonna look asinine when buddy goes in the first or second right?

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7 minutes ago, FalconFanSince1970 said:

Herein lies the problem. Talent evaluators.

 

10 minutes ago, g-dawg said:

Yeah, I would absolutely make that pick if Tua fell to Rd 4.

My guess would be if he fell to Day 3, there would be a lot of trade up action to get to the first pick of Round 4.

My guess is he goes somewhere in Round 3 to some team - someone will take the chance at that point.

Yeah I think he goes 65-72. 

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15 minutes ago, g-dawg said:

 and wouldn’t want to take him with that early to mid 3rd rounder - but I might take him there.

What a talent, but made of glass besides unfortunate and unlikely injury for this sport. He  has toughed out several injury to play at a high level but hip surgery? Did it pop out? Head of femur fracture? Both? Implants/ hardware? Yeesh, NFL MDs will steer clear with recommendation of thumbs down.

Good question, when do you gamble on lottery with so few choices? 4-5th? NE with one of their numerous early rounders? Miami could for sure..

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54 minutes ago, FalconFanSince1970 said:

Stop mockin and always go BPA when we're on the clock. No matter what round, need or position. Even if we're stacked at that position. Draft like that every year and get deep. Stop trying to fill Dimi holes with rookie saviours. With that said, I don't think dude will drop to our third. 

I love that idea.

Then you can have 2 QBs and 4 kickers depending on how your team grades players.

Championship!

:)

 

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I would take Tua in the 2nd without hesitation. I think if healthy (big if I know) hes a legit franchise QB. If Tua looks like he could be the guy then we could trade Matt in year 3 and save ourselves around 20 million to use on other positions. 

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On 11/18/2019 at 9:22 PM, g-dawg said:

Wow.  You do realize you contradicted your own comments above in the same paragraph.  Tua isn’t a rookie savior - he likely will have to medically redshirt his rookie year.

I think he was agreeing with you without even realizing it....:)

If drafting a QB, I would prefer Fromm in Rd 3 over injury-prone Tua in Rd 2. I liked Jake better even before Tua broke down this season. 

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8 minutes ago, Vandy said:

I think he was agreeing with you without even realizing it....:)

If drafting a QB in Rd 3-4, I would prefer Fromm over injury-prone Tua. I liked Jake better even before Tua broke down this season. 

I agree. I like.Fromm better as well. Tua is just too injury prone. Hes not going to hold up through a 16 game season.

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I personally don’t believe he’s going to be a cornerstone franchise QB for a team long term.

Having said that, teams get desperate for QBs when they need one, and he’s one of the shiniest hood ornaments out there, surgery or no. He won’t last past the 10th pick, IMO. 

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