Nino11 Posted November 17, 2019 Author Share Posted November 17, 2019 Just now, GrimeyKidd said: Since the coaching change Quinn has been hands-on with the DL. Hmm. No way Quinn has anything to do with anything good lol. Pass rush looks ferocious but clearly Raheem Morris goin to DB coach is the reason. If not surely Ulbrich calling plays, that he actually splits time with Raheem Morris doing so lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malachore Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 Just now, Nino11 said: 28-3 was in a Super Bowl. Not many clueless coaches teams reach a Super Bowl lol. I’m not saying he has done know wrong but to act like he has done nothing right is ridiculous We can certainly agree on the last part. My biggest issues with him are his coaching choices and obviously w/e happened to the defense this year. I've said it multiple times that it's very hard to believe these last two games are simply a product of him not calling the plays anymore. As someone noted in the GDT the bye week may have a lot to do with it since they switched their base, should have never went to whatever it was to begin with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B_Lo_Touchdowns Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 1 minute ago, Nino11 said: All head coaches call plays now? You ever see a head coach just standing on the sidelines without a call sheet? Looked like he was down there because he won sideline passes to the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faithful Falcon Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 2 minutes ago, Nino11 said: Yeah for Tampa Bay. Actually a pretty decent one. What does that have to do with anything though? He’s responsible for the defensive line while coaching DBs too? You were talking about a defensive backs coach giving a halftime speech. I assume you think that nobody gives Quinn credit. He deserves credit, but also criticism. He's the reason for the decline. When you've fired two DCs, for your defensive failure, and thought you could do better. HCs has to make smart decisions. We were 1-7, with 3 of those games winnable. Pacific_Falcon 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pacific_Falcon Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 Just now, Nino11 said: So Raheem Morris and Ulbrich are responsible for acquiring the players now too? Lol. Who built this current defense if it wasn’t Quinn? No. If you can't debate without putting words in people's mouths to support your narrative, don't bother. He's garbage as a HC. He's been floundering since Shannahan left. My thought about him from the beginning was that he inherited the Legion of Boom and Gus Bradley's system, and got a job he may not be ready for for simply because he managed not to screw up some things that were already in place. He's even dopier than Smitty with game management, timeouts, etc. If you can look at this season and can conclude that he is clearly not in over his head, I don't know what to tell you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconsIn2012 Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 24 minutes ago, falcons007 said: Best thing to happen for this team is DQ to stepping back and let others do the job. Why did it take 9 weeks to make changes. He is redundant at this point. Quinn is still the DC and DL coach. DL has been dominant since moving back to 4-3 Under. The gameplan’s have been exceptional. As Howie Long said in post game, no coach in NFL history has ever made such radical coaching changes mid-season. And to see it pay off so quickly is mind boggling ZoneOne01, THEHEADCOACH and mqg96 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falcanuck Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 You must've missed the part where he doesn't make any sort of play call or decision now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nino11 Posted November 17, 2019 Author Share Posted November 17, 2019 2 minutes ago, Pacific_Falcon said: No. If you can't debate without putting words in people's mouths to support your narrative, don't bother. He's garbage as a HC. He's been floundering since Shannahan left. My thought about him from the beginning was that he inherited the Legion of Boom and Gus Bradley's system, and got a job he may not be ready for for simply because he managed not to screw up some things that were already in place. He's even dopier than Smitty with game management, timeouts, etc. If you can look at this season and can conclude that he is clearly not in over his head, I don't know what to tell you. I didn’t put words in your mouth, you said he’s a defensive coach that can’t build a defense. When guys were sucking it was because he brought players in that sucked (like Takk, Oliver, and Beasley) Yet when adjustments are made and guys start balling it’s because of play calling. Make up your mind. He deserves the same credit for wins or losses is all im saying Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nino11 Posted November 17, 2019 Author Share Posted November 17, 2019 5 minutes ago, Faithful Falcon said: You were talking about a defensive backs coach giving a halftime speech. I assume you think that nobody gives Quinn credit. He deserves credit, but also criticism. He's the reason for the decline. When you've fired two DCs, for your defensive failure, and thought you could do better. HCs has to make smart decisions. We were 1-7, with 3 of those games winnable. I didn’t say he was giving a speech, I said let me know when a player jumps up at half time with a speech in defense of him. And the first time he let go of the DC and took over we went on a Super Bowl run. I don’t blame him for trying to do it again with his job on the line. Didn’t workout so well the second time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nino11 Posted November 17, 2019 Author Share Posted November 17, 2019 4 minutes ago, Falcanuck said: You must've missed the part where he doesn't make any sort of play call or decision now 95% or head coaches don’t call plays, and it was never said he doesn’t make game decisions. He’s the head coach he still can do whatever he wants you act as if a coach on his staff has the power to demote him lol. He could call plays again next week if he wanted, let alone make game decisions Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freefall Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 1 hour ago, Nino11 said: Waiting for the fiery halftime speech for Morris or Ulbrich Tha Gawd lmaoo If you think Falcons fans should somehow be happy with Quinn after the last 2 games then my question to you is WTH happened to the defense in the first 8 games? There were no major injuries and the players don’t get better all of a certain. So what was the quick fix and why did it took 8 games for Quinn to figure it out? Instead of being happy with Quinn you should be livid that it took him 8 games to get the defense right and the season is basically lost. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falcanuck Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 Just now, Nino11 said: 95% or head coaches don’t call plays, and it was never said he doesn’t make game decisions. He’s the head coach he still can do whatever he wants you act as if a coach on his staff has the power to demote him lol. He could call plays again next week if he wanted, let alone make game decisions Really? Care to substantiate this claim? There's a lot more than you think. Even the ones who don't have significant influence over play-calling. Quinn doesn't. Bill, for example, will often step in and override his DC. He isn't the 'play-caller', but he is the mastermind of every Pats D. Pacific_Falcon 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nino11 Posted November 17, 2019 Author Share Posted November 17, 2019 Just now, freefall said: If you think Falcons fans should somehow be happy with Quinn after the last 2 games then my question to you is WTH happened to the defense in the first 8 games? There were no major injuries and the players don’t get better all of a certain. So what was the quick fix and why did it took 8 games for Quinn to figure it out? Instead of being happy with Quinn you should be livid that it took him 8 games to get the defense right and the season is basically lost. I didn’t say anybody should be happy with the overall product this season. This season is shot and I don’t think there’s a chance to make the playoffs even if they win out. I’m just saying the logic isn’t consistent. Can’t get all the blame and none of the credit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pacific_Falcon Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 Just now, Nino11 said: I didn’t put words in your mouth, you said he’s a defensive coach that can’t build a defense. When guys were sucking it was because he brought players in that sucked (like Takk, Oliver, and Beasley) Yet when adjustments are made and guys start balling it’s because of play calling. Make up your mind. He deserves the same credit for wins or losses is all im saying He can't build a defense. I didn't say anything about Takk etc. My mind is made up. Where did I flip flop? Again, you're putting words in my mouth. Overall he is just not capable of running the show. That is my opinion - he is in over his head. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nino11 Posted November 17, 2019 Author Share Posted November 17, 2019 Just now, Falcanuck said: Really? Care to substantiate this claim? There's a lot more than you think. Even the ones who don't have significant influence over play-calling. Quinn doesn't. Bill, for example, will often step in and override his DC. He isn't the 'play-caller', but he is the mastermind of every Pats D. As soon as you Substantiate that they don’t. Most teams the OC calls the offense and the DC calls the defense. That’s common knowledge. Head coaches that call plays are very rare. Billigoat would fall under the 5% Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nino11 Posted November 17, 2019 Author Share Posted November 17, 2019 1 minute ago, Pacific_Falcon said: He can't build a defense. I didn't say anything about Takk etc. My mind is made up. Where did I flip flop? Again, you're putting words in my mouth. Overall he is just not capable of running the show. That is my opinion - he is in over his head. Your saying this defense that’s been on the field doesn’t have talent? Every player that made a play on defense today outside of Tru And Rico has been acquired during Quinn’s tenure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Califalcon0013 Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 (edited) 43 minutes ago, falcon1fan said: Lers not act like the first 9 weeks didn't happen. Quinn's ego got in the way. Since the playcalling has been turned over the results speak for themselves. Yeah people here thinking with emotion after 2 great team wins.but were looking far ahead into the future and as fans its what we do.falcons are on a nice streak here with great back 2 back defensive performances.if they keep it going and finish stop why not keep him? With whom would you replace him with? And im asking for a realistic HC with the creativity of andy reid,kyle shannahan or sean payton? Or another defensive minded head coach? Edited November 17, 2019 by Califalcon0013 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freefall Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 3 minutes ago, Nino11 said: I didn’t say anybody should be happy with the overall product this season. This season is shot and I don’t think there’s a chance to make the playoffs even if they win out. I’m just saying the logic isn’t consistent. Can’t get all the blame and none of the credit Here’s the thing, if this defense is as capable as they have shown in the past 2 games then it is like a impenetrable fortress and for the first 8 games Quinn just forgot to close the gate on it. He finally remembered to do so the past 2 games. If you think about it that way then how much credit are we supposed to give Quinn? The defense on the first 8 games are so bad that the better they look the worse it makes Quinn looks, not better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faithful Falcon Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 17 minutes ago, Nino11 said: I didn’t say he was giving a speech, I said let me know when a player jumps up at half time with a speech in defense of him. And the first time he let go of the DC and took over we went on a Super Bowl run. I don’t blame him for trying to do it again with his job on the line. Didn’t workout so well the second time No, the Richard Smith was the DC. Quinn fired him after the Super Bowl. Quinn was calling the plays then. He should have been managing the game. His game Management skills has been terrible. He showed that again today before halftime. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papachaz Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 it's obvious, sanu was holding us back Nino11 and JDaveG 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youngbloodz Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 If the Falcons finish 9-7 or 8-8 Quinn will be back. You can bet on it JDaveG and Nino11 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falcanuck Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 23 minutes ago, Nino11 said: As soon as you Substantiate that they don’t. Most teams the OC calls the offense and the DC calls the defense. That’s common knowledge. Head coaches that call plays are very rare. Billigoat would fall under the 5% Dude. McVay, LaFleur, Payton, Shanahan, Andy Reid, Pederson, Bill, Zimmer, Reich, Rivera, Nagy, Gruden, O'Brien, Patricia, Gase and Kingsbury call plays. Some call the D, some call the O. Do the math. Nino11 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THEHEADCOACH Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 People need to stop kidding themselves. Dan Quinn is still running this defense and he wasn't the reason they were so bad earlier. Quinn still does the game planning and is involved in the play calls. Morris working with the secondary and Quinn focusing more on the line has obviously helped. People acting like Quinn can't call his defense is ridiculous. He's done it and successfully. This team just needed a change and some work. He did what he thought was best. That's what head coaches do. Nino11, papachaz and JDaveG 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nino11 Posted November 17, 2019 Author Share Posted November 17, 2019 21 minutes ago, Falcanuck said: Dude. McVay, LaFleur, Payton, Shanahan, Andy Reid, Pederson, Bill, Zimmer, Reich, Rivera, Nagy, Gruden, O'Brien, Patricia Gase and Kingsbury call plays. Some call the D, some call the O. Do the math. Although it’s more of a recent trend, I stand corrected. A lot more coaches call plays then I realized. I forgot about the obvious ones like Payton and Boywonder McVay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nino11 Posted November 17, 2019 Author Share Posted November 17, 2019 35 minutes ago, Faithful Falcon said: No, the Richard Smith was the DC. Quinn fired him after the Super Bowl. Quinn was calling the plays then. He should have been managing the game. His game Management skills has been terrible. He showed that again today before halftime. And I don’t disagree with his game management skills not being the best. But that defense was playing similar to the defense that’s been playing the last two games. Quinn has shown he can put a good defense on the field, guys are acting like he never had any success defensively at all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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