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FalconJim

So, Kaeperdick cancels workout at Falcons facilities 20 mins. before it was to start....lol.

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2 hours ago, MayorWest13 said:
The NFL’s Colin Kaepernick dog-and-pony show about nothing was about something, after all.

It was about extinguishing the second lawsuit that Kaepernick could file for ongoing collusion plus retaliation against him for his first grievance that was settled for a payment reportedly between $1 million and $10 million.

That’s the inescapable conclusion from the assertion, as made by Kaepernick’s lawyer and Kaepernick’s agent, that the NFL demanded that he sign a broad waiver, including a waiver of potential employment claims.

Let that one sink in. The league, under the guise of acting out of the goodness of its own heart and/or to assuage the guilt of 32 months of Kaepernick being wrongfully denied an opportunity, set up a workout for all teams (even though any team could work him out at any time) and then, as he showed up for it, asked him to sign a waiver that not only protected the league and the Falcons against a torn ACL or some other injury that could have happened during the workout but also exonerated the league of any and all responsibility for the violations of his rights that may have (have) occurred since he grievance was settled in February.

As a source with knowledge of the situation tells PFT, when Kaepernick’s camp suggested a standard injury waiver that didn’t sweep broadly to absolve the NFL from its ongoing violation of his rights, league representatives said that the proposed release had been drafted by NFL general counsel Jeff Pash, and that Pash wanted his release to be signed.

Pash’s name constantly has been mentioned behind the scenes as the person who was believed to have devised this entire scheme. From Kaepernick’s perspective, it wasn’t about Roger Goodell cleansing his conscience, and it wasn’t about Jay-Z repairing his reputation. It was about Pash, recognizing that the failure to buy out Kaepernick’s ongoing employment rights in February coupled with an ongoing cold shoulder created the very real possibility for a second lawsuit that would have taken far more cold hard cash from the league than the first one.

By moving the workout from the Falcons’ facility to a new location, Kaepernick has escaped checkmate, and he has escaped a potential checkmate. If any team representatives who were ready to watch him work out at the Falcons’ facility fails to attend the session at the alternate location, the end result could be legal checkmate for the NFL.

At this point, given the clumsy, awkward manner in which Pash’s scheme has played out, the only way to avoid a second lawsuit from Kaepernick could be to do what should have been done in the first place, if the league truly wanted to help Kaepernick: Pick up the phone and make whatever deal has to be made behind the scenes with one of the NFL’s teams to give the guy a job.

 

 

19 minutes ago, Ergo Proxy said:

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/nfl-releases-statement-on-colin-kaepernicks-decision-to-move-workout-location/

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/colin-kaepernick-moves-workout-opens-event-to-media-in-pursuit-of-transparent-and-open-process/

Kaep:

"Because of recent decisions made by the NFL, the workout for Colin Kaepernick will be changing to an alternate location in Atlanta which will now start at 4 p.m. All representatives from clubs are invited to attend and will be provided the location. Further, all media will be invited to attend and upon request will be provided with the location. From the outset, Mr. Kaepernick requested a legitimate process and from the outset the NFL league office has not provided one. Most recently, the NFL has demanded that as a precondition to the workout, Mr. Kaepernick sign an unusual liability waiver that addresses employment-related issues and rejected the standard liability waiver from physical injury proposed by Mr. Kaepernick's representatives. Additionally, Mr. Kaepernick requested all media be allowed into the workout to observe and film it and for an independent film crew to be there to ensure transparency. The NFL denied this request. Based on the prior conduct by the NFL league office, Mr. Kaepernick simply asks for a transparent and open process which is why a new location has been selected for today. Mr. Kaepernick looks forward to seeing the representatives from the clubs today."

NFL:

“We are disappointed that Colin did not appear for his workout. He informed us of that decision at 2:30 pm today along with the public.

Today's session was designed to give Colin what he has consistently said he wants – an opportunity to show his football readiness and desire to return to the NFL. Twenty-five (25) clubs were present for the workout, and all 32 clubs, their head coaches, general managers, and other personnel executives would have received video footage of the interview and workout, shot by the Atlanta Falcons video crew. It is important to note the following:

  • As stated above, more than three-fourths of NFL clubs were present for today's workout.
     
  • The NFL made considerable effort to work cooperatively with Colin's representatives.  We invited his agent to suggest questions for the interview.  Yesterday, when Colin's representatives said he wanted to bring his own receivers to the workout, we agreed to the request.  In addition, Coach Hue Jackson discussed with Colin's agent what drills would be run at the workout so that Colin would know what would be expected of him. 
     
  • Last night, when Nike, with Colin's approval, requested to shoot an ad featuring Colin and mentioning all the NFL teams present at the workout, we agreed to the request.  
  • On Wednesday, we sent Colin's representatives a standard liability waiver based on the waiver used by National Invitational Camp at all NFL Combines and by NFL clubs when trying out free agent players. At noon today, Colin's representatives sent a completely rewritten and insufficient waiver. 
  • We heard for the first time last night, around the same time we heard from Nike, that Colin wanted to bring his own video crew. We heard for the first time this afternoon that Colin wanted to open the event to all media.
  • We agreed to have Colin's representatives on the field while the workout was being conducted and to allow them to see how it was being recorded. We did so even though we have been clear from the beginning that this is private workout. As is typical with NFL Combines, one video crew was prepared to shoot and distribute video of the interview and workout. We confirmed with Colin's representatives that they would receive both the video that would be sent to all 32 clubs as well as the raw footage from the entire event, which is unprecedented.
     

The location Colin selected is more than an hour away from Flowery Branch.

We are grateful to the Falcons, who made available the club's first-class facility, along with athletic training, equipment, and communications staff to ensure that today's workout would occur under ideal conditions, to coaches Hue Jackson and Joe Philbin, who were prepared to run a workout that would allow Colin to demonstrate his skill level, and to Jeff Foster and the Combine staff for arranging for other players to participate and for managing the logistics of the workout.

Colin's decision has no effect on his status in the League. He remains an unrestricted free agent eligible to sign with any club.”

 

And here are both sides of the story.  The only issue I really have is if the NFL really tried to insert additional language into the waiver that may undermine any of Kap's additional legal rights for employment related claims against the NFL.  The NFL said it was a standard waiver, Kap's people said it was not and included a bunch of additional clauses.  Seems like a pretty easy point to prove one way or another as Kap's people had a copy of the waiver and submitted a revised version.  Its a lot of legalese but there can be real impact on future litigation depending on the content of an employment agreement.  I don't know much about Georgia's employment laws, but I suspect Georgia was selected for a reason. 

As for the filming, media, etc., I couldn't really care less. If it was all about transparency, then so be it, but people trying out for the NFL don't get to dictate terms, and it isn't like any other player gets to dictate terms and demand concessions like this.  

It seems to me that both parties are angling more for optics than a future employment relationship.  If the NFL tried to get him to agree to an unreasonable waiver, it would be easy for Kap's camp to prove.  If his camp doesn't counter the NFL's position, I have no faith that Kap really wanted anything more than a headline.  If they do counter it and show the NFL tried to get one over, I think they just helped his next lawsuit, and I wish Kap luck.

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18 minutes ago, stizz said:

Some dude tweeted that the NFL wanted him to sign something that said he couldn't sue if he didn't get sign after the workout. How sad is that, someone can sue because things didn't work the they wanted it to.

That is not the implication. The version I heard was that the waiver would waive employment related claims, which would not just be the lack of a job coming from this workout, but also the lack of employment for the last 3 years, the lack of future employment, and potential legal damages for lost earnings based on the underlying collusion claims that he settled previously. They specifically did not settle the employment claims, so this waiver, if it was as Kap's camp portrayed, would be an end run around his potential next lawsuit.

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2 hours ago, octoslash said:

As a person with relatives who volunteered to fight and die for this country, Kaepernick in my opinion, can pretty much go to heII as far as I'm concerned.

He has his belief system, and I have mine. Just another part of what makes America great!

I'd save **** for the people who actually deserve it, you know, like those who assault their pregnant girlfriends but game the system and still get to play.

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16 minutes ago, 2_legit_2_legit_2_quit said:

Bold prediction: No team signs him and he complains about no team signing him.

If no team truly wanted to sign him then no team would’ve showed up to the workout after he moved it to a different location.  

He moved it.  Not the NFL.  Teams still showed up.  This shows in some manner that there was no gun to the head of any NFL teams that obligated them to go to the workout.  Heck, even the cowboys came outright and said they weren’t showing up to the original workout.  

I think there are teams that want to sign him and have wanted to sign him, but of course are scared because of the PR that comes with it.  Off talent alone there’s no denying that even being 3 years out of the league he’s better than most, if not all, backup QBs and maybe a couple of starting QBs right now.  And with the rise of Lamar Jackson, which is a similar style of play that allowed Kap to ascend in the league anyway, I’m sure there are teams out there saying “We want to do that” or at least have somebody on the scout team that can replicate that for defensive practice purposes.

The thing is that people on the outside looking in are still hurt in some way over Kaepernick, while many teams in the league have probably been wanting to take a chance on Kap but want to first and foremost protect their bottom line.  There’s compromise somewhere in the middle of that. 

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1 hour ago, PK Manley said:

My "goal" was to state my opinion, like I did.  People act so weird when you're a mod, as if I'm trying to do something rather than just giving an opinion.

I've been noticing this for awhile now. It's happening to JD, too, all of a sudden and happened with Larry when he first became a mod.

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8 minutes ago, KRUNKuno said:

If no team truly wanted to sign him then no team would’ve showed up to the workout after he moved it to a different location.  

He moved it.  Not the NFL.  Teams still showed up.  This shows in some manner that there was no gun to the head of any NFL teams that obligated them to go to the workout.  Heck, even the cowboys came outright and said they weren’t showing up to the original workout.  

I think there are teams that want to sign him and have wanted to sign him, but of course are scared because of the PR that comes with it.  Off talent alone there’s no denying that even being 3 years out of the league he’s better than most, if not all, backup QBs and maybe a couple of starting QBs right now.  And with the rise of Lamar Jackson, which is a similar style of play that allowed Kap to ascend in the league anyway, I’m sure there are teams out there saying “We want to do that” or at least have somebody on the scout team that can replicate that for defensive practice purposes.

The thing is that people on the outside looking in are still hurt in some way over Kaepernick, while many teams in the league have probably been wanting to take a chance on Kap but want to first and foremost protect their bottom line.  There’s compromise somewhere in the middle of that. 

All of what you said is speculation and debatable.
 

And my speculation is that no team will sign him because the drama he will bring far outweighs whatever talent he has left. As many have pointed out his last two years in the league were piss poor at best. 
 

So yeah, no team signs him and he complains about no one signing him and the whole thing drags out for a couple of more years before he fades away in the public consciousness.

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38 minutes ago, GATXBOI said:

I'll take him over Dak... Strong feeling Jerry Jones would to since Dak isn't signed long term.

Career Performance

Completion %:
Kaep: 59.8%
Dak: 66.8%

Yards per Game:
Kaep: 177.8
Dak: 239.5

Yards per Attempt:
Kaep: 7.3
Dak:  7.6

Rushing TDs:
Kaep: 13
Dak: 21 (in 12 less games)

Passing TDs:
Kaep: 72
Dak: 85 (in 12 less games)

Quarterback Rating:
Kaep: 88.9
Dak: 97.1

Add in 3 years of rust for Kaep...yeah.  I could see how you’d want him over Dak.

 

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1 hour ago, KRUNKuno said:

Mark Sanchez, and allllll of his suckiness, got plenty of opportunities when he was nowhere near as successful as Kap.

And it’s funny because Matt hasselbeck and Dan Orlovsky admitted to getting phone calls from teams THIS SEASON to see if they still wanted to play. 

You bull jiving? 

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1 hour ago, ya_boi_j said:

I’m black as well and what he kneeled for we’ve seen far too many times since with no justice for the victims. I have no issue with the cause supported. 
 

Personally, I wish the kneeling **** never happened because it’s taken away from the game and it’s all people choose to talk about. As you see here with me daily( if you actually pay attention to my posts with these matters) I’m more concerned with how the player actually plays vs what he’s doing that’s getting attention. 
 

Considering that there were people in the service that supported him and had sit downs with him and showed support following, I think the bigger mess was created by media and fans. In the end not many teams will go for that entire circus that followed. Had it not gotten overblown by the media and fans he’d probably have a job right now, even as a backup. That’s just my opinion though. I don’t agree with this statement that he made at all to end today though

I do intend to take a jab at your quote or post here, but this right here highlights racial undertones throughout this entire fiasco since it began with the kneeling. It exposes the "us vs. them" mentality so prevalent in our society. People will project onto you what they feel about you or what they figure you're thinking due to this. They say it isn't about race, but their projections and insecurities say otherwise. 

It's akin to the people who say "stop bringing up race or using the race card" when they are the very ones constantly bringing up race or race is on their minds. 

There is very little intellectual honesty or emotional intelligence in our society. . . . very little intelligence for starters.

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2 hours ago, ya_boi_j said:

The bad part about this is OP makes it seem like it was completely cancelled


Not true, dude!  Did you not read what I wrote below the topic? 

I said --- "It will now be at a high school in Riverdale.  What kind of publicity stunt is this??? 
24 teams were scheduled to be there, and were....now I guess they all have to high-tail it to
Riverdale!"  LOL!  



 

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2 minutes ago, Halcon-1 said:

I do intend to take a jab at your quote or post here, but this right here highlights racial undertones throughout this entire fiasco since it began with the kneeling. It exposes the "us vs. them" mentality so prevalent in our society. People will project onto you what they feel about you or what they figure you're thinking due to this. They say it isn't about race, but their projections and insecurities say otherwise. 

It's akin to the people who say "stop bringing up race or using the race card" when they are the very ones constantly bringing up race or race is on their minds. 

There is very little intellectual honesty or emotional intelligence in our society. . . . very little intelligence for starters.

Funny how I’m not the one that brings up race yet I’m the one who gets the finger pointed. Expected though

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3 minutes ago, FalconJim said:


Not true, dude!  Did you not read what I wrote below the topic? 

I said --- "It will now be at a high school in Riverdale.  What kind of publicity stunt is this??? 
24 teams were scheduled to be there, and were....now I guess they all have to high-tail it to
Riverdale!"  LOL!  



 

You see the part where I said makes it seem like. Didn’t say you said it

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Here's another thing...he's labeled, targeted and knew dang well the outcome. Let's be honest, if any team did take him, the NFL would lose money! That's exactly why they skip over him.

Remember everyone burning jerseys, attendance was low??? Don't think that didn't hurt them.  If anything, it woke the NFL up to him.

Did he break any laws?....not that I know of, but he brought on attention during our Anthem. Too many in this country look at that as law!

  Touchy subject I understand. My personal opinion of him....I don't think he's all that as QB. What has he done...That Mike Vick didn't master at in one year?

My relatives died under that flag also, fought in every war since this country was founded. I'm not going to apologize for loving my flag and my country.

He could have found a better way to bring attention on this, and it trickled down to a lot of other teams not standing for, even coming out for it.

If anyone here is offended ....remember we all have opinions . Politics should stay out of football!!!  But, it's the world we live in now I guess.

How could any team wanting to win.....sign him? It would be labeled a circus! Most of us would agree. And don't think for 1 second I believe higher ups ain't crooked.

It's just all a darn mess. All race of people died under that flag!  I just wish the man took a different approach.

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Just now, ya_boi_j said:

I wrote it out plain as day. I won’t comment any further though 

ummm. ok?  sensitive much over a forum with complete strangers?

carry on then. . . . guess you took my post the wrong way which is why I prefaced it with my intent not to take a jab at your post but rather shed light on the racial undertones of the CK thing. . ., 

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2 hours ago, MayorWest13 said:

Don't really expect much from someone with the thread title 


I don't care whether you expect much of me or not, dude, but you're not supposed to just read the thread title, you read what their comments were below it, if you really want to understand what it's about. 

Here's what I said, verbatim  ---  
"It will now be at a high school in Riverdale.  What kind of publicity stunt is this??? 
24 teams were scheduled to be there, and were....now I guess they all have to high-tail it to Riverdale!"  LOL!  



 

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21 minutes ago, Halcon-1 said:

I've been noticing this for awhile now. It's happening to JD, too, all of a sudden and happened with Larry when he first became a mod.

That's how it goes, but it's alright.  I mean, I've cleared out a lot of troll posters, but some like to act like we're going to start banning if they say something against the grain.

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34 minutes ago, KRUNKuno said:

If no team truly wanted to sign him then no team would’ve showed up to the workout after he moved it to a different location.  

He moved it.  Not the NFL.  Teams still showed up.  This shows in some manner that there was no gun to the head of any NFL teams that obligated them to go to the workout.  Heck, even the cowboys came outright and said they weren’t showing up to the original workout.  

I think there are teams that want to sign him and have wanted to sign him, but of course are scared because of the PR that comes with it.  Off talent alone there’s no denying that even being 3 years out of the league he’s better than most, if not all, backup QBs and maybe a couple of starting QBs right now.  And with the rise of Lamar Jackson, which is a similar style of play that allowed Kap to ascend in the league anyway, I’m sure there are teams out there saying “We want to do that” or at least have somebody on the scout team that can replicate that for defensive practice purposes.

The thing is that people on the outside looking in are still hurt in some way over Kaepernick, while many teams in the league have probably been wanting to take a chance on Kap but want to first and foremost protect their bottom line.  There’s compromise somewhere in the middle of that. 

Teams go to work outs all the the time to scout players out of curiosity, to save face, to confuse competition, in no way does their attendance mean they wanted to or intend to sign him.  He was entertaining to watch but he wasn’t a good quarterback other than a 2 year stretch he was good enough with a great defense to make a super bowl.  That was half a decade ago and nothing points that he will be even that good or better.  Why would you take on that media circus for a backup qb?  Doesn’t make sense.

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2 minutes ago, Halcon-1 said:

ummm. ok?  sensitive much over a forum with complete strangers?

carry on then. . . . guess you took my post the wrong way which is why I prefaced it with my intent not to take a jab at your post but rather shed light on the racial undertones of the CK thing. . ., 

No one is sensitive towards it, just pointing out how silly it was of you to point the finger at my post when I didn’t even make it about race. I didn’t mention race or anything else that has been in the news in reference to Kap. Your post should have been more so directed at the person who brought up race

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9 minutes ago, ya_boi_j said:

You see the part where I said makes it seem like. Didn’t say you said it


Haha!  Whatever.  I'm not gonna split hairs with you.  What I said was very clear, and self-explanatory, so I don't get it when you say that I made it seem like anything but what I plainly wrote ---

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Just now, ya_boi_j said:

No one is sensitive towards it, just pointing out how silly it was of you to point the finger at my post when I didn’t even make it about race. I didn’t mention race or anything else that has been in the news in reference to Kap. Your post should have been more so directed at the person who brought up race

Ok. 

It's now clear you took my post out of context and are not clear on my intent and purpose AND/OR I didn't my make my intent and purpose clear and understandable. I know you didn't bring up race. I implied as much in my post. I didn't point a finger at your post; I clearly stated and prefaced my post with my intent not to do so but rather use that moment to discuss the racial undertones with the CK protest. 

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1 minute ago, FalconJim said:


Haha!  Whatever.  I'm not gonna split hairs with you.  What I said was very clear, and self-explanatory, so I don't get it when you say that I made it seem like anything but what I plainly wrote ---

I was more so referring to the title. Anyone who would click on the thread would initially think he completely cancelled it. 

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