Joe Burrow QB, Joe Brady HC

[ATLSlobberKnockers]

4 minutes ago, freefall said:

Sure, use the 2nd round pick we got from the Pats and take a QB who is raw but has high potential then let him sit a couple years.  If he turns out to be good then he can either replace Ryan or be traded for a 1st round pick, but you don’t do that with a potential 1st QB and possibly #1 overall pick.

Exactly. We would draft the next Trubisky. I'd rather have a sure thing in Young or Delpit.

[DonDaLuvMaker]

2 hours ago, JD dirtybird21 said:

 

Agree with J. Also, think about guys like Matt Leinart. Lots of experience, could have been #1 overall pick after junior year and he chose to stay another year. He was a total bust. Experience doesn’t matter much to me in college. I simply see it as, you have “it” or you don’t. 

 

The same can be said for Jake Locker.

 

Locker could've been the #1 overall pick if he had went into the draft after his Junior year as well. Many draft analyst didn't like it when he announced publicly that he was staying at Washington for his final year because most had him as the consensus #1 pick going into the 2010 draft, even ahead of the legendary bust Sam Bradford.

[ATLSlobberKnockers]

28 minutes ago, coastiemike said:

I know Elway went 5-11 one season.

Had 8 seasons of 8 wins or less. 

Saying good qbs don't let their teams  lose is just an ignorant statement.

How many times has Ryan broke the record for highest QBR, or passing yards/tds in a losing effort?

[freefall]

18 minutes ago, Ergo Proxy said:

Fix the defense.

Lol @ Brady with a top 10 average defense through out his entire career(including 2/3 of his career he has a top 10 defense and only 3 times he has a bottom 3rd defense with no worse than 22nd).  Compare that to his generation of QB and we can see why he has what 6 SB(?) 1 or 2 from those other.  Yet Brady is looked upon as the GOAT.  Man, if you think about how Brady was drafted in the 6th round, playing behind a franchise QB former #1 overall pick, get his chance with the former QB being injury, marrying a super model wife, and getting all these farms and accolades...If there was ever a story of someone selling his soul to you know how to gain something, Brady story would be one of those.  Not hating on the man because I don’t know him personally, but every time I think of Brady story that always come to my mind.

[FalconsIn2012]

2 hours ago, Ovie_Lover said:

I can respect that. Personally I dont see it. Dont like watching him. Dont like he has it now all of a sudden.

I think it's just experience taking advantage of inexperienced players. That won't fly in the league.

If you were paying attention last year, you saw this building. His team finished CB the season scoring 45 ppg the final 5 games.  But all people recall was the shutout vs Bama.  Nah, Burrow had a very good Junior season and now an All Time Senior year.  I’ve seen enough to know he is an NFL QB playing for a college team

 

 

[FalconsIn2012]

2 hours ago, falcons007 said:

This is the dumbest thing I have read in a while. To trade Ryan and get under the cap Falcons will have to get rid of half the roster. How is this setting up for SB in next two years. 

No, they wouldn’t.  They would take the same CAP dead money hit as the Steelers did for AB this year.  And with a CAP that increases each year, teams care less and less about dead money

BEN VOLIN | SUNDAY FOOTBALL NOTES

NFL teams consider dead money a dying breed because salary cap keeps increasing

 

By Ben Volin Globe Staff,March 16, 2019, 12:18 p.m.

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[DonDaLuvMaker]

 

Would love a high end defensive playmaker.

 

But if a new HC that is potentially an offensive guru sees Burrow as the future, then I'm not opposed to it even though I'd rather have Chase Young.

[MasterBateser]

14 minutes ago, FalconsIn2012 said:

If you were paying attention last year, you saw this building. His team finished CB the season scoring 45 ppg the final 5 games.  But all people recall was the shutout vs Bama.  Nah, Burrow had a very good Junior season and now an All Time Senior year.  I’ve seen enough to know he is an NFL QB playing for a college team

 

 

Sure ya have 

[FalconsIn2012]

58 minutes ago, 1989Fan said:

I am a big fan of devils advocate argument, and agree I t’s a valid point, I thought it myself TBH. But aside from the first 2 games, what more could Ryan have done? How many of these QBs have had defenses giving up 30ppg+ on average?

I guess my rebuttal would be to ask if any of those teams have ever been as bad as this Falcons team aside from QB. The guy was leading the NFL in yards and TDs before getting hurt after all.

Nothing..Ryan has been great again this year.  He isnt part of the problem...not even a little.  But what’s the point of having a great player who eats up massive parts of the CAP if the team isn’t winning?

Coaching is clearly an issue.  But we need playmakers and with our current CAP obligations, unless we draft them, we ain’t adding playmakers.  
 

Could Burrow be 95% of Ryan in two years?  If you’re sold that Burrow can, you take him.  If not, draft BPA

 

[KRUNKuno]

With all of the bullshizz we’ve seen trotted out as a “defense” over the many years of this franchise, having little to zero backbone on defense, being carved up like a thanksgiving ham at grandma’s house, being ran through like a 2 bit toot off Cleveland ave, getting no turnovers like a bakery that ran out of apples, getting no sacks like a neutered dog....

And y’all still talking about offense 

[FalconsIn2012]

10 hours ago, ATLSlobberKnockers said:

Had 8 seasons of 8 wins or less. 

Saying good qbs don't let their teams  lose is just an ignorant statement.

How many times has Ryan broke the record for highest QBR, or passing yards/tds in a losing effort?

Elway posted an above .500 record 12 of 15 seasons in the NFL.  Two of those instances where they were not above .500, they posted a .500 record 

[FalconsIn2012]

5 hours ago, Ovie_Lover said:

Sure ya have 

Guess he is a bust then.

 But can you name a single thing he struggles with?  Something that will prevent him from being a B+ or better NFL qB

[Jerz]

41 minutes ago, KRUNKuno said:

With all of the bullshizz we’ve seen trotted out as a “defense” over the many years of this franchise, having little to zero backbone on defense, being carved up like a thanksgiving ham at grandma’s house, being ran through like a 2 bit toot off Cleveland ave, getting no turnovers like a bakery that ran out of apples, getting no sacks like a neutered dog....

And y’all still talking about offense 

Of course we're talking about offense. Do you realize how much of the cap and recent draft capital they are taking? We need to trim those contracts

[KRUNKuno]

10 minutes ago, Jerz #Quinning said:

Of course we're talking about offense. Do you realize how much of the cap and recent draft capital they are taking? We need to trim those contracts

We don’t need a 1st round quarterback

[Kayoh]

8 hours ago, FalconsIn2012 said:

Yes to Burrow, and yes to Joe Brady as OC.  He was under Payton for years so it’s possible he is the next great offensive mind

No. Brady as OC would just lead to him getting signed by some other team to be HC like what happened here with Shanahan. Not again. Straight to HC.

[putnam6]

I"m not drafting Burrow unless they trade Ryan and got another early first-round pick as well as another early-round pick for him. Even then you would need the right coach and another veteran QB till Burrow is ready, might as well go for the total rebuild trade away Julio and any other high priced vets. Oh, yea you better get the right defensive coach and fix the OL get an effective run game or they are gonna just beat the **** out of whoever is QB. Ryan is gonna need maximum help here to even sniff the Super Bowl again as they need immediate pass rush help, Chase Young? a dominant  RB and OLineman or 2 probably an LB and defensive backfield help, all the while breaking in a new HC and possibly GM. They are looking at a rebuild any way you look at it.

[falcons007]

8 hours ago, FalconsIn2012 said:

No, they wouldn’t.  They would take the same CAP dead money hit as the Steelers did for AB this year.  And with a CAP that increases each year, teams care less and less about dead money

BEN VOLIN | SUNDAY FOOTBALL NOTES

NFL teams consider dead money a dying breed because salary cap keeps increasing

 

By Ben Volin Globe Staff,March 16, 2019, 12:18 p.m.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bostonglobe.com/sports/patriots/2019/03/16/nfl-teams-consider-dead-money-dead-because-salary-cap-keeps-increasing/S3KxVrEhr0mcWbtpzVxkzI/story.html%3foutputType=amp

Lol. Man the team losing and falling in love with a draft pick makes you lose your mind completely. When Ryan is traded, Falcons will have to cut half the roster to get under the cap. Because NFL has such a thing called cap, and all teams have to be under that limit. The latest Ryan can be cut/traded with a 15-20 M cap hit is in 2022. 
 

Lay off the meth or what ever you smoking.

[Geneaut]

12 hours ago, FalconsIn2012 said:

Short sighted approach.  We had two first round picks this year, one isnt playing, the other struggling.  It’s not really a relevant argument

It’s very relevant in the day and age of the salary cap. There will be other Burrows in future drafts when it makes more sense to take a QB. 
 

We are fielding a historically terrible defense. Not bad. Historically bad. Find the defensive Burrows and take him.  

[papachaz]

14 hours ago, JD dirtybird21 said:

Terrible HC for a player like him. This is the Browns after all 

Reminds me of Mora Jr and Mike Vick somewhat 

[thanat0s]

When will you guys accept that this team isn’t in a rebuild? We aren’t in any way, shape or form drafting a QB with a top ten pick. It’ll be one of a few defensive players, likely a lineman. 

Secondly, assuming it’s not Quinn, I’ll bet money that our next staff is going to be made up of veteran NFL guys, and a head coach who is a SB winner. 

[JD dirtybird21]

23 minutes ago, papachaz said:

Reminds me of Mora Jr and Mike Vick somewhat 

I would say it’s even worse than that. Kitchens shouldn’t be a HC. Seems like he has zero control of his players. Mora at least had the team play at high levels. 

[thanat0s]

8 hours ago, KRUNKuno said:

We don’t need a 1st round quarterback

Can anything get more obvious than this?

[FalconsIn2012]

55 minutes ago, falcons007 said:

Lol. Man the team losing and falling in love with a draft pick makes you lose your mind completely. When Ryan is traded, Falcons will have to cut half the roster to get under the cap. Because NFL has such a thing called cap, and all teams have to be under that limit. The latest Ryan can be cut/traded with a 15-20 M cap hit is in 2022. 
 

Lay off the meth or what ever you smoking.

If Ryan starts next year and is traded for a 1st round pick, we would eat 30 million in dead money.  It’s a one year hit.  It still leaves us 10 million under the CAP for that year with the bloated contracts of Trufant, Free, Brown, Carpenter & Ty still on the books for 2021.  Release them all in 2021 and it frees up an additional 30 million for 2021.  Add Rico and it frees up 37 million.  We would then have over 40 million for 2021.  
 

But with those contracts absorbed, 2022 becomes laughable with what we could do.

[FalconsIn2012]

46 minutes ago, Geneaut said:

It’s very relevant in the day and age of the salary cap. There will be other Burrows in future drafts when it makes more sense to take a QB. 
 

We are fielding a historically terrible defense. Not bad. Historically bad. Find the defensive Burrows and take him.  

There will be other great QB’s.  And we won’t be in a position to draft them without making a Julio like trade up

 

This isn’t about trying to move on from a Ryan.  I love Ice.  This is simply about taking advantage of a situation that has presented itself.

[falcons007]

26 minutes ago, FalconsIn2012 said:

If Ryan starts next year and is traded for a 1st round pick, we would eat 30 million in dead money.  It’s a one year hit.  It still leaves us 10 million under the CAP for that year with the bloated contracts of Trufant, Free, Brown, Carpenter & Ty still on the books for 2021.  Release them all in 2021 and it frees up an additional 30 million for 2021.  Add Rico and it frees up 37 million.  We would then have over 40 million for 2021.  
 

But with those contracts absorbed, 2022 becomes laughable with what we could do.

Lol. Dude where you getting your numbers from? Because it’s ridiculously wrong with what you suggested of trading Ryan after a game. Lay off the Joe Burrow Pipe.

Falcons are already over the cap now for 2020. They have hard cuts and add Ryan to the list they almost end up with 50-60 M dead money. 
 

the tragedy of losing is people want best player to cut and keep players like Trufant and Freeman.