Joe Burrow QB, Joe Brady HC

[1989Fan]

18 minutes ago, FalconsIn2012 said:

Short sighted approach.  We had two first round picks this year, one isnt playing, the other struggling.  It’s not really a relevant argument

When is the last time a team had a QB the caliber of Ryan and even considered one with top 5 pick?

i seriously don’t know...if there is one I would like to know for my memory bank.

edit: Kurt Warner is the only argument I can think of, but he didn’t have a good career in NYG, he got benched actually and most thought his career was over.

[Tribal Chief]

1 minute ago, 1989Fan said:

Yep, supports that QBs do better when drafted in to situations/teams that are built up. He went to an annual playoff team.

if one of these studs falls to top of round two maybe you reconsider, but not top 3.

Brady, Rodgers, Roethlisberger, Flacco, Jackson, Dalton, Watson, Wilson, etc. all support that walking into a good situation can provide immediate success.

if this team needs gutted for CAP reasons, taking a QB top 3 is just lunacy (considering I do t see how Ryan is financially tradable)

Truth. Nothing to add to it. 

[ChickenBiscuit]

11 minutes ago, 1989Fan said:

No to Burrow, and not because I don’t like Burrow. Build up the team (esp. OL) so Ryan can benefit now and the next QB can come into a situation where he can succeed immediately. I am for a guy in round 3+ to groom for 2-5 years though. 

Brady got to be Brady because he was drafted into a great team that didn’t need a QB right away, and already built a great team around Bledsoe. 

i repeat, build the team so the next guy can succeed instead of drafting a QB first, which guarantees a top 5 pick or highly paid MVP caliber QB is on the bench. 

Jimmy G has shown that it's literally never a bad idea to have a great backup QB. Especially if that guy could develop into something more. Because if he shows flashes, he immediately becomes draft capital, if he becomes the starter then Ryan becomes draft capital. I like the idea of drafting Burrow because he'd be a great asset, and he could learn behind Ryan and let Ryan be the QB while we build our team up to be better. 

This team is more than one player away and we need a culture changer. If it ain't Chase, it's Burrow or trade down for even more draft capital. But we gotta rebuild this **** from the ground up if we want to have a chance. Half measures haven't gotten it done. I don't care who we deal in order to do that. 

[1989Fan]

1 minute ago, ChickenBiscuit said:

Jimmy G has shown that it's literally never a bad idea to have a great backup QB. Especially if that guy could develop into something more. Because if he shows flashes, he immediately becomes draft capital, if he becomes the starter then Ryan becomes draft capital. I like the idea of drafting Burrow because he'd be a great asset, and he could learn behind Ryan and let Ryan be the QB while we build our team up to be better. 

This team is more than one player away and we need a culture changer. If it ain't Chase, it's Burrow or trade down for even more draft capital. But we gotta rebuild this **** from the ground up if we want to have a chance. Half measures haven't gotten it done. I don't care who we deal in order to do that. 

When was Jimmy G drafted? Top 5 pick?

Is our team nearly as stacked as any patriots team? Does a 1-15 team with a pro bowl QB sound like a situation where drafting a QB top 5 (to be a backup) is sensible?

like I said, take one in 3 if need be, like when they took Schaub. It fits your scenario to a tee.

[Tribal Chief]

1 minute ago, ChickenBiscuit said:

Jimmy G has shown that it's literally never a bad idea to have a great backup QB. Especially if that guy could develop into something more. Because if he shows flashes, he immediately becomes draft capital, if he becomes the starter then Ryan becomes draft capital. I like the idea of drafting Burrow because he'd be a great asset, and he could learn behind Ryan and let Ryan be the QB while we build our team up to be better. 

This team is more than one player away and we need a culture changer. If it ain't Chase, it's Burrow or trade down for even more draft capital. But we gotta rebuild this **** from the ground up if we want to have a chance. Half measures haven't gotten it done. I don't care who we deal in order to do that. 

He was a second round pick though. Even if they had drafted him in the bottom half of the first similar to Rodgers it would have been a good pick due to the nature of their roster yearly. 

[MasterBateser]

3 hours ago, ya_boi_j said:

Tua is as overrated as they come. I posted his performances against the few quality defenses he’s played and it’s not impressive at all. 

Burrow is overrated too imo. He has blown up this year and that's it. He has one good year. Trubisky had one great year and look where hes at.

[youngbloodz]

1 hour ago, FalconsIn2012 said:

Did GB view drafting ARod as wasting a high 1st?

A Rod wasn't taken until 24. Not a high first round pick

[1989Fan]

3 minutes ago, ya_boi_j said:

He was a second round pick though. Even if they had drafted him in the bottom half of the first similar to Rodgers it would have been a good pick due to the nature of their roster yearly. 

It feels like the walking dead... a few of us w our backs together fighting off the hoard. 

[Tribal Chief]

4 minutes ago, Ovie_Lover said:

Burrow is overrated too imo. He has blown up this year and that's it. He has one good year. Trubisky had one great year and look where hes at.

I can’t compare the 2 because I never watched Trubisky in college outside of when they played Miami. As I said in my first post, I judge these type of players based on what they do in the big moments. Not what they’ve done for the season. 

[Jerz]

2 minutes ago, ChickenBiscuit said:

The accuracy of this kills me. In 11 seasons, we've built a championship caliber roster about twice. I guess you could count 3 if you think our 2017 team was worthy of a championship (I don't).

If Burrow goes on to be another young QB on the rise in the league it's going to suuuck. Especially if we don't get Chase Young.

They say draft BPA but they don't really mean it.

Yup it takes time to build up a championship roster. The value from potentially having 2 franchise QBs on the roster would set us up nicely for future drafts and building a very solid team with a fresh face at the QB position. 

These guys want to go balls to the wall every offseason for quick fixes. You have to play chess in this league and plan for the future. 

[Tribal Chief]

Just now, 1989Fan said:

It feels like the walking dead... a few of us w our backs together fighting off the hoard. 

Lol

[VTCrunkler]

[youngbloodz]

Taken a qb in the top 5 when you have issues on the defensive side and your QB is still playing well is flat out stupid. No other way around it. 

[octoslash]

2 hours ago, ya_boi_j said:

He’s a good qb but he’s too much of a gambler. He was labeled as a careful gambler but he’s not. He’s more careless than careful 

Baker is just Johnny Manziel with an arm.

 

[MasterBateser]

4 minutes ago, ya_boi_j said:

I can’t compare the 2 because I never watched Trubisky in college outside of when they played Miami. As I said in my first post, I judge these type of players based on what they do in the big moments. Not what they’ve done for the season. 

That's fair enough but he's been meh his entire career and then blows up his last year. We've seen this show before and they flame out in the league more times than not. I feel bad for whatever team takes him. 

[ChickenBiscuit]

7 minutes ago, 1989Fan said:

When was Jimmy G drafted? Top 5 pick?

Is our team nearly as stacked as any patriots team? Does a 1-15 team with a pro bowl QB sound like a situation where drafting a QB top 5 (to be a backup) is sensible?

like I said, take one in 3 if need be, like when they took Schaub. It fits your scenario to a tee.

I don't mind this either. I ******* really want Chase Young though, I hope Burrow plays well enough to get drafted 1st overall. We could be right there at #3, I wouldn't be opposed to trading up. 

[JD dirtybird21]

9 minutes ago, Ovie_Lover said:

Burrow is overrated too imo. He has blown up this year and that's it. He has one good year. Trubisky had one great year and look where hes at.

It’s all about the eye test for me man. Burrow looks like an NFL QB. Tribisky never has and never will 

[MasterBateser]

1 hour ago, FalconsIn2012 said:

Did GB view drafting ARod as wasting a high 1st?

Rodgers was taken late first.

Rodgers wasnt a one year wonder in college.

[MasterBateser]

Just now, JD dirtybird21 said:

It’s all about the eye test for me man. Burrow looks like an NFL QB. Tribisky never has and never will 

I can respect that. Personally I dont see it. Dont like watching him. Dont like he has it now all of a sudden.

I think it's just experience taking advantage of inexperienced players. That won't fly in the league.

[freefall]

It’s funny how the narrative changes when the team is not winning.  If the Falcons doesn’t have a historical bad defense this year then people might be talking about how well Ryan is playing for a 3rd years in a row and a potential MVP candidate again.  Because quite frankly that’s how well Ryan has played this year, but because the there is no running game, a horrendous defense, and team not winning we have people talking about drafting to replace one of a few players that have played well this year.  The irony is football is viewed as the ultimate team sport, and yet we let how the team success or lack there of to determine our view of how well a player is playing or how good he was.  Logically it makes little sense yet few of us can avoid it.

[Tribal Chief]

2 minutes ago, Ovie_Lover said:

That's fair enough but he's been meh his entire career and then blows up his last year. We've seen this show before and they flame out in the league more times than not. I feel bad for whatever team takes him. 

The thing with college QB stats and players in general is you can’t really judge their entire college careers unless they were true multi year starters. Trubisky is a prime example. He wasn’t a full time starter until that final year. Once they get in the NFL it boils down to the talent provided to them and coaching. Even the great Peyton Manning was a turnover machine but he was a smart *** qb lol. 

[JD dirtybird21]

6 minutes ago, Ovie_Lover said:

I can respect that. Personally I dont see it. Dont like watching him. Dont like he has it now all of a sudden.

I think it's just experience taking advantage of inexperienced players. That won't fly in the league.

 

5 minutes ago, ya_boi_j said:

The thing with college QB stats and players in general is you can’t really judge their entire college careers unless they were true multi year starters. Trubisky is a prime example. He wasn’t a full time starter until that final year. Once they get in the NFL it boils down to the talent provided to them and coaching. Even the great Peyton Manning was a turnover machine but he was a smart *** qb lol. 

Agree with J. Also, think about guys like Matt Leinart. Lots of experience, could have been #1 overall pick after junior year and he chose to stay another year. He was a total bust. Experience doesn’t matter much to me in college. I simply see it as, you have “it” or you don’t. 

[Jesus]

Need better coaching not a top 5 drafted QB.

[Tribal Chief]

1 minute ago, JD dirtybird21 said:

 

Agree with J. Also, think about guys like Matt Leinart. Lots of experience, could have been #1 overall pick after junior year and he chose to stay another year. He was a total bust. Experience doesn’t matter much to me in college. I simply see it as, you have “it” or you don’t. 

Matt freakin Leinart. Talk about a guy that had the world at his finger tips in college only to be nothing more than a pretty boy in the NFL lol

[2_legit_2_legit_2_quit]

3 hours ago, ATLSlobberKnockers said:

Taking any QB when it's literally the last position of need is just not a good play. Ryan is going to be on the team for a few seasons regardless

How long did Rogers sit behind Farve? Sooner or later we need our next QB drafted and I’d rather have one learning for a couple of seasons under Ryan.