LaurentRobinsonDaGawd

If Chase Young Is Gone, What Position Do You Go Round 1?

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A.J. Epenesa DE from Iowa Or trade down to mid 1st or hope he falls to the 2nd round and draft Penn ST DE Yetur Gross- Matos. No way in **** would I draft a run stopping DT Derrick Brown in the top 10. My sleeper pick would be Isaiah Simmons a LBer from Clemson

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Too early to say at this point.  Injuries and the Combine could change the story quite a bit between now and then.

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I would get creative and find a way to get Grant Delpit & AJ Epenesa. Safety is a bigger need than many overlook imo.

A trade down would be needed, but if you can get an edge and impact safety in the top 15, you instantly upgrade your defense.

Now if we can't trade down, I would look at Andrew Thomas and put him at LT and slide Jake over to RT. Mcgary to a guard and lindstrom at the other guard or even center if he can transition.

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5 hours ago, LaurentRobinsonDaGawd said:

I see slot of people saying DE or bust in the 1st round, but I don't think the casual draft season tracker will understand that the tip of this DE class is non-existent after Chase Young. As of now, and probably come April, there is no pure pass rushing DE taking in the top half of the 1st round outside of Chase Young. AJ Epenesa from Iowa has been thrown around, but he is extremely raw from the pass rushing standpoint, and is more of a 3-4 run stopping DE, with some ability to play 4-3 strongside DE. He is not super athletic, and not a great pass rusher. The wire pass rushers In this draft are currently mocked in the very late 1st, and all over the 2nd. None of which I'm sold on, and scouting players is one of my biggest passions and joy in life.  

So to my fellow falcons fans, what position to you value, if Chase Young is gone, and assuming we are picking top 10. 

The players I'm looking at right now in the top 10, and if Young is gone:

- Grant Delpit S LSU - A great overall safety like former Tiger Jamal Adams, and currently Charger Derwin James. Like the two mentioned, he has pro bowl potential at FS and SS. He is a playmaker, and makes plays all over the field. If he's the guy, I would cut ties with Rico, and park him with KeKe. That would give us 2 young studs at FS and SS. 

- Jeff Okudah CB Ohio State - I would love this pick, if we got a player like Yannick Ngakoue in FA.  A 10 CB will get eaten alive by opposing QB's if they have all the time in the world to throw the ball. Okudah is a special CB prospect though. He is tall, long, and is the complete package. Has great hands, and sticks to his man like glue. Probably the best CB prospect since Jalen Ramsey. 

- Isaiah Simmons LB Clemson - As of now, he's the only LB I would take in the top 10. He simply does it all, and has been projected by some as a S. He is the best tackler in this draft, regardless of position. He has drawn comparisons to a young Thomas Davis, and looks to be one of the better WLB prospects in recent memory, due to his ability to cover and blitz. Like Delpit, he is a defender who does it all at a high level. Assuming Campbell is gone, Simmons very well could be a smart, safe pick in round 1. He looks to be a sure thing as a LB, and would be a nice paring with DeBo, and would give us a very similar duo as the Panthers had with Keuchly and Davis a few years ago. Simmons compliments DeBo perfectly. I would not consider him at S, because he would be the perfect WLB on this team. Phenomenal instincts, speed, awareness, coverage, and tackling.  

- Derrick Brown DT Auburn - Powerful DT that is massive and I can't emphasize his power enough. He can blow up run plays, or push the pocket. Pairing him with Grady, would give us one of the best younger DT duos in the league. I'm very confident he will pan out.  He has a great all around game, and is a phenomenal athlete for his size. Has violent hands.  

- Javon Kinlaw DT South Carolina - as of right now, I would put Brown ahead of him, but Kinlaw is rising up boards fast. They are very similar prospects, and gave similar size as well. Id say Kinlaw has a higher ceiling though.  

- Andrew Thomas OT Georgia - Thomas is one of the best OT prospects in recent memory. He is purely dominant in the run game, and shows equally great flashes in pass protection.  We could either slot him at LG, and have a LG that would have the trajectory of Quinton Nelson on the Colts, or move McGary to LG, and have one of the most promising RT in the game. ****, we could even slide Jake to RT, and slot Thomas at LT. Thomas has pro bowl potential at OT, and also could be a top 3-5 OG from day one. 

I'm not going to list any WR, RB, or QB, as any of them would be a horrible selection, unless a new regime wants to trade Matt Ryan to the bears or titans for a haul of draft picks.  I wouldn't be completely opposed to it, as long as it is a 1st this year and next year, because the QB I want to replace Ryan is Justin Fields from OSU, and will be the 1st or 2nd pick next year in 2021. Getting another 1st next year, and possibly other picks would give us ammunition to trade up if needed. Bank needs to let go of the falcon for life motto, because it could hinder a successful rebuild and cleaning of the house.

As you see, the pass rusher position is, unfortunately, very boom or bust in the top 10. It's basically chase young or bust in the top 10, and the next athletic pure pass rusher is apparently Yetur Gross-Matos from Penn State, and he is not expected to go until the 20's, as he is very athletic, but is also raw and needs some coaching up. Very unfortunate we didn't have our current pics in last year's class, because Bosa, Quinnen, or Allen would look very good in the red and black. We were looking at a potential trade up for Devin Bush last year, so maybe Isaiah Simmons is the guy we look at if Young is gone, but we will more than likely have a new GM, so who knows at this point.  

I just wanted to see who you guys liked specifically as of now, because I'm honestly hoping we go 1-15, and get the next Von Miller type pass rusher in Chase Young.  He would single handedly transform this defense.  That extra 2nd for sanu may give us the extra ammunition needed to trade up and grab young, if we end up being 2-3 spots out of his range.  

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12 minutes ago, Flying Falcon said:

You dont draft for issues. That's how we are in this position now. You draft for the future.

Drafting a QB now, just to sit on the bench for years, also isn't the future. It doesn't always work like that.

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You take a QB in the top 5. This isn't for the future as they all start as a rookie.

Chase will probably be gone. I hope they take the next best defensive player or trade down instead of reaching to fill a need.

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4 hours ago, Narcaguga said:

First,Atlanta is going 1-15. Second, you draft Tua.END OF DISCUSSION.

I'd be shocked if the Falcons finished 1-15. If we finish 1-15 we got problems.

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As things stand, we would draft #5. Based on the Fanspeak drafts I've been running, at this point in time it looks like Chase Young is long gone, and the best we can hope for is Derrick Brown in the 1st, Jabari Zuniga and Shaun Wade in the 2nd for the defense. Then De'andre Swift or Chuba Hubbard in the 3rd to replace Freeman.

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4 hours ago, boss said:

A.J. Epenesa DE from Iowa Or trade down to mid 1st or hope he falls to the 2nd round and draft Penn ST DE Yetur Gross- Matos. No way in **** would I draft a run stopping DT Derrick Brown in the top 10. My sleeper pick would be Isaiah Simmons a LBer from Clemson

Epenesa is so grossly overrated that it bothers me, and borderline angers me.  He's such a raw pass rusher, and will never be a 10 sack guy in his career imo. I would be disappointed if he is our 1st round pick. I can just hope e finish 1-15. we have a high strength of schedule(highest in the league as of right now), so will petty much lose any tie breaker to other teams with same record. As of now, I gotta go Simmons outside of Young. The way DeBo tranclscended the MLB position, Simmons looks to be a. Transcendent WLB. He can get the the passer(6 sacks so far in 2019), can cover with the best, has crazy first step and closing speed, and is possibly the best tackler in the draft. His insticnts are off the charts. He fan do it all, and would be a great WLB to compliment DeBo, or a great MLB2 if we switch to the 3-4 next year.

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8 hours ago, Mr.Falcon79 said:

I think if you select Derrick Brown DT Auburn and you pair him with Grady then you have two dominant inside guys. That would allow the edge rushers to get more opportunity being the quarterback can’t step up into the pocket. Which that’s hoping Derrick Brown can be he we think he will be. Always a coin toss with the draft.

What edge rushers, we have nobody

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We will have Takk and will most likely draft an edge in the 2nd if we go DT in the 1st. And maybe sign one or two stop gap free agents. But I do see your point texasfalconfan. I know we need all the picks we can get. But in my opinion if it takes a trade up to get Chase Young we really need to do it. Can’t remember the last time we had a legit pass rusher. I believe it was John Abraham. So getting a player of his caliber would be worth giving up a 2nd I think. Being the Patriots gifted the Falcons with a second. So basically for Sanu and swapping our first we could snag Chase Young. If that’s the case I would hope the Falcons would do it.

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26 minutes ago, texasfalconfan said:

What edge rushers, we have nobody

If we can't get Chase Young, none of the other Edge guys are an improvement over Takk and Cominsky.

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42 minutes ago, grandcanyonaz said:

They'll have to give up more than that to move from 5 to 1. It'll cost them 2021 1st round to move to number 1.

Do you think we will have to move up to number 1 to get him? Hopefully we are not picking this high again anytime soon. If he is a John Abraham type player for the next 10 years would you give up the Falcons 1st in 2021? That’s a tough one for me. But being how long it’s been since we have had a legit edge rusher if he’s the real deal might almost be worth it. I mean if we gave up both 2nds & next year 2nd along with swapping from 5 to 1 or 2, you don’t think the #1 or #2 team in draft would bite? I don’t know what’s best for the team, all in for Chase Young or many draft picks. You see we got Julio & Cleveland missed on all there picks. We got the better end of deal. Would hate to miss out on a legit pass rusher. I mean we can’t get a good edge rusher to save our life and here we have a shot at Chase Young. I’m torn on what I would do but it would be nice to have a legit pass rush that offenses actually game plan for.

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Depends on who has the first pick. Seems QBs typically go 1 overall. Naturally to go to 5 to 2 or 3 could be done without giving up the 2021 1st round pick.

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2 minutes ago, grandcanyonaz said:

Depends on who has the first pick. Seems QBs typically go 1 overall. Naturally to go to 5 to 2 or 3 could be done without giving up the 2021 1st round pick.

I mean there’s a good chance with a new coaching staff, players having to take there lumps on both offense & defense, & we suck next year as well. Hopefully not as bad as this year but still maybe top 16 pick. So it would be a hard decision to let the #1 pick for Falcons in 2021 go. But dang...we need Chase Young really bad. If we don’t get him & don’t pick this high for the next 3 or 4 years, probably longer than that, how will we ever have a legit pass rusher. Falcons can’t afford edge rusher in free agency & anyone that’s doing there job and getting consistent sacks most likely isn’t hitting FA anyway. So we have to draft a top tier edge rusher and we will be in striking range to do so. Is Chase Young worth it? 

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10 hours ago, Narcaguga said:

First,Atlanta is going 1-15. Second, you draft Tua.END OF DISCUSSION.

Draft thr only positio n we are.solid at. Great idea

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CB. And if he isnt gone then trade the pick to a team for a ton of picks and still pick a CB and then one of the other pass rushers in the 2nd

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5 hours ago, Roanoke Falcon said:

As things stand, we would draft #5. Based on the Fanspeak drafts I've been running, at this point in time it looks like Chase Young is long gone, and the best we can hope for is Derrick Brown in the 1st, Jabari Zuniga and Shaun Wade in the 2nd for the defense. Then De'andre Swift or Chuba Hubbard in the 3rd to replace Freeman.

Noway in **** Swift is going rnd 3

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36 minutes ago, Mr.Falcon79 said:

I mean there’s a good chance with a new coaching staff, players having to take there lumps on both offense & defense, & we suck next year as well. Hopefully not as bad as this year but still maybe top 16 pick. So it would be a hard decision to let the #1 pick for Falcons in 2021 go. But dang...we need Chase Young really bad. If we don’t get him & don’t pick this high for the next 3 or 4 years, probably longer than that, how will we ever have a legit pass rusher. Falcons can’t afford edge rusher in free agency & anyone that’s doing there job and getting consistent sacks most likely isn’t hitting FA anyway. So we have to draft a top tier edge rusher and we will be in striking range to do so. Is Chase Young worth it? 

You never know. It's a risk. They thought the same about RGIII and it didn't work.

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