Somebody did a good job? Who?

[ramonezy]

Everyone seems to be clamouring for AB to clean out the entire front office but looking back over the past 4 seasons someone must have done a good job to get the results we got... and that person needs to stay; whether DQ or TD. 

In the past 4 seasons we've had excellent draft success: from Neal to Jarrett to Ridley to Coleman to Deion our scouts have identified All pro talent. Is that TD or DQ? 

We've managed to keep the core of our success intact with contracts commensurate to their positions and performance... and still maintain flexibility. Is that TD or DQ? 

If the Super bowl run was an example of a good front office, we have managed to keep that core together that brought us so close to the promised land. Is that DQ or TD? 

This is a dead season for me that only silver lining is for us to stand a chance to get Chase Young. Changes have to be made... But not every change is an improvement. 

 

 

[LouDog]

Shanahan

Edited November 3, 2019 by LouDog

[Faithful Falcon]

You could say Dimitroff made those moves, because the core (Ryan and Julio) were there. Factor in that we were in the NFCCG just 3 years prior to Quinn's Arrival. You have to also factor in his blunders. We were in a total rebuild in 2008, but came in successful. Smitty was a discipline coach, Ryan was a smart young QB. TD didn't continue to evaluate the team properly. As we showed success, our division rivals we're not in their best position to win. TD took this success as us being elite. We were blown out by Green Bay in the playoffs. Did he go out and get us better defensively? No, he traded away a lot of picks for Julio. The 2008 draft outside of Ryan and Harry Douglas. 2009 outside of William Moore, 2010 Sean Weatherspoon, 2011Julio and Jaquizz Rodgers. 2012, draft history. 2013 Trufant and Alford. 2014 Jake Matthews, Rico, and Freeman. 2015 Beasley (Need Forced Pick) Tevin Coleman, Grady Jarrett. Ultimatum from Blank for at least 3 starters to be drafted in 2016. Neal, Debo, Hooper, Campbell.

[UGABOZ]

dont know about excellent

[Stray Dog THA GAWD]

The cheerleaders did ok.  The cute ones at least.

[ukfalc]

That’s the mystifying thing about our decline... the core of this team was good enough to get to a SB and build what should have been an insurmountable lead.

It’s not as if we’ve lost some of the major players from that team, or they have become old and declined significantly due to age (except Mack possibly).

If anything, you would have expected the 1st and 2nd year players from 2016 Defense to have Improved and developed with experience and they should now be in the prime years of their careers.

i think our problems are primarily down to coaching, mixed with some bad luck with the injuries to Freeman and Trufant (which have left both playing well below the level of their contracts).

[Smiler11]

33 minutes ago, ukfalc said:

That’s the mystifying thing about our decline... the core of this team was good enough to get to a SB and build what should have been an insurmountable lead.

It’s not as if we’ve lost some of the major players from that team, or they have become old and declined significantly due to age (except Mack possibly).

If anything, you would have expected the 1st and 2nd year players from 2016 Defense to have Improved and developed with experience and they should now be in the prime years of their careers.

i think our problems are primarily down to coaching, mixed with some bad luck with the injuries to Freeman and Trufant (which have left both playing well below the level of their contracts).

Very nicely summarised. Within the organisation they will know where the failures have been. For the reasons you stated above, from the outside looking in though it's very hard not to point the finger squarely at coaching and leadership. 

[Sponge]

1 hour ago, Stray Dog THA GAWD said:

The cheerleaders did ok.  The cute ones at least.

Our cheerleaders are meh. Nothing to fap home about.

[Dukeduke211]

Kyle Shanahan

The offense took  so much pressure off the defense.

It didnt matter that our defensive scheme had DE covering downfield and rushing 3

They were confident the offense was gonna score enough to win

After the Super Bowl they are defeated and the scheme doesn't work and they know it and dont believe in it

[Vandy]

1 hour ago, ukfalc said:

That’s the mystifying thing about our decline... the core of this team was good enough to get to a SB and build what should have been an insurmountable lead.

It’s not as if we’ve lost some of the major players from that team, or they have become old and declined significantly due to age (except Mack possibly).

If anything, you would have expected the 1st and 2nd year players from 2016 Defense to have Improved and developed with experience and they should now be in the prime years of their careers.

i think our problems are primarily down to coaching, mixed with some bad luck with the injuries to Freeman and Trufant (which have left both playing well below the level of their contracts).

Good post.

Coaching matters more than average fan realizes. We have the talent on this team to turn It around quickly.

Players are like children, they need discipline. Our next head coach needs to be a disciplinarian who stresses the fundamentals. Belief will  follow. 
 

Right now, all of that is broken.

 

[JD dirtybird21]

22 minutes ago, Vandy said:

Good post.

Coaching matters more than average fan realizes. We have the talent on this team to turn It around quickly.

Players are like children, they need discipline. Our next head coach needs to be a disciplinarian who stresses the fundamentals. Belief will  follow. 
 

Right now, all of that is broken.

 

Yep. In Smittys final year, the team had the heart and the discipline but lacked the talent. This squad is the exact opposite.

[Vandy]

5 minutes ago, JD dirtybird21 said:

Yep. In Smittys final year, the team had the heart and the discipline but lacked the talent. This squad is the exact opposite.

Yeah JD, Smitty’s long gone, but I think we need someone like him. A 3-5 year guy who won’t put up with the lackadaisical efforts we’ve been seeing from vets like Beasley, Trufant and younger guys like Debo et al. 
 

Not sure who that would be. Arians would have been perfect. 

[JD dirtybird21]

5 minutes ago, Vandy said:

Yeah JD, Smitty’s long gone, but I think we need someone like him. A 3-5 year guy who won’t put up with the lackadaisical efforts we’ve been seeing from vets like Beasley, Trufant and younger guys like Debo et al. 
 

Not sure who that would be. Arians would have been perfect. 

I just want a strong offensive mind at this point at HC. I don’t want to keep changing OC’s. I’d like for Ryan to be in the same offense for the rest of his career 

[octoslash]

[roguebeaver]

1 hour ago, Smiler11 said:

Very nicely summarised. Within the organisation they will know where the failures have been. For the reasons you stated above, from the outside looking in though it's very hard not to point the finger squarely at coaching and leadership. 

Whatever the problem, it appears only a medium, falcon whisperer so to say, is the only being that can figure this cluster fk of a team out! So Arthur, think out of your last opportune snatch and hire a deity that’s capable of fixing this mess of a team! 

[octoslash]

6 minutes ago, roguebeaver said:

Whatever the problem, it appears only a medium, falcon whisperer so to say, is the only being that can figure this cluster fk of a team out! So Arthur, think out of your last opportune snatch and hire a deity that’s capable of fixing this mess of a team! 

[ramonezy]

3 hours ago, LouDog said:

Shanahan

This is where my head was at too. 

From the responses it seems like most are willing to roll with TD, but get rid of coaches. 

That being said, to be fair, every OC that has come in here has been handicapped by being forced to use Shanny's system instead of their own. Is that TD or DQ? 

[SkerFalcon8710]

4 hours ago, ramonezy said:

Everyone seems to be clamouring for AB to clean out the entire front office but looking back over the past 4 seasons someone must have done a good job to get the results we got... and that person needs to stay; whether DQ or TD. 

In the past 4 seasons we've had excellent draft success: from Neal to Jarrett to Ridley to Coleman to Deion our scouts have identified All pro talent. Is that TD or DQ? 

We've managed to keep the core of our success intact with contracts commensurate to their positions and performance... and still maintain flexibility. Is that TD or DQ? 

If the Super bowl run was an example of a good front office, we have managed to keep that core together that brought us so close to the promised land. Is that DQ or TD? 

This is a dead season for me that only silver lining is for us to stand a chance to get Chase Young. Changes have to be made... But not every change is an improvement. 

 

 

Is that you TD? 
 

wheres our Oline and Dline success? 

[FuhRealDoh]

Pioli?

[RunningThePiszOuttaTheBall]

Good post OP. You made me think. I’ve been so disgusted that I’ve forgotten some of the success.

 Still, in all those years, we’ve underperformed. Yes, we hit it out of the park with offensive skill players, but we could never get the o line or d line right.

 Imagine what Belichik could do with Julio, Ridley, Ryan, Sanu, roddy white. We never used them to their full potential (except that one year of course).

 That’s a GM failure.

 Then, on the coaching side: Smitty was awesome, but he lacked the ability to kick it up a level in the playoffs. Smitty also lost his way at the end.

DQ is finding out that he was relying more on Marquand than he thought. He’s also learning that his philosophy lacks discipline. He’s just not a complete coach. Maybe he will be on his next go around.

So our leadership has been right on some key things, but not enough. It has resulted in squandering, at least so far, the years of several of our superstars.

 We have to be careful though. While trying to get better, we need to make sure we don’t get worse.

Edited November 3, 2019 by DriveHomeSafelyAtlantaWins

[Stray Dog THA GAWD]

3 hours ago, SpongeDad said:

Our cheerleaders are meh. Nothing to fap home about.

Any port in a storm.

[HASHBROWN3]

2 hours ago, Vandy said:

Good post.

Coaching matters more than average fan realizes. We have the talent on this team to turn It around quickly.

Players are like children, they need discipline. Our next head coach needs to be a disciplinarian who stresses the fundamentals. Belief will  follow. 
 

Right now, all of that is broken.

 

Agreed.  Being a disciplinarian isn’t a hateful thing either. It’s a caring thing.

 

[FalconDawg28]

2 hours ago, JD dirtybird21 said:

I just want a strong offensive mind at this point at HC. I don’t want to keep changing OC’s. I’d like for Ryan to be in the same offense for the rest of his career 

I completely agree. We keep hiring DC as HC and the defense isn’t getting any better. Let’s just hire a OC as HC and make the offense as good as it can be. It’s also ridiculous for Matt Ryan to keep learning new playbooks every two years. 

[Vandy]

1 hour ago, HASHBROWN3 said:

Agreed.  Being a disciplinarian isn’t a hateful thing either. It’s a caring thing.

 

Very true Hash. Emotionally intelligent people eventually grasp this. You have to weed out the low EQ ones.

Kinda like in here. Choose to hang with and even debate the high EQ folks, avoid the lower tier ones except for an occasional laugh. 

[Vandy]

33 minutes ago, rbrick28 said:

I completely agree. We keep hiring DC as HC and the defense isn’t getting any better. Let’s just hire a OC as HC and make the offense as good as it can be. It’s also ridiculous for Matt Ryan to keep learning new playbooks every two years. 

Falcons had a lot success under smith and Quinn, so I’m not sure that’s the wrong approach. We forget, but falcons should have two rings.

I think right now we need a Coach who can get this still talented team back to playing disciplined, fundamental football more than anything.