FalconFanSince1969

Two moves to get us out of cap ****

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Trade DE Vic Beasley. Even if it's just for a 7th rounder. The trading team would be on the hook for his 12.8 mil salary this season and it'd save us that much in cap space that we can roll over to next year.

 

Trade CB Desmond Trufant. Trading him this year creates 4.5 mil in dead cap, but frees up 9.5 mil in cap space.

 

Combined with the Sanu trade this would put our numbers @ 19m in cap space which we can roll over to 2020. Without that rollover our 2020 cap space would be 12m under. Add in the roll over and we're sitting @ 31m cap space.

 

Spotrac and overthecap both match on the math for this.

 

We MUST trade Vic Beasley. his almost 13 mil in cap space that we can add to next year would be more valuable than anything he's ever did for us.

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Agreed although I'm not sure we save the full $12.8m. My understanding is salary is paid in 17 weekly installments. Given the 5th year option is made up entirely of salary, if we traded him tomorrow I think we'd be on the hook for 7 weeks of his salary .

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16 minutes ago, FalconFanSince1969 said:

Trade DE Vic Beasley. Even if it's just for a 7th rounder. The trading team would be on the hook for his 12.8 mil salary this season and it'd save us that much in cap space that we can roll over to next year.

 

Trade CB Desmond Trufant. Trading him this year creates 4.5 mil in dead cap, but frees up 9.5 mil in cap space.

 

Combined with the Sanu trade this would put our numbers @ 19m in cap space which we can roll over to 2020. Without that rollover our 2020 cap space would be 12m under. Add in the roll over and we're sitting @ 31m cap space.

 

Spotrac and overthecap both match on the math for this.

 

We MUST trade Vic Beasley. his almost 13 mil in cap space that we can add to next year would be more valuable than anything he's ever did for us.

Was just thinking about these moves driving into work this morning!

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3 minutes ago, Smiler11 said:

Agreed although I'm not sure we save the full $12.8m. My understanding is salary is paid in 17 weekly installments. Given the 5th year option is made up entirely of salary, if we traded him tomorrow I think we'd be on the hook for 7 weeks of his salary .

spotrac says it's in real time so I'm not sure. Maybe that is just financially and not cap wise? I was thinking about that too.

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No issue with getting rid of either. Who would you chase with that money though?? Replacing Trufant is going to have to be in the form of a veteran that's going to get a similar contract to what he signed. There's no way he gets replaced with a low tiered corner unless the new DC has a **** good scheme. As of right now the UFA list doesn't look that great

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Where are you getting your numbers?

1.  The 12.8 million owed to Vic is broken out into weekly pay outs, so it's around 7-8m currently...

2.  It's being reported WE are offering to pay Vic's contract to even get teams to listen to trade offers...

3.  Tru's dead cap this year is $24m...good luck getting someone to take on that money...

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Trading Beastley or Trufant at this point is easier said than done. Because if the salaries and Vic in his walk year we'll get nothing of value in return. 

Now last year Vic was rumored to be had for a 3rd rounder...man, hindsight can bite you in the *** sometimes.

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29 minutes ago, FalconFanSince1969 said:

spotrac says it's in real time so I'm not sure. Maybe that is just financially and not cap wise? I was thinking about that too.

Walk me through your math.

 

CONTRACT TERMS:5 yr(s) / $68,750,000 SIGNING BONUS$15,000,000 AVERAGE SALARY$13,750,000 GTD AT SIGN:$20,776,000 TOTAL GTD:$41,526,000 FREE AGENT:2023 / UFA
  BONUS BREAKDOWN CAP DETAILS CASH DETAILS  
YEAR   AGE BASE SALARY SIGNING OPTION CAP HIT DEAD CAP YEARLY CASH  
2017 Contract details by year 26 $1,526,000 $3,000,000 - $4,526,000 $20,776,000 $16,526,000($16,526,000)  
2018 Contract details by year 27 $8,500,000 $3,000,000 $1,400,000 $12,900,000 $27,500,000 $15,500,000($32,026,000)  
2019 Contract details by year 28 $9,500,000 $3,000,000 $1,400,000 $13,900,000 $24,100,000 $9,500,000($41,526,000)  
2020 Contract details by year 29 $10,750,000 $3,000,000 $1,400,000 $15,150,000 $10,200,000 $10,750,000($52,276,000)  
2021 Contract details by year 30 $11,750,000 $3,000,000 $1,400,000 $16,150,000 $5,800,000 $11,750,000($64,026,000)  
2022 Contract details by year 31 $12,750,000 - $1,400,000 $14,150,000 $1,400,000 $12,750,000($76,776,000)  
2023 Free Agent Year 32 UFA

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45 minutes ago, FalconFanSince1969 said:

Trade DE Vic Beasley. Even if it's just for a 7th rounder. The trading team would be on the hook for his 12.8 mil salary this season and it'd save us that much in cap space that we can roll over to next year.

 

Trade CB Desmond Trufant. Trading him this year creates 4.5 mil in dead cap, but frees up 9.5 mil in cap space.

 

Combined with the Sanu trade this would put our numbers @ 19m in cap space which we can roll over to 2020. Without that rollover our 2020 cap space would be 12m under. Add in the roll over and we're sitting @ 31m cap space.

 

Spotrac and overthecap both match on the math for this.

 

We MUST trade Vic Beasley. his almost 13 mil in cap space that we can add to next year would be more valuable than anything he's ever did for us.

We are going to have to send a pick back in order to get rid of Beasley. 

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3 minutes ago, WhenFalconsWin said:

Trading Beastley or Trufant at this point is easier said than done. Because if the salaries and Vic in his walk year we'll get nothing of value in return. 

Now last year Vic was rumored to be had for a 3rd rounder...man, hindsight can bite you in the *** sometimes.

Yup, which is why in the other thread I mentioned we are not operating from a position of power.  IF we do trade him, WE will eat a ton of money and get pennies on the dollar.  At that point, not worth it.

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1 minute ago, g-dawg said:
CONTRACT TERMS:5 yr(s) / $68,750,000 SIGNING BONUS$15,000,000 AVERAGE SALARY$13,750,000 GTD AT SIGN:$20,776,000 TOTAL GTD:$41,526,000 FREE AGENT:2023 / UFA
  BONUS BREAKDOWN CAP DETAILS CASH DETAILS  
YEAR   AGE BASE SALARY SIGNING OPTION CAP HIT DEAD CAP YEARLY CASH  
2017 Contract details by year 26 $1,526,000 $3,000,000 - $4,526,000 $20,776,000 $16,526,000($16,526,000)  
2018 Contract details by year 27 $8,500,000 $3,000,000 $1,400,000 $12,900,000 $27,500,000 $15,500,000($32,026,000)  
2019 Contract details by year 28 $9,500,000 $3,000,000 $1,400,000 $13,900,000 $24,100,000 $9,500,000($41,526,000)  
2020 Contract details by year 29 $10,750,000 $3,000,000 $1,400,000 $15,150,000 $10,200,000 $10,750,000($52,276,000)  
2021 Contract details by year 30 $11,750,000 $3,000,000 $1,400,000 $16,150,000 $5,800,000 $11,750,000($64,026,000)  
2022 Contract details by year 31 $12,750,000 - $1,400,000 $14,150,000 $1,400,000 $12,750,000($76,776,000)  
2023 Free Agent Year 32 UFA

Yup, this is Tru.  He isn't going anywhere this year.  Next year he would net us $5m in savings...but his numbers for 2019 make him practically untradeable.  

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2 minutes ago, Dr Long Shot said:

We are going to have to send a pick back in order to get rid of Beasley. 

And pay his salary...

For a what?  6th?  7th?  Not worth it.  Let him play out the year, hope some team overpays for his services, get a comp pick and move on.

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Just now, athell said:

And pay his salary...

For a what?  6th?  7th?  Not worth it.  Let him play out the year, hope some team overpays for his services, get a comp pick and move on.

Yup, I agree. My meaning was that we aren't really going to be able to trade him. 

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Just now, takeitdown said:

I'll just never understand the re-signing/5th year option on Vic.  Has never made any sense.

Legit players we could have brought in for less.

who are those players and how are they performing compared to Vic

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1 minute ago, Dr Long Shot said:

Yup, I agree. My meaning was that we aren't really going to be able to trade him. 

I am still thinking that he may be a 11th hour trade.  Teams are going to wait until the last possible second to devalue him as much as possible and make the Falcons as desperate as possible.  My only hope is TD doesn't do something stupid...

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24 minutes ago, FalconFanSince1969 said:

Trade DE Vic Beasley. Even if it's just for a 7th rounder. The trading team would be on the hook for his 12.8 mil salary this season and it'd save us that much in cap space that we can roll over to next year.

 

Trade CB Desmond Trufant. Trading him this year creates 4.5 mil in dead cap, but frees up 9.5 mil in cap space.

 

Combined with the Sanu trade this would put our numbers @ 19m in cap space which we can roll over to 2020. Without that rollover our 2020 cap space would be 12m under. Add in the roll over and we're sitting @ 31m cap space.

 

Spotrac and overthecap both match on the math for this.

 

We MUST trade Vic Beasley. his almost 13 mil in cap space that we can add to next year would be more valuable than anything he's ever did for us.

He comes off the books already. Vic is as good as gone and with that we get 13 million back. Trufant has regressed and isn’t worthy of his salary but idk if we want 5 mill in dead money. I hope we can trade Vic and add a couple pieces to experiment with this year. 

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Just now, ya_boi_j said:

who are those players and how are they performing compared to Vic

Well I only added that last sentence as an aside.  It mainly just made no sense.

However, either of the guys in GB have been doing better.  The only thing in Vic's favor is it was just a single year deal.  There were a number of people w similar yearly payouts who were clearly better players.

Vic hasn't gotten many pressures his entire career...I just never understood what they thought they were getting.  If he played well, we couldn't and shouldn't keep him (don't have the money, and he's inconsistent) and if he played poorly, then you shouldn't have paid him 13 mil.  Paying the guy hoping for a comp pick just seemed like a bad move.  It's not like it's revisionist, most thought it at the time.

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2 minutes ago, Stryka said:

He comes off the books already. Vic is as good as gone and with that we get 13 million back. Trufant has regressed and isn’t worthy of his salary but idk if we want 5 mill in dead money. I hope we can trade Vic and add a couple pieces to experiment with this year. 

No, we don't get the $13mm back in 2020.   The $13mm spent on Vic's salary in 2019 is GONE - forever!   The Salary Cap H#LL of 2020 is what it is w/o Vic on the books at all.

Had the Falcons not paid Vic this year through the idiotic 5th year option - we could have spent that money elsewhere for 2019 - or - a better plan would have been to just use those monies for 2020 when we knew we were gonna have salary cap struggles.

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5 minutes ago, ya_boi_j said:

who are those players and how are they performing compared to Vic

And just in general...could have used 5 mil of that money to add on the the OG money and get an actual good OG instead of 2 backup caliber guys.   Then still had 8 to use to get a project.

 

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12 minutes ago, g-dawg said:

Walk me through your math.

 

CONTRACT TERMS:5 yr(s) / $68,750,000 SIGNING BONUS$15,000,000 AVERAGE SALARY$13,750,000 GTD AT SIGN:$20,776,000 TOTAL GTD:$41,526,000 FREE AGENT:2023 / UFA
  BONUS BREAKDOWN CAP DETAILS CASH DETAILS  
YEAR   AGE BASE SALARY SIGNING OPTION CAP HIT DEAD CAP YEARLY CASH  
2017 Contract details by year 26 $1,526,000 $3,000,000 - $4,526,000 $20,776,000 $16,526,000($16,526,000)  
2018 Contract details by year 27 $8,500,000 $3,000,000 $1,400,000 $12,900,000 $27,500,000 $15,500,000($32,026,000)  
2019 Contract details by year 28 $9,500,000 $3,000,000 $1,400,000 $13,900,000 $24,100,000 $9,500,000($41,526,000)  
2020 Contract details by year 29 $10,750,000 $3,000,000 $1,400,000 $15,150,000 $10,200,000 $10,750,000($52,276,000)  
2021 Contract details by year 30 $11,750,000 $3,000,000 $1,400,000 $16,150,000 $5,800,000 $11,750,000($64,026,000)  
2022 Contract details by year 31 $12,750,000 - $1,400,000 $14,150,000 $1,400,000 $12,750,000($76,776,000)  
2023 Free Agent Year 32 UFA

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/atlanta-falcons/desmond-trufant-12302/

 

2019 trade = 4.5 mil dead cap, 9.5m cap savings for 2019

10.2m dead cap for 2020. Still a net savings of 5.5m for 2020 plus the rollover from 2019.

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6 minutes ago, g-dawg said:

No, we don't get the $13mm back in 2020.   The $13mm spent on Vic's salary in 2019 is GONE - forever!   The Salary Cap H#LL of 2020 is what it is w/o Vic on the books at all.

Had the Falcons not paid Vic this year through the idiotic 5th year option - we could have spent that money elsewhere for 2019 - or - a better plan would have been to just use those monies for 2020 when we knew we were gonna have salary cap struggles.

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/atlanta-falcons/vic-beasley-16732/

 

This clearly says we do. Post 6-1 trade = 12.8 mil cap space. Only trade though. Releasing him is 12.8 mil in dead cap.

 

Dont use sportrac for all of these examples if youre just going to claim theyre wrong.

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Unfortunately trading Vic at this point only saves us $6 million in cap space as we already paid part of his salary. They (Kirwan, and Brady Quinn) were talking about Victor Bustley yesterday on Sat Radio. 

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