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Next Move - Trade Hooper for 3rd rounder

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I know all the man-love for Austin Hooper in TATF but trading him is the smart move.
 

Hoop is good - not great.  He’s not a vertical threat and not some freakish end zone weapon.

Hoop will likely command $9-10mm/yr in open market where the top guys that hit UFA are overpaid.

Falcons already have potential replacement on roster in Jaden Graham just like Russell Gage is replacement for Sanu.

This move paired with Sanu trade give new GM and HC the opportunity to reshape this roster and free up cap space.  If some team is desperate and wants to franchise and re/sign him - maybe Falcons get lucky and garner 2nd rounder in return.

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Hoop is not commanding anything close to 9-10 M in FA. Hooper is very underrated on these boards and Graham is no where his replacement. I don’t want lame duck regime deciding on key players. That should be up to new HC and GM. 
sanu’s trade pretty much shows they want flexibility to keep Hoops.

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Why?

 

Hooper may not be a vertical threat, but neither was Gonzalez during his time here because all of his speed and athletic ability was pretty much gone the last 5 years of his career.

 

You don't have to be an athletic freak to become a really good TE. Gronk and Kelce aren't the rule.

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26 minutes ago, g-dawg said:

I know all the man-love for Austin Hooper in TATF but trading him is the smart move.
 

Hoop is good - not great.  He’s not a vertical threat and not some freakish end zone weapon.

Hoop will likely command $9-10mm/yr in open market where the top guys that hit UFA are overpaid.

Falcons already have potential replacement on roster in Jaden Graham just like Russell Gage is replacement for Sanu.

This move paired with Sanu trade give new GM and HC the opportunity to reshape this roster and free up cap space.  If some team is desperate and wants to franchise and re/sign him - maybe Falcons get lucky and garner 2nd rounder in return.

Delete this thread!!! You sound like a dunk sailor. Next time, use your common sense man...You don’t divulge a player you have developed and is becoming Martty’s favorite  target. He is part of the the long term plan and he will be extended.

 

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1 minute ago, DawnOfThemBirds said:

 

Why?

 

Hooper may not be a vertical threat, but neither was Gonzalez during his time here because all of his speed and athletic ability was pretty much gone the last 5 years of his career.

 

You don't have to be an athletic freak to become a really good TE. Gronk and Kelce aren't the rule.

This board loves athletes not football players. You know, the same stuff TD does.

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26 minutes ago, g-dawg said:

I know all the man-love for Austin Hooper in TATF but trading him is the smart move.
 

Hoop is good - not great.  He’s not a vertical threat and not some freakish end zone weapon.

Hoop will likely command $9-10mm/yr in open market where the top guys that hit UFA are overpaid.

Falcons already have potential replacement on roster in Jaden Graham just like Russell Gage is replacement for Sanu.

This move paired with Sanu trade give new GM and HC the opportunity to reshape this roster and free up cap space.  If some team is desperate and wants to franchise and re/sign him - maybe Falcons get lucky and garner 2nd rounder in return.

Delete this thread!!! You sound like a dunk sailor. Next time, use your common sense man...You don’t divulge a player you have developed and is becoming Matty Ice’s favorite  target. He is part of the the long term plan and he will be extended.

 

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No way we can do better than a 3rd round pick for Hooper, at least a 2nd. But yes with the emergence of Jaeden Graham, Hooper is expendable. Also get Jake "who needs to work for state farm" Matthews the heck out of the building, he blows. Let's start stacking draft picks.

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Keep Hooper if we can get him at 7/8 mill a year. He’s gotten better every year- now he’s playing at a pro bowl level. Which might price us out of the game. His agent may ask for 12mill which we shouldn’t pay. Can’t have that kind of money tied up in WR QB and TE

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I mean, OP has a point. The falcons have been giving top dollar to a lot of average to above average guys. Freeman, Trufant, etc. Even the Debo and Jarrett contracts don’t look that great at this current moment. That could change though. Im torn. I like Hooper. He’s a decent player. But that’s just it, he’s decent. He’s not a star or a significant difference maker 

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No sense in hating this thread. It's true. If that opportunity presents itself, we have to go for it. His situation is similar to Sanu. Trade him to a contender not in our division if you can get a third. If you're gonna rebuild, whether it's a house, car, team, etc. You have to make these moves. Ryan and Julio included.

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Just now, Sipifalcon said:

They are going to keep Hooper. He's young and ascending.

He’s not ascending - he is close to his ceiling.

Falcons already have huge investments in their #1 & #2 receiving targets in Julio($22mm/yr) and Ridley(1st rd) who will be re-signed.   Too many other needs and too little salary cap space to overpay for a #3 option that isn’t a playmaker.

Falcons have greater needs at passrusher DE, DT, CB, LB, S and still might need a Center as well.

Jaden Graham has shown great promise and is cost controlled.  Falcons are in worst shape from salary cap standpoint than any team in NFL - that isn’t a good place to be - paying Hooper exacerbates the situation.

No sir.

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No Way. There are not many very good and productive TE's and we are lucky to have one of the good ones.

Ryan, Julio, Ridley & Hooper are the keepers. We could use a better RB and need to replace Sanu for a younger and productive WR3. 

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5 minutes ago, stingbee said:

Delete this thread!!! You sound like a dunk sailor. Next time, use your common sense man...You don’t divulge a player you have developed and is becoming Marty’s favorite  target. He is part of the the long term plan and he will be extended.

 

How do you know this did u get a Guarantee from his agent that we were re-signing him. He should be a part of the long-term plan but not at 11/12 million a year, teams Lose Players every year because of the salary cap. Hooper not being here in 2020 is a real possibility 

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Sorry, G, I totally disagree on Hoop. He's the reason Sanu was expendable. He is doing the work that MS used to do. If the purpose of cap space is to get great players, then it makes no sense to send him packing. 

On a related note, I doubt there is any circumstance where the Falcons part with him for less than a first rounder. Especially when Sanu just brought a second. 

 

If they really wanted to get creative, they need to dig as deep as possible into the rules and find a way to ditch Julio before the end of the month that doesn't wreck our cap. That's the albatross of albatross contracts. 

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6 minutes ago, JD dirtybird21 said:

I mean, OP has a point. The falcons have been giving top dollar to a lot of average to above average guys. Freeman, Trufant, etc. Even the Debo and Jarrett contracts don’t look that great at this current moment. That could change though. Im torn. I like Hooper. He’s a decent player. But that’s just it, he’s decent. He’s not a star or a significant difference maker 

 

Freeman was really good until all the injuries, which happens. It sucks, but it happens.

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8 minutes ago, g-dawg said:

He’s not ascending - he is close to his ceiling.

Falcons already have huge investments in their #1 & #2 receiving targets in Julio($22mm/yr) and Ridley(1st rd) who will be re-signed.   Too many other needs and too little salary cap space to overpay for a #3 option that isn’t a playmaker.

Falcons have greater needs at passrusher DE, DT, CB, LB, S and still might need a Center as well.

Jaden Graham has shown great promise and is cost controlled.  Falcons are in worst shape from salary cap standpoint than any team in NFL - that isn’t a good place to be - paying Hooper exacerbates the situation.

No sir.

Ridley is being paid peanuts, by the time he is getting big money Julio will be gone (assuming he ever earns it).  The cap from a pass catching standpoint is not an issue, overall yes but Hooper is a 2B option anyway.

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The issues with the team are overstates by the OP and that's why he wants to trade Hooper.

We fix passrusher and CB with a healthy OL and we're a much better team.

SS, LB, RB and C are luxury right now. Many other teams have done better with worse. Namely our most hated rival.

The above with better coaching changes A LOT. Not losing Hooper in the process helps tremendously.

We have a true replacement for Sanu in Gage. We've all seen it. Jaden Graham is not a replacement for Hooper. He is, however, a replacement for Stocker.

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Just now, Malachore said:

This is a terrible idea my guy. 

No it’s not.  Tough calls are something the Falcons have been unwilling to do for the last 11yrs.  Paying Hoop $9-10mm/yr on 4-5 yr deal would be more of the same.   
 

Falcons would have on offense:

QB - $30mm/yr

WR - $22mm/yr

LT - $17mm/yr

OC - $10mm/yr

RB - $8mm/yr (likely cut)

2nd WR (1st rd pick)

RG (1st rd pick)

RT (1st rd pick)

Now you want to add to that a $10mm TE?  Really?

Which sounds like a Belicheck move?  Overpaying for Hoop or trading him?

 

 

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