I Even Bleed Red

I'm on the trade Julio and keep Sanu bandwagon

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49 minutes ago, I Even Bleed Red said:

You don't have any ideas of your own, you stupid $h!tbag. You just emotionally attached to a player.  

It's not crazy. It's the right move. 

LMAO. You don't need ideas to know when a player cant be traded. Stupid name calling is not gonna change that. 

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1 hour ago, I Even Bleed Red said:

What do I win, 007?

Let's hear your critique as to why instead of name calling...

He came at me the same way when I was saying trade Beasley in 2016 don't worry, you're good.

Some dudes fall in love with players. FOs shouldn't, but clearly they have the same issue. If you want to win, every position except the QB is expendable. What's the point of having all these core guys on loaded contracts if we're still losing every week?

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14 minutes ago, falcons007 said:

 

We are not in the offseason, that ship has sailed. He cant be traded. 

This I know, you might want to reread my original response to the thread or you obviously have responded to the wrong person. I never said nothing about trading him now. That's what I was trying to tell them.

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1 hour ago, Stray Dog THA GAWD said:

Tevin definitely is.

I wouldn’t consider his 227 yards killing it, he’s done fine, just as he did here last year.  Fine.  He is still the second guy for a reason there too.

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1 hour ago, I Even Bleed Red said:

You don't have any ideas of your own, you stupid $h!tbag. You just emotionally attached to a player.  

It's not crazy. It's the right move. 

How do you make a post blatantly asking people to “Come at me bros” and then get extremely defensive and resort to name calling when someone does exactly what you wanted.  Seems childish and unnecessary.

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1 hour ago, I Even Bleed Red said:

Preface: I like Julio and he's one of the best WRs in the league. But hear me out now.

Premise: Let's compare players to Stocks. IF that's true, it doesn't make sense for anyone, especially the owner, of such stocks to be emotionally invested. Because investments GENERALLY give up the best dividends (or returns) when they're not picked "intuitively" but rather based on cold hearted decisions. 

Concept: There is a difference between Price and Value = > while these are generally directly related, they are NOT the same things! In fact, sometimes can even be indirectly related.  

Some "stocks" (players) are overpriced. They are still great players! GREAT players, who contribute A LOT individually but they take AWAY from the team as a WHOLE. 

Similarly, some players (stocks) are undervalued. They are great "deals" for the TEAM overall.

Or vice versa. 

Example: Julio Jones is overpriced, Mohammed Sanu is undervalued. 

Both statements are true. 

Conclusion: Keeping Sanu, who's a VERY GOOD receiver and getting a lot more for Julio (who is a great receiver), than we would for Sanu ---> best returns for the TEAM. 

Yeah I said it! Come at me bros! :munch:

If we could get a solid offensive line for Julio absolutely.

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2 hours ago, I Even Bleed Red said:

You don't have any ideas of your own, you stupid $h!tbag. You just emotionally attached to a player.  

It's not crazy. It's the right move. 

The emotional name calling is crazy ironic. It can't happen because we'd literally have 60+ mil dead money on the books. We don't even have that much free next year. Even if we cut enough players to make it possible, it'd cripple the team for years. 

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People clearly don't understand the salary cap and dead money implications trading Julio would have. We'd have over $40m in dead cap over the next 2 years.

It's not happening move on to something sensible.

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8 hours ago, I Even Bleed Red said:

So what you trying to say, GAWD?

He’s trying to say Shanahan has coached them both and he wants Sanu over Julio! What’s that tell you??

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As much as people complain about Ryan’s contract, I think it is par for the course for QBs in the NFL these days. Fact: you don’t win in the NFL without a solid QB.

 

Julio though, while he is elite at his position, I think it is just structurally a terrible position to find yourself heavily invested in as it seemingly has a poor return on investment (along with RB, where we also have a high priced player.) 

 

 

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14 hours ago, I Even Bleed Red said:

You don't have any ideas of your own, you stupid $h!tbag. You just emotionally attached to a player.  

It's not crazy. It's the right move. 

You started a thread like this and you call someone else a “stupid $h!tbag? 
 

oh, the irony of it all.

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While shipping g out Julio is crazy, this team seriously might want to ship out some players for picks. The new HC is going to need more picks and new bodies on defense.

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Atlanta (and the south in general) has a problem with hero worship. You think New Yorkers worship Eli? Heck no. Dude only got them 2 Super Bowls. But he's now "a bum" in most of their eyes.

Look at the history of Atlanta sports. How many amazing INDIVIDUAL talents have we had? You can rattle them off:

Aaron, Maravich, Pele, Sanders, Wilkins, Maddox, Vick, Kovulcek, Jones, Martinez

These were players that by all accounts should have been on championship teams and had MULTIPLE trophies. Yet what do we have to show for all that. A measly THREE and two of those in soccer.

if you want a championship TEAM, you build a team. You don't favor individuals. Or if you do, you get complimentary players. Jordan went YEARS in Chicago until they figured it out. Ryan is handicapped by a weaker OL. Julio is handicapped by Ryan's weaker deep ball. TBH they aren't really a great complimentary pair.

Blank has stayed that Ryan will never leave Atlanta. He said this about Julio. He also said it about Vick. As much as he has tried, he is cutting our GM off at the knees with comments like this.

Think of the GREAT receivers and QBs that were traded late in their career:

Unitas, Montana, Rice, Owens, Gonzalez, Favre, Manning

Our clutching onto the "almost had" in 2016 and our hero worship is clouding the vision for this franchise. I'd trade Jones and/or Ryan tomorrow if it was possible and if it was the best thing to do for the TEAM. I've followed the Falcons for 50+ years. I know what it looks like when a window is slamming shut. I'm getting old. And grumpy. And I want a ******* ring.

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8 hours ago, I Even Bleed Red said:

Preface: I like Julio and he's one of the best WRs in the league. But hear me out now.

Premise: Let's compare players to Stocks. IF that's true, it doesn't make sense for anyone, especially the owner, of such stocks to be emotionally invested. Because investments GENERALLY give up the best dividends (or returns) when they're not picked "intuitively" but rather based on cold hearted decisions. 

Concept: There is a difference between Price and Value = > while these are generally directly related, they are NOT the same things! In fact, sometimes can even be indirectly related.  

Some "stocks" (players) are overpriced. They are still great players! GREAT players, who contribute A LOT individually but they take AWAY from the team as a WHOLE. 

Similarly, some players (stocks) are undervalued. They are great "deals" for the TEAM overall.

Or vice versa. 

Example: Julio Jones is overpriced, Mohammed Sanu is undervalued. 

Both statements are true. 

Conclusion: Keeping Sanu, who's a VERY GOOD receiver and getting a lot more for Julio (who is a great receiver), than we would for Sanu ---> best returns for the TEAM. 

Yeah I said it! Come at me bros! :munch:

I wish somehow your dumb idea could come true. Julio deserves to have a team with a real QB and a worthy fan base. As long as MR is the starting QB this team will always be an "also ran". ... . Thank goodness horse racings and casinos are on its way to Atlanta. That stadium was build for soccer. I don't see things getting much better for this team anytime soon. 

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9 hours ago, I Even Bleed Red said:

Preface: I like Julio and he's one of the best WRs in the league. But hear me out now.

Premise: Let's compare players to Stocks. IF that's true, it doesn't make sense for anyone, especially the owner, of such stocks to be emotionally invested. Because investments GENERALLY give up the best dividends (or returns) when they're not picked "intuitively" but rather based on cold hearted decisions. 

Concept: There is a difference between Price and Value = > while these are generally directly related, they are NOT the same things! In fact, sometimes can even be indirectly related.  

Some "stocks" (players) are overpriced. They are still great players! GREAT players, who contribute A LOT individually but they take AWAY from the team as a WHOLE. 

Similarly, some players (stocks) are undervalued. They are great "deals" for the TEAM overall.

Or vice versa. 

Example: Julio Jones is overpriced, Mohammed Sanu is undervalued. 

Both statements are true. 

Conclusion: Keeping Sanu, who's a VERY GOOD receiver and getting a lot more for Julio (who is a great receiver), than we would for Sanu ---> best returns for the TEAM. 

Yeah I said it! Come at me bros! :munch:

I agree!!!

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7 hours ago, JD dirtybird21 said:

Take it easy guys. No need for name calling 

 

Please, just one time.

 

It makes me feel better about myself because I'm usually the names that I call other people.

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9 hours ago, I Even Bleed Red said:

Preface: I like Julio and he's one of the best WRs in the league. But hear me out now.

Premise: Let's compare players to Stocks. IF that's true, it doesn't make sense for anyone, especially the owner, of such stocks to be emotionally invested. Because investments GENERALLY give up the best dividends (or returns) when they're not picked "intuitively" but rather based on cold hearted decisions. 

Concept: There is a difference between Price and Value = > while these are generally directly related, they are NOT the same things! In fact, sometimes can even be indirectly related.  

Some "stocks" (players) are overpriced. They are still great players! GREAT players, who contribute A LOT individually but they take AWAY from the team as a WHOLE. 

Similarly, some players (stocks) are undervalued. They are great "deals" for the TEAM overall.

Or vice versa. 

Example: Julio Jones is overpriced, Mohammed Sanu is undervalued. 

Both statements are true. 

Conclusion: Keeping Sanu, who's a VERY GOOD receiver and getting a lot more for Julio (who is a great receiver), than we would for Sanu ---> best returns for the TEAM. 

Yeah I said it! Come at me bros! :munch:

I have had similar train of thought. What you are saying is absolutely facts! It’s a high rope. What do you do when your best players want more $$$? Michael Thomas got this, and makes more than me. Or QBx got paid!!! It never fails 9/10 times once they are paid their production is never the same.  By the same token what good does paying players if you can’t get the ball to them? 
 

I like Sanu better than Julio! I am not saying Sanu is better than Julio. However, Sanu does offer different other skill sets that Julio doesn’t. 

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Question to peeps that want Sanu over Julio and are actually being serious. Do you honestly think Sanu would have beaten Ramsey off the line as easy as Julio was yesterday, simple yes or no. 

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