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Looking to the Future: What Prospects Are You Sold On?

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As of right now, we hold the 4th pick in the draft. This draft can benefit us in many ways, as it is very deep in OL and interior DL.

With that said, there are only a select few players I am 100% sold on that high in the draft so far. 

1. Chase Young EDGE Ohio State - As long as we continue to lose, you are guaranteed to hear this name a lot in these boards(as often as Gurley and Beasley in 2015, or Mack and Clowney in 2014). Chase Young is possibly the best pass rushing prospect since either Mack and Clowney in 2014, or Von Miller in 2011. Yes, that means higher than the Bosa brothers, who also hailed from Ohio State. He's got that special blend of size and athleticism off the edges. Uses his hands well, and bends the edge perfectly. He is slippery, and forces fumbles when he gets to the QB.  

The down side to Chase Young, has nothing to do with Chase Young. The down side is that the DE class drops off after him, in regards to elite pass rushers.  IMO, he's the only elite pass rusher off the edge in this draft.

Young would give us that cornerstone pass rusher that we have been craving, and needing, since JA55 departed. Our back 7 would look a lot better with a steady, legitimate pass rush. Young would be the biggest step possible towards that goal next off-season.  

2. Andrew Thomas G/T Georgia - Like Chase Young, Thomas is one of the better prospects his position has seen in recent years. His potential is off the charts, and has a ridiculous athleticism for the OL position. He is massive already, and has the team to handle adding weight, without losing athletacism. He's also got exceptional length.

Our OL is something that needs to be addressed, almost as much as the pass rush.  If given the opportunity to draft Thomas, we could either slot him in at LG, and see him dominate from day 1 like Nelson did for the Colts. If we want to slot him at RT, we could slide McGary to LG, and he could still show off his grit and athleticism next to Jake Matthews. 

Bottom line, you will always find a spot on the OL with a versatile talent like Andrew Thomas. Not only do we need to protect the QB, but we also need to get a boost in our running game. The inconsistency in our running game is a very underrated reason why our offense has been inconsistent the past couple years. 

3. Derrick Brown DT Auburn - If Brown would have entered the 2019 draft, a few people would have put him toe to toe with Quinnen Williams and Ed Oliver as the best DT prospects in that draft, and he would have been well ahead of the 2nd group that was led by Christian Wilkins, IMO. 

Brown is an absolute monster of a DT, with an exceptional blend of size and athleticism.  He has a crazy burst off the ball, that you just don't see from a man that stands 6'5" and over 300 lbs.  

Adding Brown would give us an exceptional tandem of Grady Jarrett and Derrick Brown on the interior. Our defense as a whole has been god awful, but adding Brown would bolster not only our interior pass rush, but would allow us to take a big step forward in defending the run.

4. Tua Tagovailoa QB Alabama - Until I watch more of Justin Herbert, Tua is the only QB I would be confident taking in the 2020 draft. I am on the side of keeping Matt Ryan, but we all need to consider that a potential new HC and GM may want to start a new era at the QB position. If we are in position to grab Tua, it means that not only did we not improve the rest of 2019, but things got even worse.  If a new regime wants to go with the youth movement at the QB position, then Tua would be my choice to be the new face of the franchise, while also being able to deal Matt Ryan for multiple high draft picks.  

Tua has a cannon of an arm, and has an accurate deep ball. He's one of the poster boys for the "new" NFL QB.  He can either drop a 30 yard dime in the breadbasket, or make defenders miss on a 25 yard run. He has all the mental and physical tools of a franchise QB, and someone who I would approve of replacing Matt Ryan if a new regime wishes to go that route. 

***NOTE***: I want Matt Ryan as thus teams QB, and he has shown no signs of slowing down. Outside of a few INT due to miscommunication to star the year, he has been on an absolute tear this year. He is also showing a potential future HC that an elite Matt Ryan isn't enough to win you games without a defense, OL, or running game. The only reason I listed Tua, is because we need to come to the realization that a new regime with a new GM and HC may want to start from scratch, and really clean house. I dont think AB would allow that, but I also am not convinced that route isn't out of the question. There's slot of questions that need to be answered next off-season, and the direction of the QB(if we have a top 2-3 pick) may need to be discussed, especially if we are offered a 1st round pick, and another high round pick.

As of now, these are the only prospects I am fully on board with for the 2020 draft, if we are going to have a top 3-5 pick. The combination of Matt Ryan and Julio Jones are simply too talented to win only 1-3 games. Although, I think getting a Chase Young would be much more important to our future, than a couple more meaningless wins in a lost year.

There are some prospects that I like, but I simply don't think a high 1st would warrant a pick at that position.  

Here are some players that I am talking about:

- Jeffrey Okudah CB Ohio State - The reason I wouldn't take Okudah with a top 5 pick is that CB isn't a position that would benefit us as greatly as other positions like DL and OL, unless it's a prosepct like Jalen Ramsey or Patrick Peterson. Okudah simply isn't on that level, so I would have to pass. He is a great prospect, but I would only take him WITH THIS ROSTER if it was outside of the top 10. Another roster could use a great CB, so that could warrant a top 10 pick. Our defense is in too much trouble to grab a CB in the first. A pass rush alone would improve the CB's we already have. Pass rush comes first. 

Jerry Jeudy WR Alabama - Even if he is the best WR prospect in recent years, he is a pick that I wouldn't take in the high 1st FOR THIS TEAM.  Maybe for another team. Similar to Okudah, addressing other parts of the offense will improve our offense more than a WR.  Adding a tip level talent to the OL, would do more than a top level WR. More time in the passing game, will give Matt more time to get the ball to players like Ridley and Julio, or open holes for players like Freeman and Ito. I would rather grab an elite RB, than an elite WR, even considering the current shelf life for an average NFL RB.  

Grant Delpit S LSU - If we didn't have Keanu already, than I would be all on board for Delpit as a top 5-1p pick. While I certainly think he could play FS, I think he's a much better fit at SS.  If I'm spending a high 1st on a FS, then that prospect needs to have the range of an Earl Thomas, or the complete game of an Eric Berry or Jamal Adams.

There are a few more DL prospects I'm going to look over the next few days, but these are the players I think are the top prospects in the draft, when you also include fit. There will be some B level prospects I will talk about down the line(16-32 range), but that will be a while. The first 4 players I listed, are the only "home run" prospects I see as an elite fit so far in this draft class. If we want an elite edge rusher in the 1st, then there is a bug drop off after Chase Young, until someone makes a late season push, and also has a great pre-draft/combine showing.  This 1st round(as of now) is littered with QB's, WR's, OL, and DT. I just hope we can man a player in April that we are ALL on board with, because this next draft is a BIG crossroads for this franchises future. We whiff in the 2020 draft, and we could be looking at quite a few top 10 selections over the next few years.

 

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3 minutes ago, ike barn87987 said:

There's only 2 players we should be looking at 1st rd. Young and Brown. DL help.

Andrew Thomas HAS to be thrown in there as well. He could either be an all-pro at LG or RT, and move McGary inside. I still thinklindtrom will be elite, but we clearly need to address the OL. OL and Edge rushers should be the number one focus this off-season.  Anything other than that, would be QB, and that's only if the new regime wants to trade Matt Ryan.  

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5 minutes ago, ike barn87987 said:

There's only 2 players we should be looking at 1st rd. Young and Brown. DL help.

If losing most of the games remaining gets us chase young, then so be it. That dude is the ONLY elite edge rusher at this current juncture. 

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11 minutes ago, kiwifalcon said:

Edge has to be the spot addressed first.

If we do manage to get a top 5 pick I’m going with the above sentence.

Pass rush has been a mission for so long I think we have to try our best to resolve this in the draft.

Sad part is, the only elite edge rusher at this point looks to be chase young.  There is a HUGE drop off after young, when it comes to pure pass rushers off the edge. 

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19 minutes ago, ike barn87987 said:

There's only 2 players we should be looking at 1st rd. Young and Brown. DL help.

Another player I'm watching tape on right now is Javon Kinlaw, the DT from South Carolina. I really like what I see. If I would have made this post in a couple days, he would probably be in the group of Young, Thomas, Brown, and Tagovailoa. He's that good of a prospect, and has great production to pair with it. I would out him a hair below those guys, and my current favorite if we are picking after 10, assuming those original 4 are gone.  If you go to walterfootball's rankings of the 2020 DE class, it gets really ugly after Young. The only other current "lock" for the 1st is AJ Espensa(sp?) out of Iowa, and his bread and butter is run defending, and is a very raw pass rushing prospect. When it comes to 1st round talent at the pass rushing DE spot in the 2020 draft class, it really starts and ends with Chase Young. This DE class is VERY UGLY after him. We may see only 2-3 DE drafted in the first round, and that's assuming someone climbs the boards after the combine.  If the draft were right now, only Chase And AJ would probably crack the WHOLE 1st round.  That's scary when it comes to our options for fixing the pass rush, because we probably won't have the money to get pass rush help in FA, nor will there probably be a FA pass rusher worth throwing money at. If TD is still here, I could EASILY see us trading up for Chase Young, due to the lack of pass rushers in this draft and the need we gave for one. Even if we get a new GM, I could see him reading up for Young, if we are not giving up more than a 2nd and 3rd/4th(preferably from separate drafts). I think DQ could succeed if we had a pass rush. I wouldn't be against keeping him and TD, but that's only if we got a pass rush. I've seen where he can take us, and we would have gone pretty far in 2016 without Shanahan. Maybe not SB far, but we would have still probably won a playoff game or two, because our defense was playing great with a consistent pass rush later in the season/playoffs. I'm 50/50 for giving DQ one more season, trading up for Chase Young(if we aren't in reach), and if it doesn't work, then we clean house. That includes trading Matt and Julio, and going for Trevor Lawrence or Justin Fields to pair with a defense that has a lot of young cornerstones to rebuild around. DQ has shown too much to give up on after only 1 god awful season.  He only has 1 season below .500, and we were filling the IR and injury report on a weekly basis that year(last year). Go all out this next off-season for pass rush(withiut giving up a 2021 1st), give DQ one more season, and if it doesn't workout, start from sratch with our young building blocks we already have(Ridley, DeBo, Grady, Keanu, Lindstrom, McGary, and a few others) and grab either Justin fields or Trevor Lawrence to start a new era. That would leave Julio nearing mid 30s, and Matt Ryan 36, and we can trade them for whatever, while also clearing some money.  

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Great write-up Laurant. We should do what it takes to nab Young or Brown. We need a dominant, immediate impact player up front with our top pick, something TD fails to bring home time and time again. I believe he fancies himself as some sort of genius when in fact he's just an arrogant egomaniac **** bent on trying to be the smartest guy in the room but hopefully, and for the sake of this franchise, he's gone by New Year's Eve along with Quinn. I don't share your enthusiasm for DQ and feel he should be gone along with TD. I think we're still at the least a year or 2 away from looking seriously at our next QB which is good because we need to build this team from the inside out anyways, even if QB were a dire immediate need. Not only that, in my opinion Blank likely won't even entertain bringing someone in that wants to move on from Ryan. Like him or not he's here for another 2 years at the very least and Blank will want to hire somebody that sees Ryan as he does, a lifer here til the end or close to it. I do like the idea of Lawrence or Fields looking ahead though.

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3 minutes ago, Knight of God said:

Grant Delpit

 

if we are going to use this system, Free Safety is 100% the most important position and we just don’t have the right skill set right now

We could have 2 all pro CB's,and 2 all-pro safeties, but it will ALWAYS be useless if we are putting up 0 sacks every game. DB's always look better with a better pass rush. Pass rush needs to come 1st. 

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21 minutes ago, LaurentRobinsonDaGawd said:

We could have 2 all pro CB's,and 2 all-pro safeties, but it will ALWAYS be useless if we are putting up 0 sacks every game. DB's always look better with a better pass rush. Pass rush needs to come 1st. 

Facts. I remember when TD brought in Dunta Robinson to address our pathetic pass rush when it was clear where the problem was. :bang:

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33 minutes ago, LaurentRobinsonDaGawd said:

We could have 2 all pro CB's,and 2 all-pro safeties, but it will ALWAYS be useless if we are putting up 0 sacks every game. DB's always look better with a better pass rush. Pass rush needs to come 1st. 

Yes and no. Close, but not quite.

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3 hours ago, Knight of God said:

Grant Delpit

 

if we are going to use this system, Free Safety is 100% the most important position and we just don’t have the right skill set right now

It’s a team game, but Delpit is a guy who could transform an entire defense. 

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4 hours ago, ike barn87987 said:

There's only 2 players we should be looking at 1st rd. Young and Brown. DL help.

I feel like Brown would help the team most.  He looks really powerful in game.  Teams are killing us right up the middle so I think having a special big man would really improve what we're doing.  Plus, with two stud DTs I think even average DEs could get home.  Wouldn't be mad about rolling the dice with Young either tho.

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19 minutes ago, DogIsYourName said:

I feel like Brown would help the team most.  He looks really powerful in game.  Teams are killing us right up the middle so I think having a special big man would really improve what we're doing.  Plus, with two stud DTs I think even average DEs could get home.  Wouldn't be mad about rolling the dice with Young either tho.

He looks like a lock to come in and be a force. It's bittersweet that we're currently even talking about being in a position to nab one of these guys before week 7 even kicks off :(. I hope we don't blow it with a bunch of moral victories that have us picking in the teens again. If we don't have a chance at the 32nd pick then we need to shoot for the future and really go for a game changer.

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49 minutes ago, Vandy said:

It’s a team game, but Delpit is a guy who could transform an entire defense. 

And you are the reason I’m sold on him

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i think the new GM and HC should sign a Fa DE or pull of trade. This defense needs alpha dog leaders on that line. Grady is great player but he is not the leader. This team needs some one to bring them together and play as team.

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12 minutes ago, falcons007 said:

i think the new GM and HC should sign a Fa DE or pull of trade. This defense needs alpha dog leaders on that line. Grady is great player but he is not the leader. This team needs some one to bring them together and play as team.

Would be awesome to draft Young or Brown and then pair them with one of the free agents below. Would completely transform the defensive line.

Chris Jones

Jadeveon Clowney

Leonard Williams

Yannick Ngakoue

 

 

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2 minutes ago, virginiafalcon said:

Would be awesome to draft Young or Brown and then pair them with one of the free agents below. Would completely transform the defensive line.

Chris Jones

Jadeveon Clowney

Leonard Williams

Yannick Ngakoue

 

 

We need some bold action like this.

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I would say Young is easily a better pass rusher than Clowney was coming out, his abilities as a pass rusher was way overrated for whatever reason, even though the play that got him his hype was a run stop lol. Just as far as talent goes, I’d him behind only Miller, Mack, and Myles Garrett. I personally like him more than both Bosa brothers as well. I disagree on Delpit, I think in terms of talent at least puts him as a top 5 prospect. The issue with him as how much the team that is going to pick him values the safety position. He’s probably the best safety prospect since Eric Berry, and you could make the argument that he’s a better overall player than Berry coming out. I have no issue taking him at 5th overall if were to pull the trigger. I’ll end this by saying that Derrick Brown is probably the only guy left right now that I’d like if we end up drafting high. I wanted him this years draft but he decided to stay another year. :argh:

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50 minutes ago, virginiafalcon said:

Would be awesome to draft Young or Brown and then pair them with one of the free agents below. Would completely transform the defensive line.

Chris Jones

Jadeveon Clowney

Leonard Williams

Yannick Ngakoue

 

 

Give me Chris Jones all day long, but if the chiefs let him actually walk they’re complete idiots. Aside from him, I’d take a shot at Leonard Williams even though he’s been a disappointment. I like Clowney but I hesitate giving him a really big pay day for a guy that isn’t a truly great pass rusher. I’d stay away from Ngakoue, he’s gonna get big money for being a one-trick pony. 

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4 hours ago, Knight of God said:

Yes and no. Close, but not quite.

Yes sir. I feel you. That whole Seattle Defense doesnt exist without Thomas roaming the middle. 

In that same regard but to a lesser extent , as many bad *** players as the Ravens defense had it doesnt stay dominant without Reed. But I am biased. Reed was one of my favorite safeties all time. Instincts were off the charts. 

Same could be said about Polamalu as well. 

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