MAD597 7,351 Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 A lesson to some of you, sometimes you have to lose a battle to in the war. Those 3 wins at the end of last year obviously did not carry over any momentum to this season, did not inspire our coaches or players to perform better this year. The only thing it did was give us a mid round pick in each draft round. Not only did this impact our pick in the 1st rd it also lessened the value of our picks in each rd. With a top 5 pick which we were on pace for even if we drafted the same players in the first couple of rounds we could have traded back instead of traded up and gotten more picks.As we see this year depth is still a problem, we certainly could have used some more weight across the DL which an extra pick or two could have gotten us if we did not have to trade up for a second OL. Sometimes a long term strategy comes into play when you are having a losing season and have no shot at the playoff's. Those games at the end of last year meant nothing and hurt the long term progress for this team. vitaman, Summerhill, MilleniumFalcon and 22 others 25 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ATL_666 528 Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 I wonder what those people who were advocating for winning those meaningless games think about this season and how we should finish it, ending on a hot streak or losing for draft position? Doctor Kildare, Bunchy Carter, ike barn87987 and 4 others 7 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Vandy 37,570 Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 4 minutes ago, MAD597 said: A lesson to some of you, sometimes you have to lose a battle to in the war. Those 3 wins at the end of last year obviously did not carry over any momentum to this season, did not inspire our coaches or players to perform better this year. The only thing it did was give us a mid round pick in each draft round. Not only did this impact our pick in the 1st rd it also lessened the value of our picks in each rd. With a top 5 pick which we were on pace for even if we drafted the same players in the first couple of rounds we could have traded back instead of traded up and gotten more picks.As we see this year depth is still a problem, we certainly could have used some more weight across the DL which an extra pick or two could have gotten us if we did not have to trade up for a second OL. Sometimes a long term strategy comes into play when you are having a losing season and have no shot at the playoff's. Those games at the end of last year meant nothing and hurt the long term progress for this team. Yup..,,this team would be 5-1 instead of 1-5 if we had tanked (purposely lost) those 3 games. lesson learned. quickzero, NCFalconfan, A Dog Named Brian and 15 others 18 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
coastiemike 3,318 Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 Three players that come to mind that we lost out on due to winning a meaningless game at the end of a lost season: Von Miller, Khalil Mack, and Jadevon Clowney. B52Dawgs, XXVIII-III, vitaman and 4 others 7 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Monolith2001 4,656 Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 I forgot...which player were we going to draft who could play DL, LB, CB and Safety (simultaneously)...and scheme a working defense? A Dog Named Brian, Ergo Proxy, Vandy and 3 others 6 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MAD597 7,351 Posted October 14, 2019 Author Share Posted October 14, 2019 4 minutes ago, Vandy said: Yup..,,this team would be 5-1 instead of 1-5 if we had tanked (purposely lost) those 3 games. lesson learned. Point is those games we won at the end of last year had no carry over of anything positive, At least with a much better draft pick in each rd we would have had more options in our draft which could have made some difference this year and in the long term. One thing we know for sure those wins late last year did not translate into anything positive but a much better draft could have. Osiruz, Bquinn_11, Sidecar Falcon and 5 others 8 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Clean house 5,135 Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 don't worry, they will string together some more later on in the season just so we miss out on chase young MAD597 and Romfal 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MAD597 7,351 Posted October 14, 2019 Author Share Posted October 14, 2019 Just now, D.B.N. said: don't worry, they will string together some more later on in the season just so we miss out on chase young Yep, maybe if we get enough meaningless wins at the end of the year we can draft in the mid rounds again and keep Quinn and TD just to do this all over again next year!!!! Doctor Kildare, sdogg and Clean house 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rise 657 Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 Not happening this season no matter what. Arizona was supposed to be the easiest opportunity for a road win. If they alter the scheme and line-up, and the result is success, then there will be more questions. Not much else will be changed. Draft picks will not become dominant players. Maybe Gono, Senat, rookie safety, Cominsky but probably not. Kazee will not be moved to FS - because that should have been done earlier. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WhenFalconsWin 27,114 Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 4 minutes ago, Vandy said: Yup..,,this team would be 5-1 instead of 1-5 if we had tanked (purposely lost) those 3 games. lesson learned. I'll never understand the tankers? Colts tanked for Luck and he retires early, nothing is a guarantee. HouseofEuphoria, 11=team, Geneaut and 7 others 10 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Clean house 5,135 Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 Just now, MAD597 said: Yep, maybe if we get enough meaningless wins at the end of the year we can draft in the mid rounds again and keep Quinn and TD just to do this all over again next year!!!! Would be a dam shame Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Vandy 37,570 Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 3 minutes ago, MAD597 said: Point is those games we won at the end of last year had no carry over of anything positive, At least with a much better draft pick in each rd we would have had more options in our draft which could have made some difference this year and in the long term. One thing we know for sure those wins late last year did not translate into anything positive. And my point is We would still be talking about a bad football team. Ed oliver and his -0- sacks This year wouldn’t have changed our pathetic pass rush and overall defense. Artys Arryn, TheTrue7, Cole World and 8 others 11 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ATL_666 528 Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 7 minutes ago, Vandy said: Yup..,,this team would be 5-1 instead of 1-5 if we had tanked (purposely lost) those 3 games. lesson learned. Do you really not understand the premise of his statement and philosophy? sdogg and Doctor Kildare 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Vandy 37,570 Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 Just now, ATL_666 said: Do you really not understand the premise of his statement and philosophy? I did. And Mine obviously flew over your little brain. HouseofEuphoria, Knight of God, WhenFalconsWin and 4 others 7 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MAD597 7,351 Posted October 14, 2019 Author Share Posted October 14, 2019 3 minutes ago, WhenFalconsWin said: I'll never understand the tankers? Colts tanked for Luck and he retires early, nothing is a guarantee. So what long term value did those meaningless wins give us? All it did was hurt our draft position. Nothing carried over from those wins, no lessons learned, nothing MilleniumFalcon and NeonDeion 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ATL_666 528 Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Vandy said: I did. And Mine obviously flew over your little brain. Then why the disingenuous response? Draft position is about team building. Getting players who have the best chance of helping you have sustained success. No one stated that if we had the 3rd overall pick that we would be 5-1, but our chances at selecting the best players to help us win now and in the future would be greatly improved. Edited October 14, 2019 by ATL_666 Doctor Kildare, vitaman, MAD597 and 3 others 6 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Malachore 8,686 Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 I get what you are saying OP and to an extent agree with you but this team would still suck because of the people running it. Ergo Proxy, 408Falcon, Geneaut and 2 others 5 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Vandy 37,570 Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 Just now, ATL_666 said: The why the disingenuous response? Draft position is about team building. Getting players who have the best chance of helping you have sustained success. No one stated that if we had the 3rd overall pick that we would be 5-1, but our chances at selecting the best players to help us win now and in the future would be greatly improved. No it wouldn’t. Purposefully losing breeds A losing culture. See Cleveland browns for last 20 years. Falconsfan567, HouseofEuphoria, mqg96 and 10 others 13 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WhenFalconsWin 27,114 Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 Just now, MAD597 said: So what long term value did those meaningless wins give us? All it did was hurt our draft position. Nothing carried over from those wins, no lessons learned, nothing You never tank, You don't tug on superman's capeYou don't spit into the windYou don't pull the mask off that old lone rangerAnd you don't mess around with Jim quickzero, 11=team, Ergo Proxy and 3 others 6 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ATL_666 528 Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 1 minute ago, Vandy said: No it wouldn’t. Purposefully losing breeds A losing culture. See Cleveland browns for last 20 years. You're failing to point out the many more teams that constantly try to win, but do not. There are more of those teams than there are the Browns. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MAD597 7,351 Posted October 14, 2019 Author Share Posted October 14, 2019 Just now, Vandy said: No it wouldn’t. Purposefully losing breeds A losing culture. See Cleveland browns for last 20 years. Those wins late last year certainly didn't breed a winning culture here. If we do the same this year and it saves this coaching staff and TD we are going to be in the same boat next year. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Vandy 37,570 Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 Just now, ATL_666 said: You're failing to point out the many more teams that constantly try to win, but do not. There are more of those teams than there are the Browns. I’m not failing to do anything. Just stating my opinion supported by faces. Knight of God, Geneaut and Ergo Proxy 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jpg428gggg 1,324 Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 1 minute ago, Vandy said: No it wouldn’t. Purposefully losing breeds A losing culture. See Cleveland browns for last 20 years. Exactly. I bet the people who wanted us to tank are also complaining about the team giving up as well. I want a team full of players that are going to fight to win no matter the circumstances or score. This might be the biggest issue with this team. We don't have enough of those guys on the team. I know Ryan, Jarrett, Julio, and Sanu are those type of players. Who else is in that boat? Ergo Proxy, Vandy and Geneaut 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ATL_666 528 Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 1 minute ago, Vandy said: I’m not failing to do anything. Just stating my opinion supported by faces. Beautiful dodge there.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Vandy 37,570 Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 Just now, MAD597 said: Those wins late last year certainly didn't breed a winning culture here. If we do the same this year and it saves this coaching staff and TD we are going to be in the same boat next year. Coaching staff is gone, because they’ve lost this team. Basically what you guys are claiming is intentionally losing makes your team better in the long run. It doesn’t. Artys Arryn, Cole World, Ergo Proxy and 5 others 8 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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