Vandy Posted October 6, 2019 Share Posted October 6, 2019 Sark and Manuel were the problem, your apologies are accepted. Mr.11, Godzilla1985, Pacific_Falcon and 15 others 18 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dodge_birds_fan Posted October 6, 2019 Share Posted October 6, 2019 I already done mine in a topic lol Vandy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Godzilla1985 Posted October 6, 2019 Share Posted October 6, 2019 3 minutes ago, Vandy said: Sark and Manuel were the problem, your apologies are accepted. I’ll go ahead and say it. I was a total ******* for arguing with you in the Smitty vs Quinn thread a couple of months back. I was a dumb **** for sure. Vandy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiwifalcon Posted October 6, 2019 Share Posted October 6, 2019 I’d hire Manuel back as my DB coach in a heart beat. I’d try and coax Jim Schwartz or Kris Richard away from there respective teams. Sark no but I’d be scouring the league for a competent OC though. As far as I’m concerned DK MM & GK can all be put in the archives because that’s where there play calling belongs. DQ sorry my man you got us there but when your mantra is putting players in positions to succeed and preach finishing sorry bruh your history. Flyin' In DC, Beast-N-Da-Sheetz, Vandy and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Sarcomere Posted October 6, 2019 Share Posted October 6, 2019 They were scapegoated for sure. Sark did mostly well in year 2. Still had his moments, but overall he was good. Manuel on the other hand? He was never the answer. I was glad to see him go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vandy Posted October 6, 2019 Author Share Posted October 6, 2019 1 minute ago, Godzilla1985 said: I’ll go ahead and say it. I was a total ******* for arguing with you in the Smitty vs Quinn thread a couple of months back. I was a dumb **** for sure. Wasn’t directed at you bro.....you and I kissed and made up long ago.... Godzilla1985 and papachaz 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vandy Posted October 6, 2019 Author Share Posted October 6, 2019 1 minute ago, Lord Sarcomere said: They were scapegoated for sure. Sark did mostly well in year 2. Still had his moments, but overall he was good. Manuel on the other hand? He was never the answer. I was glad to see him go. Manuel ran what his boss Quinn told him to run. Which was my point... Godzilla1985 and PeytonMannings Forehead 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ergo Proxy Posted October 6, 2019 Share Posted October 6, 2019 idk man...is it Freeman or his line? Players and/or coaches. There are many scenarios of blame. Is it both? Is it players? Is it coaches? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falcons007 Posted October 6, 2019 Share Posted October 6, 2019 I want the biggest apologies for the ST coach Keith Armstrong. The defense under MM was no different and Sark wouldnt have made much difference this year. But boy, ST has fallen off the cliff. ⚡Slumerican⚡ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ergo Proxy Posted October 6, 2019 Share Posted October 6, 2019 Just now, Vandy said: Manuel ran what his boss Quinn told him to run. Which was my point... Manuel still called his own plays and we rushed 3 often. Idk...we seem to be blitzing more this year. Oliver is just actually worse than Alford this year...guys are missing basic assignments. Rico says guys aren't doing their job... cblack and Lord Sarcomere 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesus Posted October 6, 2019 Share Posted October 6, 2019 Falcons had the best red zone offense of Matt's tenure last season but still only won 7 games. VTCrunkler 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Sarcomere Posted October 6, 2019 Share Posted October 6, 2019 5 minutes ago, Vandy said: Manuel ran what his boss Quinn told him to run. Which was my point... I don't care for his former boss either... Manuel ran Quinn's defense, but called his own plays Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vandy Posted October 6, 2019 Author Share Posted October 6, 2019 8 minutes ago, Ergo Proxy said: Manuel still called his own plays and we rushed 3 often. Idk...we seem to be blitzing more this year. Oliver is just actually worse than Alford this year...guys are missing basic assignments. Rico says guys aren't doing their job... Strongly disagree. And how’s that (blitzing more) working for us? Also, Rico wouldn’t even have a job if not for MM. Quinn got the credit, it was Manuel who turned him into a safety. And Oliver would be a lot further along if MM were still here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesus Posted October 6, 2019 Share Posted October 6, 2019 Just now, Vandy said: Strongly disagree. Also, Rico wouldn’t even have a job if not for MM. Quinn got the credit, it was Manuel who turned him into a safety. Oliver would be a lot further along if MM were still here. The whole defense would be further along if not for whatever Quinn decided to do this summer. Vandy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPITFIRE Posted October 6, 2019 Share Posted October 6, 2019 I saw a lot of missed assignments today. The truth is we are a bad team right now. We have good players but a bad team. Godzilla1985 and shockerfalcon 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vandy Posted October 6, 2019 Author Share Posted October 6, 2019 5 minutes ago, Lord Sarcomere said: I don't care for his former boss either... Manuel ran Quinn's defense, but called his own plays Manuel was a good coach, albeit his inexperience showed he was a little over his head as a DC when all the injuries occurred. But Quinn is who forced duke Riley down his throat.... vitaman, Jerz and Godzilla1985 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
⚡Slumerican⚡ Posted October 6, 2019 Share Posted October 6, 2019 Sark was part of the problem.. Manuel was a clear scapegoat for Quinns stupidity. If anything Manuel made our defense better in spite of Quinn vitaman, Beast-N-Da-Sheetz and Godzilla1985 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATL_666 Posted October 6, 2019 Share Posted October 6, 2019 Just because Manuel and Sark are better coordinators than Quinn and Koetter, doesn't mean they are great coordinators. All 4 suck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ergo Proxy Posted October 6, 2019 Share Posted October 6, 2019 6 minutes ago, Vandy said: Strongly disagree. Also, Rico wouldn’t even have a job if not for MM. Quinn got the credit, it was Manuel who turned him into a safety. Oliver would be a lot further along if MM were still here. Maybe on the DB side. Didn't say MM wasn't a scapegoat, but the D did have trouble and DQ took over for a reason. DBs isn't what I argued. I said MM sat back and didn't attack with his playcalling. You said DQ called the plays last year but should've said it was DQ's system. Goalpost on the DBs isn't what I posted about. Just sayin'... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ergo Proxy Posted October 6, 2019 Share Posted October 6, 2019 6 minutes ago, Vandy said: Manuel was a good coach, albeit his inexperience showed he was a little over his head as a DC when all the injuries occurred. But Quinn is who forced duke Riley down his throat.... Eh, not really. Riley was a bad pick but Vic Beasley played LB in 2017 because of the Duke miss. And, Riley never sees the field LAST year if not for the Debo injury. C'mon. Injuries caused Duke to see the field not DQ. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ergo Proxy Posted October 6, 2019 Share Posted October 6, 2019 9 minutes ago, Jesus said: The whole defense would be further along if not for whatever Quinn decided to do this summer. We're still playing a basic defense. We came out in Nickel today. They ran on us playing 3 Wide, too. That's still 2018 repeat not a scheme issue per say. Maybe DQ will indeed take the fall in the end so what's the point if DQ or Marquand couldn't get the performance the last 2 years? Marquand had more excuses with injuries than Dan? Okay so why isn't Marquand coaching anywhere? He was a DQ made coordinator either way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vandy Posted October 6, 2019 Author Share Posted October 6, 2019 6 minutes ago, Ergo Proxy said: Maybe on the DB side. Didn't say MM wasn't a scapegoat, but the D did have trouble and DQ took over for a reason. DBs isn't what I argued. I said MM sat back and didn't attack with his playcalling. You said DQ called the plays last year but should've said it was DQ's system. Goalpost on the DBs isn't what I posted about. Just sayin'... My point always was Any D would have had those problems losing the players we lost. Manuel played the hand he was dealt, which was running Dan quinn’s Passive defense with inadequate backups. We had a huge depth problem defensively last year. quinn doesn’t have that excuse. He lost Neal, who was playing like crap even before his injury, and that’s it. Everyone else is there, he’s just not getting it done. vitaman 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papachaz Posted October 6, 2019 Share Posted October 6, 2019 20 minutes ago, Vandy said: Wasn’t directed at you bro.....you and I kissed and made up long ago.... get a room already! Vandy and thamill 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiwifalcon Posted October 6, 2019 Share Posted October 6, 2019 22 minutes ago, Lord Sarcomere said: They were scapegoated for sure. Sark did mostly well in year 2. Still had his moments, but overall he was good. Manuel on the other hand? He was never the answer. I was glad to see him go. Red zone killed him and lack of a running game,much like these idiots still asking Free & Ito to run between the tackles and leave there pound it out RBs on the bench.Madness Mind you he’s more creative than what we got now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesus Posted October 6, 2019 Share Posted October 6, 2019 2 minutes ago, Ergo Proxy said: We're still playing a basic defense. We came out in Nickel today. They ran on us playing 3 Wide, too. That's still 2018 repeat not a scheme issue per say. Maybe DQ will indeed take the fall in the end so what's the point if DQ or Marquand couldn't get the performance the last 2 years? Marquand had more excuses with injuries than Dan? Okay so why isn't Marquand coaching anywhere? He was a DQ made coordinator either way. Why aren't these players getting it? What's missing? They're all professionals. They should be better than this. Quinn m ay very well leave here and be successful elsewhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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