For those of you who claimed ....

[Vandy 32,236]

Sark and Manuel were the problem, your apologies are accepted. 

[dodge_birds_fan 777]

I already done mine in a topic lol

[Godzilla1985 5,311]

3 minutes ago, Vandy said:

Sark and Manuel were the problem, your apologies are accepted. 

I’ll go ahead and say it. I was a total ******* for arguing with you in the Smitty vs Quinn thread a couple of months back.  I was a dumb **** for sure.

 

[kiwifalcon 14,844]

I’d hire Manuel back as my DB coach in a heart beat.

I’d try and coax Jim Schwartz or Kris Richard away from there respective teams.

Sark no but I’d be scouring the league for a competent OC though.

As far as I’m concerned DK MM & GK can  all be put in the archives because that’s where there play calling belongs.

DQ sorry my man you got us there but when your mantra is putting players in positions to succeed and preach finishing sorry bruh your history.

[Lord Sarcomere 2,033]

They were scapegoated for sure. Sark did mostly well in year 2. Still had his moments, but overall he was good.

Manuel on the other hand? He was never the answer. I was glad to see him go.

[Vandy 32,236]

1 minute ago, Godzilla1985 said:

I’ll go ahead and say it. I was a total ******* for arguing with you in the Smitty vs Quinn thread a couple of months back.  I was a dumb **** for sure.

 

Wasn’t directed at you bro.....you and I kissed and made up long ago....

[Vandy 32,236]

1 minute ago, Lord Sarcomere said:

They were scapegoated for sure. Sark did mostly well in year 2. Still had his moments, but overall he was good.

Manuel on the other hand? He was never the answer. I was glad to see him go.

Manuel ran what his boss Quinn told him to run.

Which was my point...

[Schwarzwald 16,955]

idk man...is it Freeman or his line?

Players and/or coaches. There are many scenarios of blame. Is it both? Is it players? Is it coaches?

[falcons007 18,240]

I want the biggest apologies for the ST coach Keith Armstrong. The defense under MM was no different and Sark wouldnt have made much difference this year. But boy, ST has fallen off the cliff. 

[Schwarzwald 16,955]

Just now, Vandy said:

Manuel ran what his boss Quinn told him to run.

Which was my point...

Manuel still called his own plays and we rushed 3 often. Idk...we seem to be blitzing more this year.

Oliver is just actually worse than Alford this year...guys are missing basic assignments.

Rico says guys aren't doing their job...

[Jesus 19,293]

Falcons had the best red zone offense of Matt's tenure last season but still only won 7 games.

[Lord Sarcomere 2,033]

5 minutes ago, Vandy said:

Manuel ran what his boss Quinn told him to run.

Which was my point...

I don't care for his former boss either...

Manuel ran Quinn's defense, but called his own plays

[Vandy 32,236]

8 minutes ago, Ergo Proxy said:

Manuel still called his own plays and we rushed 3 often. Idk...we seem to be blitzing more this year.

Oliver is just actually worse than Alford this year...guys are missing basic assignments.

Rico says guys aren't doing their job...

Strongly disagree. And how’s that (blitzing more) working for us?

Also, Rico wouldn’t even have a job if not for MM. Quinn got the credit, it was Manuel who turned him into a safety. 

And Oliver would be a lot further along if MM were still here. 

[Jesus 19,293]

Just now, Vandy said:

Strongly disagree.

Also, Rico wouldn’t even have a job if not for MM. Quinn got the credit, it was Manuel who turned him into a safety. 

Oliver would be a lot further along if MM were still here. 

The whole defense would be further along if not for whatever Quinn decided to do this summer.

[SPITFIRE 922]

I saw a lot of missed assignments today. The truth is we are a bad team right now. We have good players but a bad team. 

[Vandy 32,236]

5 minutes ago, Lord Sarcomere said:

I don't care for his former boss either...

Manuel ran Quinn's defense, but called his own plays

Manuel was a good coach, albeit his inexperience showed he was a little over his head as a DC when all the injuries occurred. 

But Quinn is who forced duke Riley down his throat....

[⚡Slumerican⚡ 5,083]

Sark was part of the problem.. Manuel was a clear scapegoat for Quinns stupidity. If anything Manuel made our defense better in spite of Quinn

[ATL_666 452]

Just because Manuel and Sark are better coordinators than Quinn and Koetter, doesn't mean they are great coordinators.  All 4 suck.

[Schwarzwald 16,955]

6 minutes ago, Vandy said:

Strongly disagree.

Also, Rico wouldn’t even have a job if not for MM. Quinn got the credit, it was Manuel who turned him into a safety. 

Oliver would be a lot further along if MM were still here. 

Maybe on the DB side.

Didn't say MM wasn't a scapegoat, but the D did have trouble and DQ took over for a reason.

DBs isn't what I argued. I said MM sat back and didn't attack with his playcalling.

You said DQ called the plays last year but should've said it was DQ's system.

Goalpost on the DBs isn't what I posted about. Just sayin'...

[Schwarzwald 16,955]

6 minutes ago, Vandy said:

Manuel was a good coach, albeit his inexperience showed he was a little over his head as a DC when all the injuries occurred. 

But Quinn is who forced duke Riley down his throat....

Eh, not really. Riley was a bad pick but Vic Beasley played LB in 2017 because of the Duke miss.

And, Riley never sees the field LAST year if not for the Debo injury.

C'mon. Injuries caused Duke to see the field not DQ.

[Schwarzwald 16,955]

9 minutes ago, Jesus said:

The whole defense would be further along if not for whatever Quinn decided to do this summer.

We're still playing a basic defense.

We came out in Nickel today. They ran on us playing 3 Wide, too.

That's still 2018 repeat not a scheme issue per say.

Maybe DQ will indeed take the fall in the end so what's the point if DQ or Marquand couldn't get the performance the last 2 years? Marquand had more excuses with injuries than Dan? Okay so why isn't Marquand coaching anywhere? He was a DQ made coordinator either way.

[Vandy 32,236]

6 minutes ago, Ergo Proxy said:

Maybe on the DB side.

Didn't say MM wasn't a scapegoat, but the D did have trouble and DQ took over for a reason.

DBs isn't what I argued. I said MM sat back and didn't attack with his playcalling.

You said DQ called the plays last year but should've said it was DQ's system.

Goalpost on the DBs isn't what I posted about. Just sayin'...

My point always was Any D would have had those problems losing the players we lost.  Manuel played the hand he was dealt, which was running Dan quinn’s Passive defense with inadequate backups. We had a huge depth problem defensively last year.

quinn doesn’t have that excuse. He lost Neal, who was playing like crap even before his injury, and that’s it. Everyone else is there, he’s just not getting it done.

[papachaz 15,268]

20 minutes ago, Vandy said:

Wasn’t directed at you bro.....you and I kissed and made up long ago....

get a room already!

 

[kiwifalcon 14,844]

22 minutes ago, Lord Sarcomere said:

They were scapegoated for sure. Sark did mostly well in year 2. Still had his moments, but overall he was good.

Manuel on the other hand? He was never the answer. I was glad to see him go.

Red zone killed him and lack of a running game,much like these idiots still asking Free & Ito to run between the tackles and leave there pound it out RBs on the bench.Madness

Mind you he’s more creative than what we got now.

[Jesus 19,293]

2 minutes ago, Ergo Proxy said:

We're still playing a basic defense.

We came out in Nickel today. They ran on us playing 3 Wide, too.

That's still 2018 repeat not a scheme issue per say.

Maybe DQ will indeed take the fall in the end so what's the point if DQ or Marquand couldn't get the performance the last 2 years? Marquand had more excuses with injuries than Dan? Okay so why isn't Marquand coaching anywhere? He was a DQ made coordinator either way.

Why aren't these players getting it? What's missing? They're all professionals. They should be better than this. Quinn m ay very well leave here and be successful elsewhere.