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3 hours ago, The Closer said:

Besides the bust Vic Beasley, and injury prone Keanu Neal & Takk McKinley... What other 1st rd. picks do we have on defense? Everyone else are mid-round picks Scott Pioli nailed...

You can’t prepare for injury prone unless the guy has loads of college injuries. That’s just ridiculous. Neal was a fantastic pick and Takk will show he was too. 

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53 minutes ago, NeonDeion said:

You can’t prepare for injury prone unless the guy has loads of college injuries. That’s just ridiculous. Neal was a fantastic pick and Takk will show he was too. 

I knew Keanu wouldnt last, because he likes to "headhunt" instead of tackle..See WilyMo..

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7 hours ago, JDaveG said:

This is such a myth.  We have first round draft picks all over our defense.  We've spent free agency money on defense, multiple times.  At some point these dudes have to play.  The coaching staff has to get them to play.  Veterans on the team have to get them to play.

The two o-linemen we just drafted that everyone is crying about?  Those are the first high round o-linemen this team has drafted since Quinn arrived.  Other than Calvin, it's been all defense in the first round, and mostly in the 2nd.  Jake Matthews was the last first rounder we got on the o-line before that.  I honestly don't remember the one before him it's been so long.

Sam Baker 2008

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7 hours ago, The Closer said:

Thomas Dimitroff is an overrated talent evaluator. He should only get credit for Matt Ryan & Julio Jones. Scott Pioli deserves credit for most of this roster from the last 4 years...

You donkey how bout everyone else in the room battler lol.Its a collaboration when drafting  not just one guy going that’s who we are taking.

How clueless are you.

ps he only should get credit for the best WRer in the league for the last 5 years and a Qb rated in the top 10 every year he’s been in the league ok it’s a wrap your an idiot.

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6 hours ago, MAD597 said:

Yep, 11 years and we have yet to have a decent OL and DL. TD is a terrible talent evaluator for the trenches.

Talent wise, the o-line isn't bad... The o-line just doesn't have the same toughness it had with Kyle Shanahan. I think its more of a technique issue than a personnel issue. Someone please tell me why Chris Morgan is still the o-line coach??

And about the defensive line... the d-line lacks true talent & size. We don't have any consistent play-makers, & our d-line isn't strong enough to compete with big, mean o-lines. We get dominated at the line of scrimmage too often...

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12 minutes ago, kiwifalcon said:

You donkey how bout everyone else in the room battler lol.Its a collaboration when drafting  not just one guy going that’s who we are taking.

How clueless are you.

ps he only should get credit for the best WRer in the league for the last 5 years and a Qb rated in the top 10 every year he’s been in the league ok it’s a wrap your an idiot.

Before Pioli, 90% of TD's draft picks were busts dude. (Sam Baker, Curtis Lofton, Peria Jerry, Chris Owens, Lawrence Sidbury, Sean Weatherspoon, Corey Peters, Akeem Dent, Peter Konz, Lamar Holmes, etc...) Not mentioning free agent signings like Dunta Robinson & Ray Edwards...

When Pioli came, a lot of things turned around... (Jake Matthews, Devonta Freeman, Ricardo Allen, Grady Jarrett, Alex Mack, Mo Sanu, Deion Jones, Tevin Coleman, Neal, Hooper, Campbell, Kazee, Calvin Ridley, Ito Smith)... None of those names would be here without Scott Pioli helping TD in the scouting dept...

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7 minutes ago, The Closer said:

Before Pioli, 90% of TD's draft picks were busts dude. (Sam Baker, Curtis Lofton, Peria Jerry, Chris Owens, Lawrence Sidbury, Sean Weatherspoon, Corey Peters, Akeem Dent, Peter Konz, Lamar Holmes, etc...) Not mentioning free agent signings like Dunta Robinson & Ray Edwards...

When Pioli came, a lot of things turned around... (Jake Matthews, Devonta Freeman, Ricardo Allen, Grady Jarrett, Alex Mack, Mo Sanu, Deion Jones, Tevin Coleman, Neal, Hooper, Campbell, Kazee, Calvin Ridley, Ito Smith)... None of those names would be here without Scott Pioli helping TD in the scouting dept...

Doesn’t matter the who or the what there’s a collaborative effort behind the scenes.

The talent changed because the coaches changed.

MS and DQ want different things so that explains the difference in playing talent the idea that Pioli was solely responsible is thee stupidest assumption you could make.

Think about this for a minute when TD first came in 2008 the Falcons were a train wreck and he turned the thing round with multiple winning seasons and playoff appearances.

Of course he was not solely responsible for this he was part of a team which included Snead whose now GM at the Rams and Caldwell whose a GM at Jacksonville along with many others.

The idea that one man is responsible for success of failure in the drafting process is stupid because alot of the time he’s working off of others information.Its a team effort on and off the field as it is on the whole idea that one man is responsible is a misnomer

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22 minutes ago, kiwifalcon said:

Doesn’t matter the who or the what there’s a collaborative effort behind the scenes.

The talent changed because the coaches changed.

MS and DQ want different things so that explains the difference in playing talent the idea that Pioli was solely responsible is thee stupidest assumption you could make.

Think about this for a minute when TD first came in 2008 the Falcons were a train wreck and he turned the thing round with multiple winning seasons and playoff appearances.

Of course he was not solely responsible for this he was part of a team which included Snead whose now GM at the Rams and Caldwell whose a GM at Jacksonville along with many others.

The idea that one man is responsible for success of failure in the drafting process is stupid because alot of the time he’s working off of others information.Its a team effort on and off the field as it is on the whole idea that one man is responsible is a misnomer

So were just gonna sit here & pretend like things didn't improve under Pioli?? What do you have against the guy? That was the main reason TD hired him. Because TD's talent evaluating skills were below average... and he was looking for someone to help bail him out...

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7 minutes ago, The Closer said:

So were just gonna sit here & pretend like things didn't improve under Pioli?? What do y'all have against the guy? That was the sole purpose TD hired him. Because TD's talent evaluating skills were below average...

Read comprehend.

Understand what collaborative means.

Pioli helped the process like everyone else did whose been added within that time.

Pioli isn’t solely responsible for the teams ability to pick talent over that time.

**** you haven’t even recognised the input the HC also has in the players he wants and we got over the given time.

 

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9 hours ago, The Rock said:

TD has a history of taking reaching for bad players ... I.e. Duke Riley, Desmond Southward, Akeem Dent, Lamar Holmes, Mike Johnson. 

I don't know, Mike Johnson wasn't bad bad to me, just injuries but yea probably need to consider trading up in the 3rd round.

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19 minutes ago, kiwifalcon said:

Read comprehend.

Understand what collaborative means.

Pioli helped the process like everyone else did whose been added within that time.

Pioli isn’t solely responsible for the teams ability to pick talent over that time.

**** you haven’t even recognised the input the HC also has in the players he wants and we got over the given time.

 

That may be true... but its a well known fact Pioli knows a Pro Bowl-caliber player when he sees one. The guy has drafted Pro Bowl talent with every team he's been with. He is one of the best talent evaluators in football. If you don't believe me, just ask most people with common sense... They'll tell you the same thing...

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9 hours ago, The Rock said:

Lindstrom and McGary both reaches by all draft Guru's. 

It's week 5, the rooks played 4 games. Don't even put that juju in the air. Plus its too early. The "gurus" are the GMs and NFL scouts actually working the job, thats like you having your job and me sitting on my couch being a guru about what you are doing on your job but I'm sitting on my couch and you are actually doing the job. Those "gurus" either say things to get your attention like click bait or they are passing word from what they HEARD from people actually doing the work the real gurus. Either way, you wouldn't know which direction there going with it.

 

 Just off the top of my head, how many sacks did Michael Straham have his rookie year, how well did Orlando Brown do his rookie year. Give it some time, mid season next year.

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3 hours ago, The Closer said:

That may be true... but its a well known fact Pioli knows a Pro Bowl-caliber player when he sees one. The guy has drafted Pro Bowl talent with every team he's been with. He is one of the best talent evaluators in football. If you don't believe me, just ask most people with common sense... They'll tell you the same thing...

Is this the same Pioli who got ran out of K.C. For........bad drafting?

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13 hours ago, MAD597 said:

Yep, 11 years and we have yet to have a decent OL and DL. TD is a terrible talent evaluator for the trenches.

Grady Jarrett and Jake Matthews disagree with this statement

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1 minute ago, thamill said:

Grady Jarrett and Jake Matthews disagree with this statement

2 players out of how many draft picks and FA signings over the last 11 years? Come on TD lacks any form of consistency in acquiring talent on the DL and OL. TD always skews with smaller guys in the tenches and that rarely works out. If we threw darts at a draft board of OL players and DL players we'd probably have a better hit rate of Talent then TD has had hand picking players in those positions.

Our DL and OL as a whole year in and year out is always a weakness for the team even if he hits on a player every now and then.

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2 minutes ago, MAD597 said:

2 players out of how many draft picks and FA signings over the last 11 years? Come on TD lacks any form of consistency in acquiring talent on the DL and OL. TD always skews with smaller guys in the tenches and that rarely works out. If we threw darts at a draft board of OL players and DL players we'd probably have a better hit rate of Talent then TD has had hand picking players in those positions.

Our DL and OL as a whole year in and year out is always a weakness for the team even if he hits on a player every now and then.

Yet somehow that awful OL he put together in 2016, boasted the 6th best offense of all time and a SB appearance.    

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