Honest Question: How Much Better is Belichick Than Everyone Else?

[DonOfThemBirds 19,037]

20 minutes ago, NeonDeion said:

What’s the point of having referees then?

Stickum is banned. None of those other things are banned. They are penalties and/or suspensions WITHIN the rules of the game. 

Otherwise just play the games without referees 

 

Headbutting is banned in boxing. Intentional headbutting will result in a disqualification and probably a suspension of a boxer's licenses.

 

The main reasons why the other 2 can result in penalties or suspensions are because those are acts of cheating. An offensive lineman holding a pass rusher is cheating, which is the reason why it gets penalized.

 

Refs are meant to officiate their respective sports and penalize acts of cheating and make sure both players or teams play within the rules of the sport. They may do a few other things as well depending on which sport.

[grandcanyonaz 214]

The amazing thing about him is even when they lose key players they find a way to replace and still win. He takes people off the scrap heap and turns them around (like Randy Moss).

Bill Parcels is another good one. He wins no matter where he goes.

[DonOfThemBirds 19,037]

7 minutes ago, grandcanyonaz said:

The amazing thing about him is even when they lose key players they find a way to replace and still win. He takes people off the scrap heap and turns them around (like Randy Moss).

Bill Parcels is another good one. He wins no matter where he goes.

 

True, but Bill didn't turn around Moss though.

 

Moss' biggest problem before going to the Pats was that he was on a awful Raiders team that was ran by an Al Davis that really lost his way by that time. It caused Randy to become disinterested and quit on that franchise 

 

Moss went back to being great and business as usual once he was able to contend for a SB with Bill, Brady, and the Pats.

[falcons007 24,273]

12 minutes ago, grandcanyonaz said:

The amazing thing about him is even when they lose key players they find a way to replace and still win. He takes people off the scrap heap and turns them around (like Randy Moss).

Bill Parcels is another good one. He wins no matter where he goes.

Parcels lost it, I am glad he went to Miami in 2008 after agreeing terms with Falcons.

[DonOfThemBirds 19,037]

1 minute ago, falcons007 said:

Parcels lost it, I am glad he went to Miami in 2008 after agreeing terms with Falcons.

 

Yeah, the Big Tuna started becoming old, grumpy, and stale in Dallas.

 

He was awful for that Dolphins front office.

[NWFALCON 4,331]

It’d be great if DQ could matures into 2/3 the coach he is. BB wasn’t a great success at the start. 5 of his first 6 seasons were losing seasons. Sure mostly of It was in Cleveland but he started somewhere. 

Edited September 28, 2019 by NWFALCON

[NeonDeion 5,922]

33 minutes ago, DawnOfThemBirds said:

 

Headbutting is banned in boxing. Intentional headbutting will result in a disqualification and probably a suspension of a boxer's licenses.

 

The main reasons why the other 2 can result in penalties or suspensions are because those are acts of cheating. An offensive lineman holding a pass rusher is cheating, which is the reason why it gets penalized.

 

Refs are meant to officiate their respective sports and penalize acts of cheating and make sure both players or teams play within the rules of the sport. They may do a few other things as well depending on which sport.

Again. You don’t understand what cheating is. Under your definition holding and pass interference and face mask is cheating 

[kiwifalcon 19,716]

BB teams don’t beat themselves you have to beat his teams.

His players do there jobs he sets a plan up week in week out season in season out and the snowball effect turns into an avalanche.

He also indentifies key coaches and off field pieces and keeps them for as long as he can.I’m also positively sure alot of coaches are developed in-house.

He probably does what Bill Walsh used to do coaching wise I got the vision you the coaches teach it and this follows on down the chain.

[DonOfThemBirds 19,037]

36 minutes ago, NeonDeion said:

Again. You don’t understand what cheating is. Under your definition holding and pass interference and face mask is cheating 

 

Those are cheating. That is why they are penalties if caught by the refs man.

 

By holding as an o-lineman, I'm cheating to stop you from getting to my QB or RB because I'm struggling to block you within the rules.

 

By causing pass interference, I'm cheating because I grabbed you before the ball got to you so you didn't even have a chance to catch it. I'm cheating because I'm struggling trying to cover you or preventing a huge catch within the rules.

 

If those weren't cheating like you said, then why would the refs penalize you for it and why there are rules made against them?

 

Those are cheating tactics that can impact the outcome of a play, drive, or even a game.

[DonOfThemBirds 19,037]

29 minutes ago, NeonDeion said:

Again. You don’t understand what cheating is. Under your definition holding and pass interference and face mask is cheating 

 

What is your definition of cheating then?

 

I surely want to hear(or read) it.

[NeonDeion 5,922]

12 minutes ago, DawnOfThemBirds said:

 

Those are cheating. That is why they are penalties if caught by the refs man.

 

By hold as an o-lineman, I'm cheating to stop you from getting to my QB or RB because I'm struggling to block you within the rules.

 

By causing pass interference, I'm cheating because I grabbed you before the ball got to you so you didn't even have a chance to catch it. I'm cheating because I'm struggling trying to cover you or preventing a huge catch within the rules.

 

If those weren't cheating like you said, then why would the refs penalize you for it and why there are rules made against them?

 

Those are cheating tactics that can impact the outcome of a play, drive, or even a game.

LOL. I give up if you call penalties cheating. That’s beyond stupid 

[DonOfThemBirds 19,037]

4 minutes ago, NeonDeion said:

LOL. I give up if you call penalties cheating. That’s beyond stupid 

 

They are penalties because they are forms of cheating man.

 

It's a penalty because you are getting caught cheating. It's against the rules of competition.

 

Like I mentioned in my last post, what is your definition of cheating?

[NWFALCON 4,331]

https://www.si.com/nfl/2019/02/15/bill-belichick-firing-cleveland-browns-baltimore-ravens-art-modell-bernie-kosar

some of the reactions are similar to when Gruden cleaned house last year. I doubt the results would be the same. I don’t think fickle falcon fans would be keen to that either. 

[ATLSlobberKnockers 8,526]

5 hours ago, FalconFanSince1970 said:

What impresses me most about him is how he morphs his system from game to game.

Uncanny in game adjustments too. See 28-3. As beater.

This exactly

[Falcons Fan MVP 3,933]

4 hours ago, NeonDeion said:

Significantly better. But he also cheats. And has gotten ridiculous playoff luck - tuck rule, Seahawks stupidity, Falcons stupidity. 

He should have 2 less rings (I’m giving him one ring back for the Tyree catch)

The Falcons/Patriots game LOOKED so rigged. 

[Falcons Fan MVP 3,933]

2 hours ago, kiwifalcon said:

BB teams don’t beat themselves you have to beat his teams.

His players do there jobs he sets a plan up week in week out season in season out and the snowball effect turns into an avalanche.

He also indentifies key coaches and off field pieces and keeps them for as long as he can.I’m also positively sure alot of coaches are developed in-house.

He probably does what Bill Walsh used to do coaching wise I got the vision you the coaches teach it and this follows on down the chain.

The referees would give Julio star treatment if he was a Patriot. There is no way the refs would flag the Patriots like they do us.

[Falcons Fan MVP 3,933]

2 hours ago, NWFALCON said:

It’d be great if DQ could matures into 2/3 the coach he is. BB wasn’t a great success at the start. 5 of his first 6 seasons were losing seasons. Sure mostly of It was in Cleveland but he started somewhere. 

He did outsmart him for 2/3 of the super bowl as the pats had 3 points. DQ also held Peyton Manning to 8 points in the SB. I don't know what happened to Quinn lately.

[falcons007 24,273]

10 hours ago, DawnOfThemBirds said:

 

Yeah, the Big Tuna started becoming old, grumpy, and stale in Dallas.

 

He was awful for that Dolphins front office.

Yep, Ryan wouldn't have been here if Parcells didn't back off. 

[FalconsIn2012 35,705]

11 hours ago, falcons007 said:

His dad was a big inspiration and mentor for him. His dad’s book on football scouting is a great read, though dated. You can see how BB took his dad’s concepts and mastered with his own techniques. The book talks about how to scout, prepare in all phases of the game. What you can and can’t over come. And how good teams remain good for long time. 

And Steve Belichick recommends doing everything possible to get advantage over your opponent. I guess in the 60s and 70s there were probably less rules.

My favorite Steve Belichick quote from his scouting masterpiece:

“Get as much usable information as can be utilized to either (1) help formulate game plans, or (2) better prepare various individual players to either combat the strength, or take advantage of the weaknesses of an individual or opposing team. It appears that if any information obtained does not fall into one of those two categories, then it is useless.”

— Steve Belichick, “Football Scouting Methods”

[athell 32,525]

They are the best for a reason, but they have played Pitt (who looked worse with Ben than Mason somehow), Miami and a Mono-stricken Darnold-less Jets team.

Their schedule is honestly laughable and don't really play a legit team until November unless you count Buffalo which...not sold.

Buf

Was

Giants

Jets

Browns (let's see if the Browns can correct)

Baltimore

Philly

Dal

Hou

KC

Cin

Buf

MIa

We will see how legit they are in November, but smart money will always bet on BB so...

[FalconsIn2012 35,705]

11 hours ago, Knight of God said:

Brady owes his career to BB

 

fight me

One could also say Bill Belichick, the one we know today, owes much of his HC legacy to Tom Brady.

With Drew Bledsoe, a B+ QB, the Patriots won just 5 games in their first 19 weeks under Belichick.  0-2 in Year 2, they only scored over 24 points twice in two years.  
 

Week 3, Tom Brady enters the stage.  En route to finishing 14-3 and defeating the Greatest Show in Turf, Brady leads the offense over 24 points 7 times.

19 Games With Bledsoe in 2000/2001: 16 ppg

Remaining 14 Games With Brady En Route To SB: 25.5 ppg

[PokerSteve 27,878]

There are many HC's who pride themselves on their attention to detail. Dan Quinn is definitely one of them, telling the press that over the off-season he had reviewed EVERY SINGLE DEFENSIVE PLAY for the past four or five years. That's thousands of plays. I doubt any other HC or coordinator did one-tenth that amount of research on their respective offensive or defensive scheme history.

But what has that incredible amount of back-study done for the defense? As a layman, I have to confess I see very little that has changed over the first three weeks of the season. Slow starts, sloppy tackling, stupid penalties, very little pass rush and can't get off the field on third down. Sounds very familiar to me.

Belichick is a cut above Quinn and everybody else because after he's analyzed, he has the ability and the smarts to break it all down and truly understand exactly what the facts are telling him about how to proceed in to the next season or next game. It's his ability to translate all the variables and then apply what he learns into concrete, actionable steps to keep his defense playing at a high level. In other words, with Belichick, it IS rocket science...and he's the only rocket scientist HC in the NFL. 

[FalconsIn2012 35,705]

37 minutes ago, athell said:

They are the best for a reason, but they have played Pitt (who looked worse with Ben than Mason somehow), Miami and a Mono-stricken Darnold-less Jets team.

Their schedule is honestly laughable and don't really play a legit team until November unless you count Buffalo which...not sold.

Buf

Was

Giants

Jets

Browns (let's see if the Browns can correct)

Baltimore

Philly

Dal

Hou

KC

Cin

Buf

MIa

We will see how legit they are in November, but smart money will always bet on BB so...

Bills are 3-0.  We will see how legit tomorrow.

But a string of games playing the Browns, Ravens, Eagles, Cowboys, Texans & Chiefs is a tough 6 game stretch

[rowdy_84 94]

He grew up around football. He has eaten and breathed football his entire life. It’s always been his passion. You can tell that it’s all he ever thinks about. 

[FalconsIn2012 35,705]

11 minutes ago, PokerSteve said:

There are many HC's who pride themselves on their attention to detail. Dan Quinn is definitely one of them, telling the press that over the off-season he had reviewed EVERY SINGLE DEFENSIVE PLAY for the past four or five years. That's thousands of plays. I doubt any other HC or coordinator did one-tenth that amount of research on their respective offensive or defensive scheme history.

But what has that incredible amount of back-study done for the defense? As a layman, I have to confess I see very little that has changed over the first three weeks of the season. Slow starts, sloppy tackling, stupid penalties, very little pass rush and can't get off the field on third down. Sounds very familiar to me.

Belichick is a cut above Quinn and everybody else because after he's analyzed, he has the ability and the smarts to break it all down and truly understand exactly what the facts are telling him about how to proceed in to the next season or next game. It's his ability to translate all the variables and then apply what he learns into concrete, actionable steps to keep his defense playing at a high level. In other words, with Belichick, it IS rocket science...and he's the only rocket scientist HC in the NFL. 

Great post.  I think Belichick is the best teacher in NFL history.  He knows how to break down complex things and can teach the message simply and effectively.