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Falcons Should Trade for Jalen Ramsey

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5 minutes ago, slickgadawg said:

And the Falcons are saying that THEY are not professional or good enough to duplicate what Belichick has done. That THEY cannot cultivate a environment where players put their egos and drama aside for the team...

That’s false because they have a plethora of players with huge egos. They just don’t want players that could be a distraction after the Vick thing. And that’s understandable. But that’s BS that theyve never had players with huge egos. Deion, Buchannon, Chuck Smith, Rison, Asante, Abe, Freeney, Roddy. The falcons like their own players. And there’s absolutely nothing wrong with that. The pats benefit from being in a weak division anyway. If they had to see the falcons, saints, and panthers twice a year they’d miss some playoffs here and there. Don’t get it twisted. It’s more than they’re just good. They never have competition in their division.  

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8 minutes ago, TheFatboi said:

The pats benefit from being in a weak division anyway. If they had to see the falcons, saints, and panthers twice a year they’d miss some playoffs here and there. Don’t get it twisted. It’s more than they’re just good. They never have competition in their division.  

Man I said this the other day on Twitter. It's fascinating how inept those three franchises have been for two decades. I couldn't imagine the stress free life of playing the Dolphins, Jets, and Bills for the division every year. It's a cake walk. The Pats lay an egg here and there like every team, but they have the easiest road to the postseason I've ever seen for this long. Even Peyton got some comp in the AFC South occasionally from the Titans and Texans. 6 of their games are JV contests. That means they just need to win 4 out of 10 to win 10 games. 

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Let’s look at Jalen Ramsey Trufant and AJ Bouye in 2018. 

Trufant: 89 Targets, 55 rec. 604 yards, 4 TD, Yards/snap 0.96 54 th in Yards given up.

Jalen Ramsey : 97 ta. 53 rec. 749 yards ,2TD and 3 Int. Yards/snap:1.29. Ranked 71 among CB in Yards given up. He was slightly better than Alford.

AJ Bouye: 64, 41, 417 0 TD and 1 interception. Ranked 17 in least yards. Just 0.88 yards/snap. 

Jalen Ramsey was anything but **** down in 2018. Jags are not stupid to trade him. 

If TD makes this trade and Jalen Ramsey plays like 2018, many would want him fired.

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40 minutes ago, g-dawg said:

5-team deal.  Would like to see if we could get Clippers involved and get Kawhi Leonard to the Hawks as well.

I like where you are going with this.  Not just mulit-team...multi-SPORT.  Ramsey to the Hawks to play PG and Falcons to play CB.  Somewhere Drew Rosenhaus is salivating

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4 minutes ago, falcons007 said:

Let’s look at Jalen Ramsey Trufant and AJ Bouye in 2018. 

Trufant: 89 Targets, 55 rev. 604 yards, 4 TD, Yards/snap 0.96 54 th is Yards given up.

Jalen Ramsey : 97 ta. 53 rev, 749 yards ,2TD and 3 Int. Yards/snap:1.29. Ranked 71 among CB in Yards given up. He was slightly better than Alford.

AJ Bouye: 64, 41, 417 0 TD and 1 interception. Ranked 17 in least yards. Just 0.88 yards/snap. 

Jalen Ramsey was anything but **** down in 2018. Jags are not stupid to trade him. 

If TD makes this trade and Jalen Ramsey plays like 2018, many would want him fired.

AJ Bouye gave up 64 comp%
Trufant gave up 61.7 comp%
Jalen Ramsey gave up 54.6 comp%

Of course you're going to give up some receptions and yards when you're following the best WRs in the league like Jalen does. You need to understand circumstances to properly understand data. Jalen travels with the other teams best WR. Bouye takes the other guy. Yet somehow still gives up a higher completion percentage than Jalen.

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The Jaguars have fully realized Ramsey’s ability and asked him to travel with a specific receiver on 15 occasions over the past two seasons. He’s essentially shut down every wide receiver except three of the league’s very best talents at the position: Antonio Brown, Odell Beckham Jr. and DeAndre Hopkins.

Jermaine Kearse: 4 catches, 17 yards, 0 touchdowns (7 targets)

A.J. Green: 1-6-0 (2)

Larry Fitzgerald: 3-12-0 (8)

Tyreek Hill: 4-61-0 (7)

Kelvin Benjamin: 1-32-0 (2)

Alshon Jeffery: 4-35-0 (5)

T.Y. Hilton: 2-27-0 (8), 3-51-1 (6), 3-77-0 (7), 8-77-0 (13)

Antonio Brown: 5-117-1 (13)

Odell Beckham Jr.: 11-111-0 (15)

DeAndre Hopkins: 4-80-1 (13), 12-147-0 (16), 3-50-1 (8)

 

https://www.actionnetwork.com/nfl/jalen-ramsey-shadow-cornerbacks-fantasy-football-2019

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Just now, MD-FalconFan13 said:

AJ Bouye gave up 64 comp%
Trufant gave up 61.7 comp%
Jalen Ramsey gave up 54.6 comp%

Of course you're going to give up some receptions and yards when you're following the best WRs in the league like Jalen does. You need to understand circumstances to properly understand data. Jalen travels with the other teams best WR. Bouye takes the other guy. Yet somehow still gives up a higher completion percentage than Jalen.

Who cares about % completions when you getting beat up like drum allowing big plays. Bouye is their no 1 corner, now you just making up stuff. Jaylen Ramsey last year was slightly better version of Robert Alford. If you watch Jags games, the opposing QBs go after Ramsey for key 3rd down plays. 

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16 minutes ago, vel said:

Man I said this the other day on Twitter. It's fascinating how inept those three franchises have been for two decades. I couldn't imagine the stress free life of playing the Dolphins, Jets, and Bills for the division every year. It's a cake walk. The Pats lay an egg here and there like every team, but they have the easiest road to the postseason I've ever seen for this long. Even Peyton got some comp in the AFC South occasionally from the Titans and Texans. 6 of their games are JV contests. That means they just need to win 4 out of 10 to win 10 games. 

Absolutely. They’re good no doubt. We all know that. But being able to win your division every year fairly easily bodes for a better chance at the playoffs and SB. While getting better throughout the year. 

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7 minutes ago, falcons007 said:

Who cares about % completions when you getting beat up like drum allowing big plays. Bouye is their no 1 corner, now you just making up stuff. Jaylen Ramsey last year was slightly better version of Robert Alford. If you watch Jags games, the opposing QBs go after Ramsey for key 3rd down plays. 

Beat like a drum? Are you out of your mind? How is Bouye the #1 when Jalen is the guy asked to cover the #1 WR?????

Please read and educate yourself because I'm off the clock and headed to happy hour:
https://www.actionnetwork.com/nfl/jalen-ramsey-shadow-cornerbacks-fantasy-football-2019

Here's and excerpt:

The Jaguars have fully realized Ramsey’s ability and asked him to travel with a specific receiver on 15 occasions over the past two seasons. He’s essentially shut down every wide receiver except three of the league’s very best talents at the position: Antonio Brown, Odell Beckham Jr. and DeAndre Hopkins.

Jermaine Kearse: 4 catches, 17 yards, 0 touchdowns (7 targets)
A.J. Green: 1-6-0 (2)
Larry Fitzgerald: 3-12-0 (8)
Tyreek Hill: 4-61-0 (7)
Kelvin Benjamin: 1-32-0 (2)
Alshon Jeffery: 4-35-0 (5)
T.Y. Hilton: 2-27-0 (8), 3-51-1 (6), 3-77-0 (7), 8-77-0 (13)
Antonio Brown: 5-117-1 (13)
Odell Beckham Jr.: 11-111-0 (15)
DeAndre Hopkins: 4-80-1 (13), 12-147-0 (16), 3-50-1 (8)

 

Nuk, AB and Odell account for about half the yards he gave up all 2017!!!

Again, you keep looking at total yards given up (which by the way, still isn't much) and assuming that tells the story. But AJ is almost always check the lesser talented WR. Yet he gives up a much higher completion percentage. 

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That would be a very bad idea.

We already have a ton of players on big contracts, which gives us limited cap room going forward. In that situation you NEED to keep your draft picks, because - even first rounders- are very cheap in salary cap terms. Trading away your  picks when you don’t have cap room either, is suicidal.

Yes we can make it happen if we are desperate by deferring a bunch of money at the expense of future cap years, but doing that and giving up high picks for a one year rental is extremely short sighted.

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6 minutes ago, MD-FalconFan13 said:

AJ Bouye gave up 64 comp%
Trufant gave up 61.7 comp%
Jalen Ramsey gave up 54.6 comp%

Of course you're going to give up some receptions and yards when you're following the best WRs in the league like Jalen does. You need to understand circumstances to properly understand data. Jalen travels with the other teams best WR. Bouye takes the other guy. Yet somehow still gives up a higher completion percentage than Jalen.

Completion percentages can be a biproduct of the scheme. In cover 3 a CB is gonna have a higher completion percentage because the scheme gives up the underneath and protects deep. It doesn’t mean the corner is getting beat. Just what the scheme ALLOWS. The Seahawks corners had higher completion percentages compared to man to man defenses. Scheme is a HUGE part of tru allowing 60+% completion. 

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Just now, MD-FalconFan13 said:

Beat like a drum? Are you out of your mind? 

Please read and educate yourself because I'm off the clock and headed to happy hour:
https://www.actionnetwork.com/nfl/jalen-ramsey-shadow-cornerbacks-fantasy-football-2019

Here's and excerpt:

The Jaguars have fully realized Ramsey’s ability and asked him to travel with a specific receiver on 15 occasions over the past two seasons. He’s essentially shut down every wide receiver except three of the league’s very best talents at the position: Antonio Brown, Odell Beckham Jr. and DeAndre Hopkins.

Jermaine Kearse: 4 catches, 17 yards, 0 touchdowns (7 targets)
A.J. Green: 1-6-0 (2)
Larry Fitzgerald: 3-12-0 (8)
Tyreek Hill: 4-61-0 (7)
Kelvin Benjamin: 1-32-0 (2)
Alshon Jeffery: 4-35-0 (5)
T.Y. Hilton: 2-27-0 (8), 3-51-1 (6), 3-77-0 (7), 8-77-0 (13)
Antonio Brown: 5-117-1 (13)
Odell Beckham Jr.: 11-111-0 (15)
DeAndre Hopkins: 4-80-1 (13), 12-147-0 (16), 3-50-1 (8)

 

Again, you keep looking at total yards given up (which by the way, still isn't much) and assuming that tells the story. But AJ is almost always check the lesser talented WR. Yet he gives up a much higher completion percentage. 

OBj wasn’t covered by Jaylen Ramsey on all snaps. Out of 14 OBJ Targets,  Ramsey had him for 7. He didn’t give up 111 but 75 yards. I can go on for each WR you listed. Bottom line he gives up ton of yards and no he wasn’t following OBJ on every target and reception. 

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1 minute ago, TheFatboi said:

Completion percentages can be a biproduct of the scheme. In cover 3 a CB is gonna have a higher completion percentage because the scheme gives up the underneath and protects deep. It doesn’t mean the corner is getting beat. Just what the scheme ALLOWS. The Seahawks corners had higher completion percentages compared to man to man defenses. Scheme is a HUGE part of tru allowing 60+% completion. 

Right Jags play Man coverage for most of the game. It’s easy to map the coverages in man to man.

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5 minutes ago, MD-FalconFan13 said:

Beat like a drum? Are you out of your mind? How is Bouye the #1 when Jalen is the guy asked to cover the #1 WR?????

Please read and educate yourself because I'm off the clock and headed to happy hour:
https://www.actionnetwork.com/nfl/jalen-ramsey-shadow-cornerbacks-fantasy-football-2019

Here's and excerpt:

The Jaguars have fully realized Ramsey’s ability and asked him to travel with a specific receiver on 15 occasions over the past two seasons. He’s essentially shut down every wide receiver except three of the league’s very best talents at the position: Antonio Brown, Odell Beckham Jr. and DeAndre Hopkins.

Jermaine Kearse: 4 catches, 17 yards, 0 touchdowns (7 targets)
A.J. Green: 1-6-0 (2)
Larry Fitzgerald: 3-12-0 (8)
Tyreek Hill: 4-61-0 (7)
Kelvin Benjamin: 1-32-0 (2)
Alshon Jeffery: 4-35-0 (5)
T.Y. Hilton: 2-27-0 (8), 3-51-1 (6), 3-77-0 (7), 8-77-0 (13)
Antonio Brown: 5-117-1 (13)
Odell Beckham Jr.: 11-111-0 (15)
DeAndre Hopkins: 4-80-1 (13), 12-147-0 (16), 3-50-1 (8)

 

Nuk, AB and Odell account for about half the yards he gave up all 2017!!!

Again, you keep looking at total yards given up (which by the way, still isn't much) and assuming that tells the story. But AJ is almost always check the lesser talented WR. Yet he gives up a much higher completion percentage. 

What side do they play on? The #1 corner is typically the LCB like tru, revis, Deion, Asante, etc...because most qb’s are right handed. If Bouye plays LCB he’d be the #1 corner. Some teams shadow most teams don’t. The saints put their #2 corner on Julio with help over top and lattimore on Ridley. Belichick does the same thing. So shadowing the #1 wr isn’t necessarily always the #1 CB. 

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34 minutes ago, thamill said:

I like where you are going with this.  Not just mulit-team...multi-SPORT.  Ramsey to the Hawks to play PG and Falcons to play CB.  Somewhere Drew Rosenhaus is salivating

I am willing to throw in Braves reliever Luke Jackson as well - he is so ugly his momma puts him in a corner and feeds him with a  slingshot.

Image result for luke jackson braves

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15 minutes ago, TheFatboi said:

What side do they play on? The #1 corner is typically the LCB like tru, revis, Deion, Asante, etc...because most qb’s are right handed. If Bouye plays LCB he’d be the #1 corner. Some teams shadow most teams don’t. The saints put their #2 corner on Julio with help over top and lattimore on Ridley. Belichick does the same thing. So shadowing the #1 wr isn’t necessarily always the #1 CB. 

It also helps when you play teams with bad QBs or no QB. Jags had  2 against Ten, Miami, Buffalo, Redskins with out Alex smith,  NYJ andDAL with out Amari Cooper and Covering Unkown WR Thompson. Put him in NFC south and conference with good WR and QB.

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1 hour ago, Francis York Morgan said:

Don't think they'll even trade him.

Khan

views dude like Deion Sanders and is 100% ok with making him the highest paid CB in the league.

They should get rid of Coughlin before Ramsey.

 

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48 minutes ago, falcons007 said:

Let’s look at Jalen Ramsey Trufant and AJ Bouye in 2018. 

Trufant: 89 Targets, 55 rec. 604 yards, 4 TD, Yards/snap 0.96 54 th in Yards given up.

Jalen Ramsey : 97 ta. 53 rec. 749 yards ,2TD and 3 Int. Yards/snap:1.29. Ranked 71 among CB in Yards given up. He was slightly better than Alford.

AJ Bouye: 64, 41, 417 0 TD and 1 interception. Ranked 17 in least yards. Just 0.88 yards/snap. 

Jalen Ramsey was anything but **** down in 2018. Jags are not stupid to trade him. 

If TD makes this trade and Jalen Ramsey plays like 2018, many would want him fired.

Is bouye available? :lol:

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11 minutes ago, slickgadawg said:

Is bouye available? :lol:

No. But why would you trade for some one slightly better than Robert Alford. That too waste a first round pick.

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6 minutes ago, falcons007 said:

No. But why would you trade for some one slightly better than Robert Alford. That too waste a first round pick.

Anyone saying Jalen Ramsey is slightly better than Robert Alford immediately forfeits the right to be taken seriously

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1 minute ago, MD-FalconFan13 said:

Anyone saying Jalen Ramsey is slightly better than Robert Alford immediately forfeits the right to be taken seriously

Any one not buying the hype and looking at 2018 wont disagree. Is he more talented and has potential? Sure. But on field production trumps the hype and talk. 

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1 hour ago, vel said:

Man I said this the other day on Twitter. It's fascinating how inept those three franchises have been for two decades. I couldn't imagine the stress free life of playing the Dolphins, Jets, and Bills for the division every year. It's a cake walk. The Pats lay an egg here and there like every team, but they have the easiest road to the postseason I've ever seen for this long. Even Peyton got some comp in the AFC South occasionally from the Titans and Texans. 6 of their games are JV contests. That means they just need to win 4 out of 10 to win 10 games. 

Seriously, just look at last year. Last year they went 3-5 on the road and still coasted to the #2 seed in the playoffs.

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