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NCAA tells California governor college athlete 'fair pay' bill is 'unconstitutional'

The NCAA warned California Gov. Gavin Newsom on Wednesday that allowing college athletes to profit from their name, image and likeness would be "unconstitutional" and would upend the balance of college sports. In a letter, the athlete association asked him to reject the passage of a bill that would make it easier for players to make money.

The state Assembly on Monday voted 72-0 to pass the bill, which is championed by many athletes in the collegiate and professional ranks, such as Lebron James. The state Senate passed the measure Wednesday 39-0.

California is home to 58 NCAA-member schools, the NCAA said, including powerhouse programs at USC, Stanford and UCLA. Newsom has 30 days to sign or veto the legislation. If he does nothing, the bill becomes law.

 

The NCAA is the top governing body for college sports. Membership is voluntary. Athletes can get valuable scholarships, but the NCAA has long banned paying athletes to preserve the academic missions of colleges and universities.

"It would erase the critical distinction between college and professional athletics," the NCAA Board Of Governors said in a letter to the Democratic governor. "These outcomes are untenable and would negatively impact more than 24,000 California student-athletes across three divisions."

Ohio State President Michael Drake, who chairs the board of governors, told USA Today that the association would consider legal action if the bill becomes law.

The bill would allow college athletes to hire agents and be paid for their image, likeness and names.

"Let's be real. College sports is a multibillion-dollar industry," said Sen. Nancy Skinner, a Democrat who authored the bill. "Perhaps some athletes would finish their college degree before they went pro if we allowed this."

NCAA SAYS IT MAY BAN CALIFORNIA COLLEGES FROM CHAMPIONSHIP GAMES OVER ATHLETE PAY BILL

California universities and the NCAA would also be barred from prohibiting athletes from taking money. The law would take effect in 2023.

The Pac-12 conference, which includes USC, UCLA and Stanford, sided with the NCAA and asked the state legislature to delay debate on the bill.

"We all want to protect and support our student-athletes, and the Pac-12 has played a leadership role in national reforms for student-athletes over the past years,” the NCAA said. “The question is what’s the best way to continue to support our student-athletes. We think having more information and informed views will be helpful.”

The debate over paying college athletes has raged in recent years as some schools rake in millions from their athletic programs -- mostly from football and basketball. Many college basketball athletes have left school early to sign lucrative NBA contracts.

The league now requires players to be at least one year removed from high school before entering the draft.

The NCAA has a history of coming down hard on players for receiving compensation or gifts of any kind.

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Donald De La Haye, a former University of Central Florida kicker, had his football scholarship taken away by the school in 2017 because of the revenue he was generating from his YouTube channel. The NCAA determined his videos were a violation of eligibility rules, according to the Orlando Sentinel.

Former Texas A&M quarterback Johnny Manziel got into trouble with the NCAA for allegedly signing autographs for money. He was suspended for the first half of the first game of the 2013 season for violating an NCAA bylaw about athletes' use of names and images, but it was later made clear Manziel didn’t receive money for the autographs.

https://www.foxnews.com/sports/ncaa-tells-california-governor-college-athlete-fair-pay-bill-is-unconstitutional

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It will be interesting to see where this goes.

California has a history of passing laws other states wouldn't dream of doing... especially if it comes to the environment.

It would be a shame for all California schools to be banned from all conference games and championships.

I suppose they could put them in a statewide conference.

Cal Poly and UC Davis playing USC and Stanford.  That should be fair.

Can't wait to see how recruiting goes next year.

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2 minutes ago, Sun Tzu 7 said:

It will be interesting to see where this goes.

California has a history of passing laws other states wouldn't dream of doing... especially if it comes to the environment.

It would be a shame for all California schools to be banned from all conference games and championships.

I suppose they could put them in a statewide conference.

Cal Poly and UC Davis playing USC and Stanford.  That should be fair.

Can't wait to see how recruiting goes next year.

NCAA can't ban them.  Its just something to throw out there to delay the inevitable,  the college players are gonna get paid eventually.  California has already said that the NCAA would be violating the law if they tried and block their schools.  

https://www.forbes.com/sites/marcedelman/2019/06/25/ncaa-cant-legally-ban-california-schools-for-allowing-athletes-to-profit-from-their-names-images-and-likenesses/#1de6a2f2273f

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6 minutes ago, slickgadawg said:

NCAA can't ban them.  Its just something to throw out there to delay the inevitable,  the college players are gonna get paid eventually.  California has already said that the NCAA would be violating the law if they tried and block their schools.  

https://www.forbes.com/sites/marcedelman/2019/06/25/ncaa-cant-legally-ban-california-schools-for-allowing-athletes-to-profit-from-their-names-images-and-likenesses/#1de6a2f2273f

The problem with that is that it would eventually go to court and go up to the Supreme Court and who knows how that will turn out.

Serious question though. Out of all the college athletes out there how many would actually make any money?  Maybe 1%.  Probably 0.01%

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18 minutes ago, ya_boi_j said:

Screw the NCAA. Screw anyone who says the players get a free ride and they don’t need the money. The NCAA and these schools, especially the big name schools, make good money off of these players yearly. They can give a small piece of the pie

Forcing student athletes to forego compensation for anything they can market is reprehensible. The NCAA is besotted with its own power and needs to be taken down a few pegs. 

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School will just go away from posting advertisements with real players and make shadow players to promote their teams. Easy way around “player likeness” and names

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1 hour ago, ya_boi_j said:

Screw the NCAA. Screw anyone who says the players get a free ride and they don’t need the money. The NCAA and these schools, especially the big name schools, make good money off of these players yearly. They can give a small piece of the pie

it wouldn't even be a piece of the NCAA pie, Maybe they lose a small chunk off autographs but these kids would get money from sneaker shops, car dealerships and whatever other local business wants to use their image and fame. 

 

The only thing that makes sense to me from a NCAA view is less highly skilled players will go play ball in a college town in the middle of butt**** nowhere and will just be drawn to the bigger markets in the bigger cities like LA where they can make the most off their image. Recruiting is already shady so who knows.

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1 hour ago, Sun Tzu 7 said:

It will be interesting to see where this goes.

California has a history of passing laws other states wouldn't dream of doing... especially if it comes to the environment.

It would be a shame for all California schools to be banned from all conference games and championships.

I suppose they could put them in a statewide conference.

Cal Poly and UC Davis playing USC and Stanford.  That should be fair.

Can't wait to see how recruiting goes next year.

I like it. It's more than other states, it's the Feds.

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The NCAA says its about a education:

https://www.businessinsider.com/ncaa-college-athletes-march-madness-basketball-football-sports-not-paid-2019-3

In fact, CBS Sports published a study on the topic with data from the Pac-12, the league Sherman competed in while at Stanford. The study surveyed 409 Pac-12 student-athletes and found 54% of athletes say they don't have enough time to study for tests, 80% of athletes say they have missed a class for competition during the academic year, and overall, athletes spend 50 hours a week on athletics. And while student-athletes feel they have the resources at their disposal to succeed academically, they don't have the time to do so.

 

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1 hour ago, Sun Tzu 7 said:

The problem with that is that it would eventually go to court and go up to the Supreme Court and who knows how that will turn out.

Serious question though. Out of all the college athletes out there how many would actually make any money?  Maybe 1%.  Probably 0.01%

AT the top schools the athletes are worth a couple of million.  Below is a football table done in 2013:

https://www.businessinsider.com/heres-how-much-college-athletes-are-worth-2013-3

college football pay chart

basketball.  They are worth MILLIONS...

college basketball pay chart

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2 minutes ago, slickgadawg said:

The NCAA says its about a education:

https://www.businessinsider.com/ncaa-college-athletes-march-madness-basketball-football-sports-not-paid-2019-3

In fact, CBS Sports published a study on the topic with data from the Pac-12, the league Sherman competed in while at Stanford. The study surveyed 409 Pac-12 student-athletes and found 54% of athletes say they don't have enough time to study for tests, 80% of athletes say they have missed a class for competition during the academic year, and overall, athletes spend 50 hours a week on athletics. And while student-athletes feel they have the resources at their disposal to succeed academically, they don't have the time to do so.

 

like some of these guys go to college for 'their education' and they won't always have people doing their homework with or without more stuff on their plate...Antonio Brown writes texts like hes in kindergarden. His 'academics' took a back seat waaaay before college.

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7 minutes ago, slickgadawg said:

Ok I'm thinking that's the chart for football and yes those 10 Football programs make insane amounts of money but even then.  NCAA football rosters can have up to 125 players.  If you payed just 100 players the "fair market value"... yikes.  That would be $58 million for Texas. Even the article says 'Giving 50% of all revenue to players would destroy the entire structure of how college athletics is funded, so it's not realistic at this point.'

But I wasn't talking about the football players.  I was talking about every student athlete.  When you add up every school and every athlete... gymnastics, swimming,  wrestling, basket ball, base ball, soft ball, lacrosse, football, etc.  The NCAA web site says over 460,000 student athletes but that number seems low to me.

Anyway the California law is talking about image and likeness.. so marketability and endorsements basically.  So we're taking about the stars which is maybe 3 to 4 people on each team... and that's the big ones. 

I guess they unknown guys could get some of that TV money but again,  that's a small population because not every football team and not every sport is being televised.

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23 minutes ago, Atlantafan21 said:

I’m with everyone saying that the players deserve to use their own likeness. In addition to that, I just want my **** NCAA 2K football game back. Madden is complete trash compared to it. :bang:

Yeah I miss that one too.  It was awesome.

As soon as that ruling came down it was the end of all college sport video games.

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1 hour ago, Sun Tzu 7 said:

Yeah I miss that one too.  It was awesome.

As soon as that ruling came down it was the end of all college sport video games.

It was really starting to get good. NCAA Football 12 and 13 were pretty identical, then they changed things up with 14. Hopefully we’ll get it back some day soon. 

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2 hours ago, Romfal said:

it wouldn't even be a piece of the NCAA pie, Maybe they lose a small chunk off autographs but these kids would get money from sneaker shops, car dealerships and whatever other local business wants to use their image and fame. 

 

The only thing that makes sense to me from a NCAA view is less highly skilled players will go play ball in a college town in the middle of butt**** nowhere and will just be drawn to the bigger markets in the bigger cities like LA where they can make the most off their image. Recruiting is already shady so who knows.

Wouldn't it just make it so every big name recruit will head to a Californian school?

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2 hours ago, roguebeaver said:

Puking Califoricators! Can’t wait for the big one to clean that cesspool out! 

Yes, lets wish for millions of people to die! how great!

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