NWFALCON Posted August 24, 2019 Share Posted August 24, 2019 Everyone loves looking at highlights but I saw down and looked at some lowlights when It comes to our kicker. Here is an article that mentions how the hold affects a field goal accuracy. I chopped up the article and added a few more to the end of this post along with photos Wide Left: Study Shows that Holders Play Key Role NFL and college football teams are back in action, and their success often hinges on the accuracy of their field goal kickers. When the field goals are made, kickers are heroes. When they miss, they’re goats. But a study by aerospace researchers shows that kickers aren’t always at fault – the way the ball is held Using the model, the researchers found that if the ball is leaning to the left or right, it will affect the trajectory of the football. And the more it leans, the more pronounced the effect, which is the result of complex interactions between the rotational motion and aerodynamic forces acting on the football. “For example,” Mazzoleni says, “if the ball is tilted 20 degrees to the left for a 45 yard field goal attempt, it will sail up to 3.5 feet to the left before hooking back to the right.” And any football fan can tell you that 3.5 feet can be the difference between winning and losing. (Just ask the University of Nebraska.) Another snippet about kicking here. Plant Foot Force and orientation of plant foot are crucial Plant should be about a foot’s length away from the ball and directionally facing the target Incorrect placement of the plant foot will drastically affect both distance and direction of the ball. 1. The Hold Everyone knows the laces should point away from the kicker's foot, but pros like Henery demand that the ball be standing straight up too. Tilting it lowers the center of mass, making it tougher to strike the sweet spot, says biomechanics professor Jeff Hawks, who studied Henery's technique with colleague Chase Pfeifer at the University of Nebraska, Lincoln. With this information fresh in your mind, look at the two pictures I attached. The black jersey kick is the boomer he nailed against the Giants and the other is the kick was the miss from yesterday. I went thru this years preseason misses and compared them to the makes. I see an increased distance between his plant foot and the ball compared to last year. I also see Bosher holding the ball angled forward, angled left, and angled back a bit. He may be inside his own head but the inconsistency in the holds could be a factor as well. NCCooley, rudy and A Dog Named Brian 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiwifalcon Posted August 24, 2019 Share Posted August 24, 2019 I asked this early on are the long snapper and holder the same as last year. I know Bosher has been the holder for the last few years not sure if Harris is still the long snapper though? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Dog Named Brian Posted August 24, 2019 Share Posted August 24, 2019 I’m wondering if it’s mental with him too? Last year he was only filling in, now he’s ‘The Guy’. Good find falcons007 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NWFALCON Posted August 24, 2019 Author Share Posted August 24, 2019 Harris is still the long snapper according to the depth chart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesus Posted August 24, 2019 Share Posted August 24, 2019 AustFalcon and falcons007 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShmevinShmarris Posted August 24, 2019 Share Posted August 24, 2019 To be fair Bosher probably isn’t as accustomed to holding for a lefty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NWFALCON Posted August 24, 2019 Author Share Posted August 24, 2019 3 minutes ago, ShmevinShmarris said: To be fair Bosher probably isn’t as accustomed to holding for a lefty I totally agree. The Ls, holder, and kicker work in concert. If one messes up, one of the other positions will have a tougher job. NCCooley 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
octoslash Posted August 24, 2019 Share Posted August 24, 2019 Yall are overthinking this issue. Just go for it on 4th down every time. Sheesh. A Dog Named Brian, rudy, NWFALCON and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falcanuck Posted August 24, 2019 Share Posted August 24, 2019 As a former kicker, minute details of the hold only really matter at long distances. The hold in picture 2 shouldn't be that big of an issue and also people who blame the laces are just looking for an excuse. Laces are annoying at times and can reduce distance, but often aren't an issue at all. I think Vech will be fine, but yeah unless the hold is completely botched it isn't very difficult to overcome. falcons007 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NWFALCON Posted August 24, 2019 Author Share Posted August 24, 2019 (edited) 33 minutes ago, Falcanuck said: As a former kicker, minute details of the hold only really matter at long distances. The hold in picture 2 shouldn't be that big of an issue and also people who blame the laces are just looking for an excuse. Laces are annoying at times and can reduce distance, but often aren't an issue at all. I think Vech will be fine, but yeah unless the hold is completely botched it isn't very difficult to overcome. How about the plant foot? Those pictures are pretty close but some of the kicks he’s missed has him noticeably further from the ball once it’s freeze framed. There are multiple universities that did breakdowns on the physics involved and plant foot and angle of the ball on the hold are things that adversely affect the path of the ball and lower the “sweet spot” available for the kicker to strike. Edited August 24, 2019 by NWFALCON Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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The Daywalker Posted August 24, 2019 Share Posted August 24, 2019 1 hour ago, Falcanuck said: As a former kicker, minute details of the hold only really matter at long distances. The hold in picture 2 shouldn't be that big of an issue and also people who blame the laces are just looking for an excuse. Laces are annoying at times and can reduce distance, but often aren't an issue at all. I think Vech will be fine, but yeah unless the hold is completely botched it isn't very difficult to overcome. Ray finckle would like a word with you sir! NWFALCON and Ergo Proxy 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falcons Fan MVP Posted August 24, 2019 Share Posted August 24, 2019 Matt Bryant's wife said that Matt is healthy and ready to go and waiting patiently for some team to call him. Hurry_Up_And_Buy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falcanuck Posted August 24, 2019 Share Posted August 24, 2019 3 hours ago, NWFALCON said: How about the plant foot? Those pictures are pretty close but some of the kicks he’s missed has him noticeably further from the ball once it’s freeze framed. There are multiple universities that did breakdowns on the physics involved and plant foot and angle of the ball on the hold are things that adversely affect the path of the ball and lower the “sweet spot” available for the kicker to strike. The plant foot is easily the most important aspect. In terms of power and accuracy. And yeah, definitely to hit longer kicks you're going to need a good hold. But nothing short of 40-45 yards should be an issue for these guys. NWFALCON 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BleedBlack&Red Posted August 24, 2019 Share Posted August 24, 2019 So Bosher is sabotaging Tavecchio to get Bryant back? I'll take it. Hurry_Up_And_Buy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falconsfan567 Posted August 24, 2019 Share Posted August 24, 2019 5 hours ago, kiwifalcon said: I asked this early on are the long snapper and holder the same as last year. I know Bosher has been the holder for the last few years not sure if Harris is still the long snapper though? And I answered your question and told you yes, Josh Harris is still the long snapper as he has been for nearly 10 years now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NWFALCON Posted August 24, 2019 Author Share Posted August 24, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Falcanuck said: The plant foot is easily the most important aspect. In terms of power and accuracy. And yeah, definitely to hit longer kicks you're going to need a good hold. But nothing short of 40-45 yards should be an issue for these guys. What are your thoughts? https://ibb.co/9tXZzBM Edited August 24, 2019 by NWFALCON Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ya_boi_j Posted August 24, 2019 Share Posted August 24, 2019 Smh. Bosher tryin to sabotage the man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falcons007 Posted August 24, 2019 Share Posted August 24, 2019 SMH. Dude the kicker had a problem for 4-5 weeks now. He was trying to fix the earlier problem, now he has a new problem as per his own interview. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falcons007 Posted August 24, 2019 Share Posted August 24, 2019 9 hours ago, A Dog Named Brian said: I’m wondering if it’s mental with him too? Last year he was only filling in, now he’s ‘The Guy’. Good find This is where it is right now, they should have brought a kicker to the camp. A Dog Named Brian 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkMc44 Posted August 24, 2019 Share Posted August 24, 2019 Not to pile on, but has he had a touch back on a kick off yet this pre-season? GO FALCONS!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoundBred Posted August 24, 2019 Share Posted August 24, 2019 19 hours ago, Falcanuck said: As a former kicker, minute details of the hold only really matter at long distances. The hold in picture 2 shouldn't be that big of an issue and also people who blame the laces are just looking for an excuse. Laces are annoying at times and can reduce distance, but often aren't an issue at all. I think Vech will be fine, but yeah unless the hold is completely botched it isn't very difficult to overcome. A Canadian kicker huh. You must've been popular in your locker room Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B_Lo_Touchdowns Posted August 24, 2019 Share Posted August 24, 2019 It was a chip shot, how it was held doesn't make a difference Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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