Spts1 6,867 Posted August 3, 2019 Share Posted August 3, 2019 (edited) I went back and looked at some tape. His line appear to be still using the 4-3 under techniques. One tackle playing two gap 4 technique. Nose playing two gap 1 technique and the other tackle playing 3 tech. These do change. In the diagram below, the techniques are different but the linebacker assignment is basically the same. Your outside linebackers have contain on run and pass rush in passing situations. On running plays your Mikes have Fill and Scrape duty. ( Fill gaps and Scrape the runner back inside). On passing plays the Mikes match up against the tight end and running backs. The example in the Falcon play above shows this. Quinn is running a 3-4 under with man behind it in a cover 1. He is playing a nickel. The Free Safety backpedals to his spot on the hash. The mikes pick up the running back and tight end, man by the corners. Its a very aggressive defense because you essentially can have 5 people coming at the qb in pass rush at any time. He can move the linebackers around and overload a gap. ( A specialty of Todd Bowles and Rex Ryan). Edited August 3, 2019 by slickgadawg Dirtier Bird, NeonDeion, HASHBROWN3 and 9 others 12 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Spts1 6,867 Posted August 3, 2019 Author Share Posted August 3, 2019 In this play, Denver is in a two back set with two receivers. Quinn has brought the strong safety down into the box. First read is run, second read is the strong safety covers the fullback who clears him out with either a "V" or stop route for the halfback who runs a swing pattern. Its actually a beautifully drawn up play by the Broncos. What I'm seeing here is Quinn again is still running the 4-3 concept by bringing the strong safety into the box: FalconsZone7 and Flyin' In DC 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
NorthGaBoy 1,433 Posted August 3, 2019 Share Posted August 3, 2019 1 hour ago, slickgadawg said: I went back and looked at some tape. His line appear to be still using the 4-3 under techniques. One tackle playing two gap 4 technique. Nose playing two gap 1 technique and the other tackle playing 3 tech. These do change. In the diagram below, the techniques are different but the linebacker assignment is basically the same. Your outside linebackers have contain on run and pass rush in passing situations. On running plays your Mikes have Fill and Scrape duty. ( Fill gaps and Scrape the runner back inside). On passing plays the Mikes match up against the tight end and running backs. The example in the Falcon play above shows this. Quinn is running a 3-4 under with man behind it in a cover 1. He is playing a nickel. The Free Safety backpedals to his spot on the hash. The mikes pick up the running back and tight end, man by the corners. Its a very aggressive defense because you essentially can have 5 people coming at the qb in pass rush at any time. He can move the linebackers around and overload a gap. ( A specialty of Todd Bowles and Rex Ryan). Good analysis. Thanks. Ergo Proxy, NeonDeion, ATLskinjob and 1 other 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Spts1 6,867 Posted August 3, 2019 Author Share Posted August 3, 2019 Just now, NaGaBoy said: Good analysis. Thanks. No problem. We are trying to learn. Thanx... ATLskinjob 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ballfan 992 Posted August 3, 2019 Share Posted August 3, 2019 Some camp goers are more informed than others. Thanks for the breakdown. Tim Mazetti 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ya_boi_j 67,629 Posted August 3, 2019 Share Posted August 3, 2019 Hope you don’t get to upset about these videos. That’s a genuine statement Osiruz, Ovie_Lover and papachaz 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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Spts1 6,867 Posted August 3, 2019 Author Share Posted August 3, 2019 (edited) Here Quinn again is in cover 1 with man by the corners. He has the strong safety in the box. The "leo" linebacker has his hand in the ground. Quinn is running a cover 1 nickel defense with the " leo " linebacker hand in the ground. The strong safety picks up the running back. One of the Mike's picks up the tight end. The strong safety was out of position on this play because for some reason he initially covered the tight end. Either I am misreading the assignment or the safety blew his assignment big time... LATE EDIT: I totally misread the coverage. Quinn is running a mix of zone and man here. If you look, the strong safety covered his zone and THEN drifted out late to get the running back. The corners are playing man but the nickel back, mikes and strong safety are playing a inside zone... Edited August 3, 2019 by slickgadawg ATLskinjob 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
atljbo 21,764 Posted August 3, 2019 Share Posted August 3, 2019 I've said this allllll summer... all the signs was there..... Coach Quinn saying he would use Beasley and Takk in a different way. Bob Sutton being brought in Ovie_Lover, papachaz, Spts1 and 1 other 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MSalmon 11,198 Posted August 3, 2019 Share Posted August 3, 2019 3 hours ago, slickgadawg said: I went back and looked at some tape. His line appear to be still using the 4-3 under techniques. One tackle playing two gap 4 technique. Nose playing two gap 1 technique and the other tackle playing 3 tech. These do change. In the diagram below, the techniques are different but the linebacker assignment is basically the same. Your outside linebackers have contain on run and pass rush in passing situations. On running plays your Mikes have Fill and Scrape duty. ( Fill gaps and Scrape the runner back inside). On passing plays the Mikes match up against the tight end and running backs. The example in the Falcon play above shows this. Quinn is running a 3-4 under with man behind it in a cover 1. He is playing a nickel. The Free Safety backpedals to his spot on the hash. The mikes pick up the running back and tight end, man by the corners. Its a very aggressive defense because you essentially can have 5 people coming at the qb in pass rush at any time. He can move the linebackers around and overload a gap. ( A specialty of Todd Bowles and Rex Ryan). I agree. The interesting part is how we now have a pretty good rotation of big base DEs. Cominsky played his responsibility well. Did Hageman play? Ergo Proxy, Spts1 and ATLskinjob 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ya_boi_j 67,629 Posted August 3, 2019 Share Posted August 3, 2019 1 minute ago, atljbo said: I've said this allllll summer... all the signs was there..... Coach Quinn saying he would use Beasley and Takk in a different way. Bob Sutton being brought in Don’t forget about the signings. If I’m not mistaken Vandy was the first to point it out papachaz, Ovie_Lover, vel and 1 other 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
NWFALCON 4,343 Posted August 3, 2019 Share Posted August 3, 2019 30 minutes ago, MSalmon said: I agree. The interesting part is how we now have a pretty good rotation of big base DEs. Cominsky played his responsibility well. Did Hageman play? He hurt his groin. I think It was on a play where he was doubled. He had zero burst and I started talking **** only to find out that he was hurt. MSalmon and Ovie_Lover 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jesus 26,556 Posted August 3, 2019 Share Posted August 3, 2019 I hear it's gonna be a 1-6 with our boy Grady with his hand on the turf. Ergo Proxy and Ovie_Lover 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Spts1 6,867 Posted August 3, 2019 Author Share Posted August 3, 2019 1 hour ago, MSalmon said: I agree. The interesting part is how we now have a pretty good rotation of big base DEs. Cominsky played his responsibility well. Did Hageman play? I have to go back and see if he played... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Xero 564 Posted August 3, 2019 Share Posted August 3, 2019 Lmao... this thread I just can’t. the d was definitely flying all over the field last night . I’d really like to see more skill in the return game though. ATLSlobberKnockers and Ergo Proxy 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kiwifalcon 19,747 Posted August 3, 2019 Share Posted August 3, 2019 2 hours ago, Yo_Lover said: No one cares who was first. Just annoying having the same thread rehashed over and over and over then have a certain poster strut around like he's a genius. Calm down dude lol. But that’s what TAFT is isn’t it I’m waiting for more Cap bashing and more Julio Hooper and Neal getting over paid type deal threads. It is what it is.No disrespect when it comes to the OP and teaching moments but the my go to hasn’t been on here in months. PMF where are you? VTCrunkler, Ovie_Lover and Ergo Proxy 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ya_boi_j 67,629 Posted August 3, 2019 Share Posted August 3, 2019 2 minutes ago, kiwifalcon said: But that’s what TAFT is isn’t it I’m waiting for more Cap bashing and more Julio Hooper and Neal getting over paid type deal threads. It is what it is.No disrespect when it comes to the OP and teaching moments but the my go to hasn’t been on here in months. PMF where are you? He’s one of the good ones that said **** this place. Probably come back when the season starts Ovie_Lover, papachaz and PokerSteve 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kiwifalcon 19,747 Posted August 3, 2019 Share Posted August 3, 2019 44 minutes ago, ya_boi_j said: He’s one of the good ones that said **** this place. Probably come back when the season starts Bugger I like that guy and his play breakdown & analysis. I find his explanations really easy to follow. Ergo Proxy, Ovie_Lover, ya_boi_j and 2 others 5 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
runshoot 1,382 Posted August 3, 2019 Share Posted August 3, 2019 Someone looks really sad in this thread. Not a good look. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
falconidae 21,327 Posted August 3, 2019 Share Posted August 3, 2019 Also did want to point out that no one has ever thrown for more yards in his first 11 years that Matt Ryan. 46,720 yards. Cool. Charles Wright, ya_boi_j, Ergo Proxy and 1 other 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ballfan 992 Posted August 3, 2019 Share Posted August 3, 2019 4 hours ago, ya_boi_j said: I’ve been working on a theory for quite some time regarding the way people respond to my posts compared to the way they respond to others. So far the analysis shows that what im thinking is pretty **** accurate. I need a little more data In scientific terms it is called Confirmation bias, the tendency to search for, interpret, favor, and recall information in a way that confirms one's preexisting beliefs or hypotheses. You will likely confirm exactly what you thought you would find. papachaz, Vandy, Ergo Proxy and 4 others 7 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ya_boi_j 67,629 Posted August 3, 2019 Share Posted August 3, 2019 Just now, ballfan said: In scientific terms it is called Confirmation bias, the tendency to search for, interpret, favor, and recall information in a way that confirms one's preexisting beliefs or hypotheses. You will likely confirm exactly what you thought you would find. Appreciate that. I’ll note that. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Spts1 6,867 Posted August 4, 2019 Author Share Posted August 4, 2019 20 hours ago, Precyse said: Who gives **** who was the first to call it out. Now we have plays to diagnose and see if we can be successful running the scheme. All that other **** is irrelevant. Going full time to the 3-4 would cause Duke Riley to lose out in this situation. With both Tak and Beasley both being used as the outside linebackers, it appears Campbell and Jones will be the Mikes. This is gonna be a fast linebacking corps... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GrimeyKidd 1,449 Posted August 4, 2019 Share Posted August 4, 2019 4 minutes ago, slickgadawg said: Going full time to the 3-4 would cause Duke Riley to lose out in this situation. With both Tak and Beasley both being used as the outside linebackers, it appears Campbell and Jones will be the Mikes. This is gonna be a fast linebacking corps... We need to call them EDGE versus being called outside linebackers. Because campbell would still play Outside linebacker in that situation. Foye being one of the mikes inside. Spts1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Spts1 6,867 Posted August 4, 2019 Author Share Posted August 4, 2019 9 minutes ago, GrimeyKidd said: We need to call them EDGE versus being called outside linebackers. Because campbell would still play Outside linebacker in that situation. Foye being one of the mikes inside. Thanks for the correction. If Quinn is using BOTH Tak and Beasley as Edge linebackers, then how is Campbell gonna be deployed out there also? I'm making my assumption based on Quinn saying Tak will be used as a linebacker also. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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