droopy1592 Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 1 minute ago, FalconsIn2020 said: Why are multiple ablation required? For an athlete, that must be rare. Are they simply not identifying the root cause 1 minute ago, falconidae said: So, seems like that they can perform this procedure and he might not need another one for the rest of his career. Is that correct? The whole problem here is the success rate of the procedure. That’s the real issue. It’s variable and we just don’t know until we know. He could go the whole season and be fine, but still have a problem that doesn’t show up until next year, randomly, because it doesn’t strike until it feels like it. That’s the reason it’s called paroxysmal. Most people just live with it, but a professional athlete needs the problem fixed, because you can’t play football with random dizzy spells FalconsIn2012, Ovie_Lover, falconidae and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duff_Man Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 19 minutes ago, MAD597 said: Not only do you not draft a guy in the 1st rd with a known heart condition you certainly don't freaking trade picks to move up back in the first to get said player who you knew had a heart condition. Seriously WTF was TD thinking? Pioli. falconidae, Ovie_Lover, BoomGoesTheDynamite and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tandy Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 1 hour ago, FalconsIn2020 said: Glad you are back, Mrs. Tandy. Internet hug coming at ya Thank you. I've been looking in occasionally, I just don't have much heart to post right now. But thank you for the hug. It's a struggle every day, but I will keep striving to reach a new normal in my life. Football is coming up - and I can't remember the last time I went through a season without him. It's going to be hard. Vandy, HouseofEuphoria, Ergo Proxy and 8 others 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lethal Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 Just now, Tandy said: Thank you. I've been looking in occasionally, I just don't have much heart to post right now. But thank you for the hug. It's a struggle every day, but I will keep striving to reach a new normal in my life. Good to see you posting again, sis. Prayers up for you and yours every day. Cole World, VTCrunkler, Tandy and 5 others 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tandy Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 Just now, athell said: Good to see you posting again, sis. Prayers up for you and yours every day. Thank you. The support I've received from you guys has been wonderful. Cole World, Ovie_Lover and Lethal 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconsIn2012 Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 1 minute ago, Tandy said: Thank you. I've been looking in occasionally, I just don't have much heart to post right now. But thank you for the hug. It's a struggle every day, but I will keep striving to reach a new normal in my life. The Queen of AFMB is well loved on TATF. So whenever you find yourself struggling, let us try and put a smile on your face Ovie_Lover, Vandy, Lethal and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ovie_Lover Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 2 minutes ago, Tandy said: Thank you. I've been looking in occasionally, I just don't have much heart to post right now. But thank you for the hug. It's a struggle every day, but I will keep striving to reach a new normal in my life. Football is coming up - and I can't remember the last time I went through a season without him. It's going to be hard. Really is exciting to have you back. You can reach out for anything. Vandy, Tandy, Lethal and 3 others 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconsIn2012 Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 4 minutes ago, droopy1592 said: The whole problem here is the success rate of the procedure. That’s the real issue. It’s variable and we just don’t know until we know. He could go the whole season and be fine, but still have a problem that doesn’t show up until next year, randomly, because it doesn’t strike until it feels like it. That’s the reason it’s called paroxysmal. Most people just live with it, but a professional athlete needs the problem fixed, because you can’t play football with random dizzy spells Thanks for the info, brotha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g-dawg Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 42 minutes ago, falconidae said: This is his 3rd, not his fourth. According to the falcons.com article, he had this done twice in his college career. Look, if McGary needs to take this year off to deal with this, I'm really OK with that. But, it is a fairly routine procedure, and no one here is board certified in the specialty and has access to all the medical records to make a judgement. If the team doctors clear him to play, put him back out there in a few weeks. Schefter said 6-8 weeks. Do you think Schefty made that number up himself? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
droopy1592 Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 10 minutes ago, caponine said: I'm talking about heart arrhythmia mainly You really should stfu, you have no idea what you’re talking about. Afib is an Arrhythmia and not all arrhythmias lead to heart attacks. Jesus! Bradycardia is an “arrhythmia” that most athletes have. My resting heart rate at night is 48. That’s going to cause a heart attack? Get the **** outta here. First result in google even says afib won’t cause heart attack’s however heart attacks can cause afib. You’re an idiot. 11 minutes ago, Yo_Lover said: The article 20 posted said his issue isn't life threatening. Are they taking into account he could have strokes like you said, are they ignoring them all together, or does this change what you think he has? It’s not life-threatening, but just imagine you’re blocking Von Miller then suddenly you feel lightheaded,dizzy, and nauseated. That’s what’s happening. Most people live with it. It’s just that some have it bad enough or need the problem fixed for their lifestyle needs. 4 minutes ago, caponine said: If you know like you say you do then u should know heart arrhythmias can lead to heart attacks. There are less serious arrthymias and more severe ones. Shut up and read above Ergo Proxy and Ovie_Lover 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falconidae Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 Just now, g-dawg said: Schefter said 6-8 weeks. Do you think Schefty made that number up himself? No, I just consider 6-8 weeks a few weeks. Ergo Proxy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g-dawg Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 1 minute ago, falconidae said: No, I just consider 6-8 weeks a few weeks. LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconsIn2012 Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 45 minutes ago, falconidae said: This is his 3rd, not his fourth. According to the falcons.com article, he had this done twice in his college career. Look, if McGary needs to take this year off to deal with this, I'm really OK with that. But, it is a fairly routine procedure, and no one here is board certified in the specialty and has access to all the medical records to make a judgement. If the team doctors clear him to play, put him back out there in a few weeks. This will be his 4th ”Ever since, even as he’s endured three heart procedures while trying to fulfill the can’t-miss football potential many placed on his massive shoulders, Kaleb has been making plans to make things right again for his family. “That’s certainly part of this football thing,” he says. “As much as I do it for myself and my guys, there’s this dream in the back of my head, if I get a decent contract in the end and I can finally fix everything that went wrong — I can put my family back where they should be.”… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconsIn2012 Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 3 minutes ago, droopy1592 said: You really should stfu, you have no idea what you’re talking about. Afib is an Arrhythmia and not all arrhythmias lead to heart attacks. Jesus! Bradycardia is an “arrhythmia” that most athletes have. My resting heart rate at night is 48. That’s going to cause a heart attack? Get the **** outta here. First result in google even says afib won’t cause heart attack’s however heart attacks can cause afib. You’re an idiot. It’s not life-threatening, but just imagine you’re blocking Von Miller then suddenly you feel lightheaded,dizzy, and nauseated. That’s what’s happening. Most people live with it. It’s just that some have it bad enough or need the problem fixed for their lifestyle needs. Shut up and read above It isn’t considered life threatening. It’s classified as performance limiting. But one would think you could die once your heart rate is 300-400. No? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stray Dog THA GAWD Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 TROFFED! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falconidae Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 Just now, FalconsIn2020 said: This will be his 4th ”Ever since, even as he’s endured three heart procedures while trying to fulfill the can’t-miss football potential many placed on his massive shoulders, Kaleb has been making plans to make things right again for his family. “That’s certainly part of this football thing,” he says. “As much as I do it for myself and my guys, there’s this dream in the back of my head, if I get a decent contract in the end and I can finally fix everything that went wrong — I can put my family back where they should be.”… Then the article I quoted was wrong: "The minimally-invasive procedure is similar to two previous procedures McGary has undergone in his playing career" Oh well. FalconsIn2012 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caponine Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 (edited) 8 minutes ago, droopy1592 said: You really should stfu, you have no idea what you’re talking about. Afib is an Arrhythmia and not all arrhythmias lead to heart attacks. Jesus! Bradycardia is an “arrhythmia” that most athletes have. My resting heart rate at night is 48. That’s going to cause a heart attack? Get the **** outta here. First result in google even says afib won’t cause heart attack’s however heart attacks can cause afib. You’re an idiot. It’s not life-threatening, but just imagine you’re blocking Von Miller then suddenly you feel lightheaded,dizzy, and nauseated. That’s what’s happening. Most people live with it. It’s just that some have it bad enough or need the problem fixed for their lifestyle needs. Shut up and read above Lmaoo right idk what I'm talking about but I had an arrhythmia smh, my doctors told me this DA. Your heart beats to slow or too fast and it's a concern you *** hat smh. A very slow heart rate or fast heart rate at rest is a problem. Wow you should know this stuff Edited July 31, 2019 by caponine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
droopy1592 Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minimaze_procedure This a sort of a brief explanation here js something to notice “The mechanism by which AF is eliminated by curative procedures such as the maze, minimaze, or catheter ablation is controversial. All successful methods destroy tissue in the areas of the left atrium near the junction of the pulmonary veins, hence these regions are thought to be important. A concept gaining support is that paroxysmal AF is mediated in part by the autonomic nervous system [8] and that the intrinsic cardiac nervous system, which is located in these regions, plays an important role.[10] Supporting this is the finding that targeting these autonomic sites improves the likelihood of successful elimination of AF by catheter ablation.” So this could be an extra step they take And “Long-term success of the minimaze procedures awaits a consensus. Attaining a consensus is hindered by several problems; perhaps the most important of these is incomplete or inconsistent post-procedure follow-up to determine if atrial fibrillation has recurred, although many reasons have been considered.[14] It has been clearly demonstrated that longer or more intensive follow-up identifies much more recurrent atrial fibrillation,[15] hence a procedure with more careful follow-up will appear to be less successful. In addition, procedures continue to evolve rapidly, so long follow-up data do not accurately reflect current procedural methods. For more recent minimaze procedures, only relatively small and preliminary reports are available. With those caveats in mind, it can be said that reported short-term freedom from atrial fibrillation following the radiofrequency ("Wolf") procedure ranges from 67% to 91% [6][7][9] with longer-term results in a similar range, but limited primarily to patients with paroxysmal atrial fibrillation.[16][17” Ergo Proxy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falconidae Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 14 minutes ago, droopy1592 said: The whole problem here is the success rate of the procedure. That’s the real issue. It’s variable and we just don’t know until we know. He could go the whole season and be fine, but still have a problem that doesn’t show up until next year, randomly, because it doesn’t strike until it feels like it. That’s the reason it’s called paroxysmal. Most people just live with it, but a professional athlete needs the problem fixed, because you can’t play football with random dizzy spells Appreciate the info. I know you don't have McGary's medical history. Judging off what you do know, would you have drafted him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falconidae Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 1 minute ago, droopy1592 said: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minimaze_procedure This a sort of a brief explanation here js something to notice “The mechanism by which AF is eliminated by curative procedures such as the maze, minimaze, or catheter ablation is controversial. All successful methods destroy tissue in the areas of the left atrium near the junction of the pulmonary veins, hence these regions are thought to be important. A concept gaining support is that paroxysmal AF is mediated in part by the autonomic nervous system [8] and that the intrinsic cardiac nervous system, which is located in these regions, plays an important role.[10] Supporting this is the finding that targeting these autonomic sites improves the likelihood of successful elimination of AF by catheter ablation.” So this could be an extra step they take And “Long-term success of the minimaze procedures awaits a consensus. Attaining a consensus is hindered by several problems; perhaps the most important of these is incomplete or inconsistent post-procedure follow-up to determine if atrial fibrillation has recurred, although many reasons have been considered.[14] It has been clearly demonstrated that longer or more intensive follow-up identifies much more recurrent atrial fibrillation,[15] hence a procedure with more careful follow-up will appear to be less successful. In addition, procedures continue to evolve rapidly, so long follow-up data do not accurately reflect current procedural methods. For more recent minimaze procedures, only relatively small and preliminary reports are available. With those caveats in mind, it can be said that reported short-term freedom from atrial fibrillation following the radiofrequency ("Wolf") procedure ranges from 67% to 91% [6][7][9] with longer-term results in a similar range, but limited primarily to patients with paroxysmal atrial fibrillation.[16][17” Thanks, got a definition for short term and long term? Ergo Proxy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JD dirtybird21 Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 Take it easy guys. Carry on with the discussion but ease up on the name calling. Ovie_Lover and Ergo Proxy 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
droopy1592 Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 4 minutes ago, FalconsIn2020 said: It isn’t considered life threatening. It’s classified as performance limiting. But one would think you could die once your heart rate is 300-400. No? If you leave it there, sure, but I can count on two fingers over 11 years how many times I’ve seen RVR go over 200 and only heard of a random case of 300. It generally doesn’t happen with paroxysmal afib... not that high. Ergo Proxy, Lethal and Ovie_Lover 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duff_Man Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 Just like the Saints and their fans...no heart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lethal Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 7 minutes ago, FalconsIn2020 said: It isn’t considered life threatening. It’s classified as performance limiting. But one would think you could die once your heart rate is 300-400. No? Depends on the person and how long the heart is at that pace, but considering 60-100 is normal...300 is very dangerous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
droopy1592 Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 (edited) 6 minutes ago, falconidae said: Appreciate the info. I know you don't have McGary's medical history. Judging off what you do know, would you have drafted him? With the knowledge that we are on perhaps the fourth procedure, no. It’s not likely to be repaired unless they take the extra steps to look into autonomic causes. It’s sad but true. I like the guy, but I wouldn’t have drafted him. Edited July 31, 2019 by droopy1592 falconidae and Ergo Proxy 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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