caponine 6,586 Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 Just now, droopy1592 said: LoL ok buddy. You know more about it than me. Carry on. I dont even know you lol if your heart is beating too fast it decreases the blood that can get to your heart and will lead to heart disease Quote Link to post Share on other sites
droopy1592 7,350 Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 (edited) 1 minute ago, caponine said: I dont even know you lol if your heart is beating too fast it decreases the blood that can get to your heart and will lead to heart disease Dude, I literally read EKGs and notice arrhythmias with my eyes closed everyday, plus deal with cardiac clearances and do long cases with patients with a fib. Please tell me more. Edited July 31, 2019 by droopy1592 Flying Falcon 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
caponine 6,586 Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 Just now, droopy1592 said: Dude, I literally read EKGs and notice arrhythmias with my eyes closed everyday, plus deal with cardiac clearances and do long cases with patients with a fib. Please tell me more. Then u should know this stuff. Smh , Quote Link to post Share on other sites
droopy1592 7,350 Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 Just now, caponine said: Then u should know this stuff. Smh , You didn’t even read my post... or comprehend it, one or the other. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
FalconsIn2012 35,705 Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 7 minutes ago, droopy1592 said: You quoted me saying it I guess I don’t know what you are saying. There are different degrees and multiple kinds of a-fib. Each type can be valvular or non-valvular impacting the treatment Paroxysmal AF Persistent AF Long standing persistent  AF Each has a different recovery and risks. No? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
caponine 6,586 Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 Just now, droopy1592 said: You didn’t even read my post... or comprehend it, one or the other. Smh lol maybe u should keep your eyes open when u work Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MAD597 7,498 Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 Not only do you not draft a guy in the 1st rd with a known heart condition you certainly don't freaking trade picks to move up back in the first to get said player who you knew had a heart condition. Seriously WTF was TD thinking? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dem Birds 11,055 Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 6 minutes ago, droopy1592 said: Dude, I literally read EKGs and notice arrhythmias with my eyes closed everyday, plus deal with cardiac clearances and do long cases with patients with a fib. Please tell me more. Then you're probably doing a bad job if your eyes are closed.. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
birdz4i 9,742 Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 Falcons rookie Kaleb McGary to undergo cardiac ablation procedure, likely out 6-8 weeks. https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/falcons-rookie-kaleb-mcgary-to-undergo-cardiac-ablation-procedure-likely-out-6-8-weeks/ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ovie_Lover 30,093 Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 Lol someone keeps crying in the thread but no one is replying so he just keeps trying!! Y'all please keep ignoring him. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
droopy1592 7,350 Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 1 minute ago, FalconsIn2020 said: I guess I don’t know what you are saying. There are different degrees and multiple kinds of a-fib. Paroxysmal AF Persistent AF Long standing persistent  AF Each has a different recovery and risks. No? More likely than not, he has paroxysmal. He wouldn’t be in the nfl otherwise. It comes and goes and rarely leads to RVR (rapid ventricular rate which @caponine seems to think is the base of afib) but if he had a spell of RVR it’s what led to the feeling of being ill on the field. He’s not going to have a heart attack, as afib doesn’t lead to this. Afib leads to strokes and pulmonary embolisms which both can be fatal. FalconsIn2012 and Flying Falcon 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
droopy1592 7,350 Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 5 minutes ago, caponine said: Smh lol maybe u should keep your eyes open when u work You should stfu and stick in your lane. You know nothing about afib. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
OilFuturesTrader19 1,727 Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 35 minutes ago, octoslash said: That's fair to say about Ty, but are you saying you're more confident with McGary who's never played a big league down? No..it's saying I was hoping that Mcgary would develop enough in preseason to beat out Ty . Ty is not a starting NFL tackle. A stop gap measure at best. Ty has already proven he's not a starter. Let's give McGary a shot. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
falconidae 21,510 Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 22 minutes ago, caponine said: Did you not hear what @FalconsIn2020 just said. He has severe a fib. If you get a heart of 300 beats per minute that basically means your dead. NFL football is much more demanding. It's way different from college. Did you not read what I just posted? Dr.,who was a NFL's team Dr. for 17 years, described it as a routine minor procedure. Really like @FalconsIn2020 posts, doubt very much he has a medical degree and/or access to Calebs records. I'll grant you that McGary's case may be much different than Samuels, but, here's the thing. may not be. As I said earlier, all for taking care of the man, life is more important than football, Caleb can sit out as long as he needs to, ####, if it turns out that what he needs to do is retire, I'm OK with that too, for McGary [ will suck for the team]. Falcons obviously knew about this and decided it was worth the risk to draft him, that means they don't expect it to be life threatening, or career threatening. Could they have been wrong? Sure. But, I think we'll see McGary back on the field in a month or two. FalconsIn2012 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
droopy1592 7,350 Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 11 minutes ago, caponine said: I dont even know you lol if your heart is beating too fast it decreases the blood that can get to your heart and will lead to heart disease Lol and this is a totally misinformed statement. Afib gives you a bit less (25%) less cardiac output due to the absence of atrial kick. Instead of the heart having full output the atrium isn’t helping the ventricle like it should because it’s too busy shaking like a crackhead and not conducting properly. This doesn’t really affect the blood supplying the heart because the heart gets perfused during diastole, when the heart isn’t really beating momentarily. Heart disease is totally irrelevant to this convo other than heart disease can cause afib. You have it backwards. falconidae and Flying Falcon 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ovie_Lover 30,093 Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 5 minutes ago, droopy1592 said: More likely than not, he has paroxysmal. He wouldn’t be in the nfl otherwise. It comes and goes and rarely leads to RVR (rapid ventricular rate which @caponine seems to think is the base of afib) but if he had a spell of RVR it’s what led to the feeling of being ill on the field. He’s not going to have a heart attack, as afib doesn’t lead to this. Afib leads to strokes and pulmonary embolisms which both can be fatal. The article 20 posted said his issue isn't life threatening. Are they taking into account he could have strokes like you said, are they ignoring them all together, or does this change what you think he has? Flying Falcon 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
caponine 6,586 Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 1 minute ago, droopy1592 said: Lol and this is a totally misinformed statement. Afib gives you a bit less (25%) less cardiac output due to the absence of atrial kick. Instead of the heart having full output the atrium isn’t helping the ventricle like it should because it’s too busy shaking like a crackhead and not conducting properly. This doesn’t really affect the blood supplying the heart because the heart gets perfused during diastole, when the heart isn’t really beating momentarily. Heart disease is totally irrelevant to this convo other than heart disease can cause afib. You have it backwards. I'm talking about heart arrhythmia mainly Quote Link to post Share on other sites
droopy1592 7,350 Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 3 minutes ago, falconidae said: Did you not read what I just posted? Dr.,who was a NFL's team Dr. for 17 years, described it as a routine minor procedure. Really like @FalconsIn2020 posts, doubt very much he has a medical degree and/or access to Calebs records. I'll grant you that McGary's case may be much different than Samuels, but, here's the thing. may not be. As I said earlier, all for taking care of the man, life is more important than football, Caleb can sit out as long as he needs to, ####, if it turns out that what he needs to do is retire, I'm OK with that too, for McGary [ will suck for the team]. Falcons obviously knew about this and decided it was worth the risk to draft him, that means they don't expect it to be life threatening, or career threatening. Could they have been wrong? Sure. But, I think we'll see McGary back on the field in a month or two. I wouldn’t totally call that routine, because sometimes we have to chemically stop the heart completely in order to perform the ablation. It is a minor procedure though, and recovery is easy. The problem is the success rate of the procedure. That’s what we should be worried about. @caponine has no idea what he’s talking about. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
falconidae 21,510 Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 1 minute ago, droopy1592 said: I wouldn’t totally call that routine, because sometimes we have to chemically stop the heart completely in order to perform the ablation. It is a minor procedure though, and recovery is easy. The problem is the success rate of the procedure. That’s what we should be worried about. @caponine has no idea what he’s talking about. So, seems like that they can perform this procedure and he might not need another one for the rest of his career. Is that correct? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
FalconsIn2012 35,705 Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 10 minutes ago, droopy1592 said: More likely than not, he has paroxysmal. He wouldn’t be in the nfl otherwise. It comes and goes and rarely leads to RVR (rapid ventricular rate which @caponine seems to think is the base of afib) but if he had a spell of RVR it’s what led to the feeling of being ill on the field. He’s not going to have a heart attack, as afib doesn’t lead to this. Afib leads to strokes and pulmonary embolisms which both can be fatal. Why are multiple ablation required? For an athlete, that must be rare. Are they simply not identifying the root cause Quote Link to post Share on other sites
droopy1592 7,350 Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 2 minutes ago, Yo_Lover said: The article 20 posted said his issue isn't life threatening. Are they taking into account he could have strokes like you said, are they ignoring them all together, or does this change what you think he has? The persistent a fib is what leads to strokes. I’m sure he doesn’t have that. Paroxysmal not so much. The problem is when he exerts himself during practice and the game, and his a fib strikes (paroxysmal means we don’t know what precipitates the event) when his heart rate is already high, this can lead to rapid ventricular rate during the transient afib, which was what will make him feel like *** and even faint or collapse momentarily. The Great American and Ovie_Lover 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AgapeElement 124 Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 2 hours ago, FalconsIn2020 said: Since it’s his 3rd time I suspect the time out is longer. Plus, returning to a desk job isn’t returning to the NFL. 2-3 months seems probable Thanks DOC...oh wait... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
caponine 6,586 Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 6 minutes ago, droopy1592 said: Lol and this is a totally misinformed statement. Afib gives you a bit less (25%) less cardiac output due to the absence of atrial kick. Instead of the heart having full output the atrium isn’t helping the ventricle like it should because it’s too busy shaking like a crackhead and not conducting properly. This doesn’t really affect the blood supplying the heart because the heart gets perfused during diastole, when the heart isn’t really beating momentarily. Heart disease is totally irrelevant to this convo other than heart disease can cause afib. You have it backwards. If you know like you say you do then u should know heart arrhythmias can lead to heart attacks. There are less serious arrthymias and more severe ones. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
FalconsIn2012 35,705 Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 12 minutes ago, falconidae said: Did you not read what I just posted? Dr.,who was a NFL's team Dr. for 17 years, described it as a routine minor procedure. Really like @FalconsIn2020 posts, doubt very much he has a medical degree and/or access to Calebs records. I'll grant you that McGary's case may be much different than Samuels, but, here's the thing. may not be. As I said earlier, all for taking care of the man, life is more important than football, Caleb can sit out as long as he needs to, ####, if it turns out that what he needs to do is retire, I'm OK with that too, for McGary [ will suck for the team]. Falcons obviously knew about this and decided it was worth the risk to draft him, that means they don't expect it to be life threatening, or career threatening. Could they have been wrong? Sure. But, I think we'll see McGary back on the field in a month or two. Very true. I have absolutely no training or education in the field. I’ve read up on it but I am mostly going off logic. The fact it’s recurring is the concern. The procedure not so much falconidae 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
FalconsIn2012 35,705 Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 2 minutes ago, AgapeElement said: Thanks DOC...oh wait... I try.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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