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Hearing more and more from DQ on interviews about 3-4 looks. Now with Bailey in the mix, can you imagine a line of DL of Bailey, Grady, and Shede/Crawford/Clay and OLBs Takk and a reinvigorated (hopefully) Beasley on pass rush? Our DEs in a 3-4 look are penetrators, not just space eaters. That push could land a lot sacks right in Takk and Vic’s hands.  

The defense could be just as fun to watch as the offense this year. 

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Let people keep sleeping on this defensive line. We've got a chance to be one of the best DL's in the NFL. Don't forget Davidson who has quietly put in good work for the last couple of years he can push the line back. Then Shede if given the opportunity, strong as an Ox, athletic for his size with something to prove. Pass rushing specialist A. Clayborn will provide some heat from the DE position. I'm expecting some improvement from Senat and Comiskey could help too with all that talent around him. Even Zimmerman can provide depth. Vic and Taak should be motivated this year and DQ will be able to give his utmost attention to the Defense. If the other positions on the D play well this group can be special! Way to go TD.

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It’ll sure be fun to watch.  

The fan’s excitement level will explode with any large increase of success.  

We’re starving for that MEAN defense that snuffs out our opponents, forces turnovers, sacks the QB, gang tackles, stuffs RB’s, kills short area dump offs to the tailback & smothers WR’s.

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For those of us who are old enough to remember "the bomb squad", does this line remind you of them as much as it does me?  They were never the most talented bunch (only Chuck Smith was really elite), but the sum of the parts was significantly better than the individual talent when you rotated and deployed them in different combinations.  

 

  

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3 hours ago, vel said:

The line has a bunch of talent and is actually two levels deep with actual NFL caliber talent:

Vic/Grady/Crawford/Takk

Clayborn/Senat/Davison/Bailey

With Hageman and Cominsky, that's a deep group with a lot of ability to play various looks. It all comes down to DQ getting them to do it. 

Man, I've wanted to be high on the DLine for so long, and would love to be as optimistic as you are. But does this line really do anything for you on paper? The only one who's any better than OK is Grady, who I think is a top 5 DT. The others are a mix of 'just ok,' 'great potential,' 'role player,' and 'if he stays healthy' kinds of guys. I'd love for them to be a 'greater than the sum of their parts' group, but it's been a while since I've seen a reason to believe or expect that will be the case.

I hate to be a downer at this time of year, but I think it would be a lot of career years and guys exceeding expectations in order to achieve what some of the hopes in this thread seem to be.

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49 minutes ago, rugger8 said:

Man, I've wanted to be high on the DLine for so long, and would love to be as optimistic as you are. But does this line really do anything for you on paper? The only one who's any better than OK is Grady, who I think is a top 5 DT. The others are a mix of 'just ok,' 'great potential,' 'role player,' and 'if he stays healthy' kinds of guys. I'd love for them to be a 'greater than the sum of their parts' group, but it's been a while since I've seen a reason to believe or expect that will be the case.

I hate to be a downer at this time of year, but I think it would be a lot of career years and guys exceeding expectations in order to achieve what some of the hopes in this thread seem to be.

To begin with, they are all NFL caliber. There are no Terrell McClain's that we are hoping can do something. No Derrick Shelby type players, fringe NFL type guys. Literally all eight of those guys I listed are NFL players, not fringe guys. 

56 minutes ago, rugger8 said:

Vic/Grady/Crawford/Takk

Clayborn/Senat/Davison/Bailey

I didn't say much beyond talent though and spoke to them being two deep with actual NFL caliber talent. Right now, the worst player of that bunch is Vic, who at worst is Brooks Reed. Last year, Reed was one of the better DL we had. But Vic has the talent to lead the league in sacks, unlike Reed. That's the difference. It still comes down to production. But you can't produce if you lack talent. I don't think they have to exceed expectations. Takk is primed for a break out. He had 7 sacks last year, 5.5 through 6 weeks. Crawford gave you a legit 6 sacks from the interior, matching Grady. Those four players I listed on the top give you 24 sacks out the gate if they don't take another step. 

Clayborn we know can produce, gave us 17 sacks in three seasons. Senat is not much of a pass rusher at this point, but was dominating Pro Bowl caliber centers as a rookie in the run game (Kelce, Pouncey). Davison is one of the better run stopping DTs, anchoring that Saints unit that was tops in the league just last year. And Bailey had a career year in sacks (6) but has consistently been one of the more physically demanding DL to block during his time at KC. 

Again, it still comes down to production. Vic can give us another 5 sack season and Takk can throw his shoulder out again. It can all fail. But we're not relying on fringe roster guys or guys who have low ceilings to exceed their ability. Bailey and Davison were starters just last year. Clayborn didn't start only because Flowers was ahead of him. And Senat didn't start because Grady is ahead of him. 

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48 minutes ago, vel said:

Again, it still comes down to production. Vic can give us another 5 sack season and Takk can throw his shoulder out again. It can all fail. But we're not relying on fringe roster guys or guys who have low ceilings to exceed their ability. Bailey and Davison were starters just last year. Clayborn didn't start only because Flowers was ahead of him. And Senat didn't start because Grady is ahead of him. 

I hear you. I don't think you went overboard with anything specifically. I quoted you but I think I might have been responding to the overall tone of the thread. I hope we get a best case scenario and it plays out the way we all can rationalize. I've done that too much in the past to expect it again. Maybe a case of Falcon burnout. I dunno. 

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12 minutes ago, rugger8 said:

I hear you. I don't think you went overboard with anything specifically. I quoted you but I think I might have been responding to the overall tone of the thread. I hope we get a best case scenario and it plays out the way we all can rationalize. I've done that too much in the past to expect it again. Maybe a case of Falcon burnout. I dunno. 

Lol no your reaction is definitely warranted. I just explained the reason why I'm more optimistic this time around. We aren't trying to force the issue on the DL with marginally talented players. For instance, Terrell McClain was supposed to do what exactly? He wasn't that good and the hope was that he was marginal because he was in a 3-4, only for him to be marginal in Atlanta because that was who he was. Davison is a better player in the role McClain was supposed to fill. Brooks Reed was a maxed out player but we didn't have anybody better at the time. Shelby didn't even make a roster before we brought him back and he still hasn't signed. 

Of that group of 8, your "worst" players are Vic and an unproven Senat maybe. That's not a bad situation. May not be a top ten group this year, but I don't think they'll be a season long liability. That's a big step in the right direction I think. 

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5 hours ago, rugger8 said:

Man, I've wanted to be high on the DLine for so long, and would love to be as optimistic as you are. But does this line really do anything for you on paper? The only one who's any better than OK is Grady, who I think is a top 5 DT. The others are a mix of 'just ok,' 'great potential,' 'role player,' and 'if he stays healthy' kinds of guys. I'd love for them to be a 'greater than the sum of their parts' group, but it's been a while since I've seen a reason to believe or expect that will be the case.

I hate to be a downer at this time of year, but I think it would be a lot of career years and guys exceeding expectations in order to achieve what some of the hopes in this thread seem to be.

Takk, Grady, Crawford, Vic, Clayborn & Bailey have all had 6+ sacks in a year, 4 of the 6 did it last year. 

If you get 30 sacks from those guys-who have all proven they can do it, plus another dozen from the rest of the defense, that's a reasonable total- that would have been 15th last year. If there's consistent pressures as well, could be much better than some folks think.

Davison, Senat and Bailey [ maybe Hags & Cominsky as well]can play the run, let the pass rushers play fewer snaps, stay fresher.

When DQ's team won the super bowl, they had an 8 man Dline rotation, with 7 of the 8 playing between 400-500 snaps. Other guy played like 600. While that team had more individual talent, think Quinn wants that kind of rotation here.

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9 hours ago, falconidae said:

Takk, Grady, Crawford, Vic, Clayborn & Bailey have all had 6+ sacks in a year, 4 of the 6 did it last year. 

If you get 30 sacks from those guys-who have all proven they can do it, plus another dozen from the rest of the defense, that's a reasonable total- that would have been 15th last year. If there's consistent pressures as well, could be much better than some folks think.

Davison, Senat and Bailey [ maybe Hags & Cominsky as well]can play the run, let the pass rushers play fewer snaps, stay fresher.

When DQ's team won the super bowl, they had an 8 man Dline rotation, with 7 of the 8 playing between 400-500 snaps. Other guy played like 600. While that team had more individual talent, think Quinn wants that kind of rotation here.

This DL reminds me a lot of that Seattle rotation. 

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2 hours ago, falcons007 said:

Except the Edge rushers. Falcons don’t have Avril and Bennett. 

Yeah, but they weren’t exactly elite, albeit very good when healthy....I think Takk will step up and fill one (Avril) of those roles. Who knows, maybe Bailey can be MB-lite? 

Hopefully, Beasley can be as good as Irvin was in LEO.

And one could argue our rotation is a little better all around...

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1 minute ago, Vandy said:

Yeah, but they weren’t elite, albeit very good when healthy....I think Takk will step up and fill one of those roles. 

Those guys were definitely undervalued in Seattle. The secondary gets all the credit but those edge guys along with Wagner were critical to that defense being as dominating as it was. 

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16 hours ago, JD dirtybird21 said:

Those guys were definitely undervalued in Seattle. The secondary gets all the credit but those edge guys along with Wagner were critical to that defense being as dominating as it was. 

Agree on Wagner...but we have Debo :)

Bennett and Avril benefited from their secondary blanketing receivers and giving pass rush more time to sack QB. 

Secondary is where we aren’t as close to Seattle’s, IMO.......DL/LBers and most importantly, Defensive coaching...I think we’re right there.

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10 minutes ago, JD dirtybird21 said:

I think we are closer to Seattle's secondary than we are to their front seven. 

Okay....wanna bet? (:))

Avril + Bennett averaged 8 sacks a year in Seattle....Takk is capable of that here. Bailey is coming off 6 sacks in limited role last year in KC. 

And come on JD with the secondary...We don’t have Earl Thomas or Richard Sherman when they were in their primes..

 

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1 minute ago, Vandy said:

Okay....wanna bet? (:))

Avril + Bennett averaged 8 sacks a year in Seattle....Takk is capable of that here. 

 

You're right, he is. But I still wouldn't take Takk and Beasley over Bennett and Avril. The only player on our front 7 that is significantly better than Seattle's position is Grady. I know Debo is awesome, but he isn't Bobby Wagner...yet. As for the secondary, potential is the key with our guys. Neal is pretty underrated IMO. Trufant has the ability to play like a great corner too. 

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