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Matt Ryan is Elite. Period.

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On mobile and wasn’t able to quote the artical properly,  but many of us already knew MR2 was elite  

https://www.profootballnetwork.com/atlanta-falcons-matt-ryan-elite-qb/

 

Atlanta Falcons‘ quarterback Matt Ryan is underrated. But the way in which he has been underrated is strange. It’s not that people think that he’s bad. But most would stop short of calling him elite. Doing a quick google search for “NFL quarterback rankings” reveals that this is more than just a common intuition. Ryan is consistently ranked somewhere between sixth and tenth overall; a good quarterback, but not a great one.

And I think that’s pretty unfair. Gregg Rosenthal of NFL.com, for example, lists the Atlanta Falcons’ starter as the NFL’s eighth-best quarterback last season, behind Jared Goff, who in my mind was and is clearly an inferior player. And I’m not trying to suggest that Goff is a bad quarterback. But ranking him above Ryan significantly undervalues what the latter quarterback has accomplished over the last several years.

Matt Ryan is rarely bad, and in recent years he has often been great

One thing that even Ryan’s critics agree upon is that he is incredibly consistent from season to season. He has never thrown more interceptions than touchdowns, and he hasn’t thrown fewer than 20 touchdowns since his rookie season. He has also had at least 4,000 passing yards in each of the last eight seasons. Even during his worst seasons, Ryan is still capable of putting up big numbers.

And when he and the Falcons are firing on all cylinders, their offense is virtually unstoppable. During his 2016 MVP season, Ryan was at the helm of the best offense in the NFL, ranked first in points per game and second in yards per game. And his personal statistics were excellent as well. He threw for 4,944 yards, 38 touchdowns, and just seven interceptions.

Even though the team underperformed, Ryan still played well last season

Matt Ryan’s incredible MVP season was just three years ago. And because Atlanta hasn’t matched that level of success as a team in the two years since, some people seem to have written Ryan’s statistics off as something of a fluke. But in reality, his overall production has changed very little. Last season, for example, did not go very well for the Atlanta Falcons.

But it’s difficult to blame Ryan for this failure because statistically, he had one of the best seasons of his career. His 4,924 yards and 35 touchdowns through the air were surpassed only by that aforementioned 2016 MVP season. Ryan also tied his career-low from that season with seven interceptions. The season prior was a bit of a down year for him personally, but that still makes two times in three years in which Ryan put up elite numbers.

Compared to other quarterbacks, Ryan was largely responsible for his own success

But statistical success doesn’t necessarily represent a player’s individual skill level. Maybe you think that Ryan’s statistics are the product of his offensive system, or are overly influenced by the fact that he gets to throw to Julio Jones, one of the best wide receivers in the NFL. In fact, the Atlanta Falcons have, arguably, the best wide receiver trio in the NFL with Jones, Calvin Ridley, and Mohamed Sanu.

And while those are certainly factors in his success, it once again unfairly diminishes the things that Ryan has accomplished during his Atlanta Falcons career to focus solely on them. It is important to examine how he played in a vacuum, ignoring those mitigating factors.

The Pro Football Network Offensive Share Metric (OSM) grades allow us to examine Ryan’s performance in this way. The system takes into account only factors that an individual player could control, such as air yards or completion probability. And if you look purely at his OSM grades, Matt Ryan was arguably the best player in the NFL over the last three seasons. I know that sounds hyperbolic, but it really isn’t.

Last season, Ryan had the fourth-best grade of any quarterback with 30.3. That is already an excellent grade, one that implies that, relative to other quarterbacks in the NFL, he was critical to the success of his offense last season. However, Ryan’s 2018 grade was actually lower than how he scored in prior seasons.

Matt Ryan’s 2016 and 2017 OSM grades were unbelievable

In 2017, a relatively poor year for Ryan statistically, he performed even better on this metric. “Even better” is a bit of an understatement though, since his 2017 grade was 50.48, a full 20 points higher than last season, and around 14 points higher than the highest grade received by any quarterback in 2018. And during his 2016 MVP season, he did even better, receiving the completely ludicrous grade of 58.38.

For some context, that is the highest grade received by any player from 2016-2018, regardless of position. That is particularly impressive because quarterback grades tend to be lower on average. More than any other player during that three-year period, Ryan was able to maximize every opportunity presented to him. While this does not necessarily indicate that he was the best player in the NFL at any given time, it does show somewhat definitively that Ryan’s statistics were largely of his own making.

It is time to stop underrating Matt Ryan

The goal of this article is not to say that Ryan is the best quarterback in the NFL. But I think he deserves to be in that conversation, and he almost never is. As I said at the beginning of this article, the way people view him is somewhat confusing.

They don’t think he is on the same level as other supposed “good-not-great” quarterbacks like Dak Prescott, but at the same time, they are unwilling to put him in the same category as players like Aaron Rodgers or Tom Brady. Maybe if the Atlanta Falcons had held on to their 28-3 lead over the New England Patriots in Super Bowl LI Ryan would be classified as elite. Maybe not.

It almost seems as though he is in a tier of his own, somewhere in between “pretty good” and “elite.”  But when you take a closer look, it rapidly becomes apparent just how good he has been in recent years. And I think it’s high time that he gets the recognition he deserves.”

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Just going to post this once a month as a friendly reminder

 

Matt Ryan was arguably the best player in the NFL over the last three seasons. I know that sounds hyperbolic, but it really isn’t.

Last season, Ryan had the fourth-best grade of any quarterback with 30.3. That is already an excellent grade, one that implies that, relative to other quarterbacks in the NFL, he was critical to the success of his offense last season. However, Ryan’s 2018 grade was actually lower than how he scored in prior seasons.

Matt Ryan’s 2016 and 2017 OSM grades were unbelievable

In 2017, a relatively poor year for Ryan statistically, he performed even better on this metric. “Even better” is a bit of an understatement though, since his 2017 grade was 50.48, a full 20 points higher than last season, and around 14 points higher than the highest grade received by any quarterback in 2018. And during his 2016 MVP season, he did even better, receiving the completely ludicrous grade of 58.38.

For some context, that is the highest grade received by any player from 2016-2018, regardless of position. That is particularly impressive because quarterback grades tend to be lower on average. More than any other player during that three-year period, Ryan was able to maximize every opportunity presented to him. While this does not necessarily indicate that he was the best player in the NFL at any given time, it does show somewhat definitively that Ryan’s statistics were largely of his own making.

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It's because:

A. He's boring. Fans want the exciting. They want to be entertained on and off the field. Matt just goes to work

B. Most fans/media make up their minds about a player during their rookie contract. The first five years in the league define you as a player for most. Especially QBs. Matt was just fine doing his first five years, not great like Russell Wilson. As a result, fans put him in that box where he was in 2010-2012. 

C. He's too consistent. Very few volatile moments. And he continues to improve every year, which is boring even though that's what everybody wants. There is no conversation to be made with Matt. If Matt went and got in trouble this offseason, shaking up his clean rep and then proceeded to put up the same exact numbers he just did in 2016 and 2018, it's a much bigger story and would boost his public persona. But because he's clean and consistent and stays out of trouble, it's boring and nobody likes it. 

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His critics write him off as a one hit wonder for 2016. What we know here is he has been putting up numbers basically his entire career and has improved steadily honing his game.  I thought in 2017 he actually individually played better then he did in 2016. He was more mobile in the pocket and he scrambled to make first downs and extend plays. 

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Outside of lack of connecting on the deep ball with Julio and him locking down on 1 guys sometimes, there is really nothing bad to say about Matt. Also, who underrates him outside of people who love the younger guys?? I rarely watch ESPN or any other sports tv outlet anymore but everytime I hear someone talking about Matt, he's mentioned as an elite QB. He gets a lot more respect than people realize. It's us the fans and social media personalities that don't put respect on his name

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15 minutes ago, falcons007 said:

Homers out in full force. Ryan is a bum and puts up numbers coz of Julio and all the weapons and the run gane

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12 minutes ago, ya_boi_j said:

Outside of lack of connecting on the deep ball with Julio and him locking down on 1 guys sometimes, there is really nothing bad to say about Matt. Also, who underrates him outside of people who love the younger guys?? I rarely watch ESPN or any other sports tv outlet anymore but everytime I hear someone talking about Matt, he's mentioned as an elite QB. He gets a lot more respect than people realize. It's us the fans and social media personalities that don't put respect on his name

Deep ball I grant you.  Locking onto one receiver hasn’t really been a thing since 2015

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He’s been labeled as a choke artist for whatever (false) reasons. I woulda thought the Super Bowl run woulda put that to rest but I think his early post season records has blemished his overall reputation as an elite QB. He literally has had one of if not the best starts to a career statically of any QB ever, but he lacks in the sexy stat of touchdowns. He’s been close but hasn’t gotten a ring so he isn’t looked at as a QB that can carry you to a ring. He’s just a day late in a dollar short of making him a fan favorite to the general public. Students of the game give him respect though  

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1 hour ago, falcons007 said:

Homers out in full force. Ryan is a bum and puts up numbers coz of Julio and all the weapons and the run gane

And in 2013, when Julio and Roddy were both injured, what's your excuse for his 4,515 yards and 26 TDs when his best receiver was Harry Douglas? Before you bring up Tony Gonzales, he had a total of 859 receiving yards and 8 TDs, while Harry Douglas had 1,067 yards and 2 TDs. Matt's weapons were gone, and he still put up over 4,500 yards...

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1 hour ago, vel said:

It's because:

A. He's boring. Fans want the exciting. They want to be entertained on and off the field. Matt just goes to work

B. Most fans/media make up their minds about a player during their rookie contract. The first five years in the league define you as a player for most. Especially QBs. Matt was just fine doing his first five years, not great like Russell Wilson. As a result, fans put him in that box where he was in 2010-2012. 

C. He's too consistent. Very few volatile moments. And he continues to improve every year, which is boring even though that's what everybody wants. There is no conversation to be made with Matt. If Matt went and got in trouble this offseason, shaking up his clean rep and then proceeded to put up the same exact numbers he just did in 2016 and 2018, it's a much bigger story and would boost his public persona. But because he's clean and consistent and stays out of trouble, it's boring and nobody likes it. 

Great points. The first one in particular is also true that Ryan is not in any way, shape or form, polarizing. He's the most boring QB in the NFL. 

There isn't even a redemption story from Ryan. He's never suffered a serious injury and then come back to crush it. Even his MVP season doesn't really have super gaudy numbers. It was a great season nonetheless. 

The only other thing I'd point out is that the 2 biggest games of Ryan's career are SB51 and the 2012 NFCCG. Both games, the Falcons lost and surrendered large leads in the process. Casual sports fans (or stupid ones) essentially blame Ryan and label him as a "choker" as a result. 

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1 hour ago, vel said:

It's because:

A. He's boring. Fans want the exciting. They want to be entertained on and off the field. Matt just goes to work

B. Most fans/media make up their minds about a player during their rookie contract. The first five years in the league define you as a player for most. Especially QBs. Matt was just fine doing his first five years, not great like Russell Wilson. As a result, fans put him in that box where he was in 2010-2012. 

C. He's too consistent. Very few volatile moments. And he continues to improve every year, which is boring even though that's what everybody wants. There is no conversation to be made with Matt. If Matt went and got in trouble this offseason, shaking up his clean rep and then proceeded to put up the same exact numbers he just did in 2016 and 2018, it's a much bigger story and would boost his public persona. But because he's clean and consistent and stays out of trouble, it's boring and nobody likes it. 

I think the above quote sums it up well. Although I think there should be a D: section and it is all one word. ATLANTA. This City of transients has very little attachment to the team or its players. The internet and satellite TV allow transients to watch their "true home team" every sunday and thus never invest into the local team.

Matt isn't drama. Aaron Rodgers has family drama, coach drama, girlfriend drama. Thus Rodgers gets more "fame".

I think the Russel Wilson comment fits perfectly with the C category as well. Matt is the consistent, in the pocket, deliver the ball, low flash QB. Russell Wilson will run and get flushed and people think that means "better".

Matt is elite. 

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1 hour ago, vel said:

It's because:

A. He's boring. Fans want the exciting. They want to be entertained on and off the field. Matt just goes to work

B. Most fans/media make up their minds about a player during their rookie contract. The first five years in the league define you as a player for most. Especially QBs. Matt was just fine doing his first five years, not great like Russell Wilson. As a result, fans put him in that box where he was in 2010-2012. 

C. He's too consistent. Very few volatile moments. And he continues to improve every year, which is boring even though that's what everybody wants. There is no conversation to be made with Matt. If Matt went and got in trouble this offseason, shaking up his clean rep and then proceeded to put up the same exact numbers he just did in 2016 and 2018, it's a much bigger story and would boost his public persona. But because he's clean and consistent and stays out of trouble, it's boring and nobody likes it. 

Also he still hasn’t had that DEFINING TD moment in a big game yet like Brady, Peyton, and Brees, and Rodgers or Montana. He needs his “the catch” moment for a TD. He’s had plenty of great moments but still not a DEFINING moment in his career. When he has that they’ll change about him. He’s elite tho. Just needs his “the catch” TD to win a big game. 

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41 minutes ago, JD dirtybird21 said:

Great points. The first one in particular is also true that Ryan is not in any way, shape or form, polarizing. He's the most boring QB in the NFL. 

There isn't even a redemption story from Ryan. He's never suffered a serious injury and then come back to crush it. Even his MVP season doesn't really have super gaudy numbers. It was a great season nonetheless. 

The only other thing I'd point out is that the 2 biggest games of Ryan's career are SB51 and the 2012 NFCCG. Both games, the Falcons lost and surrendered large leads in the process. Casual sports fans (or stupid ones) essentially blame Ryan and label him as a "choker" as a result. 

He still needs his defining moment in a big game like Montana’s “the catch”. That’s the only thing I think is keeping him out if that category like it did for Peyton for a while. Even eli has defining moments. In both SB wins and he’s living off that. Even tho he’s not elite. If that were Matt he’d be the man above even Brady. He is elite tho. 

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13 minutes ago, TheFatboi said:

Also he still hasn’t had that DEFINING TD moment in a big game yet like Brady, Peyton, and Brees, and Rodgers or Montana. He needs his “the catch” moment for a TD. He’s had plenty of great moments but still not a DEFINING moment in his career. When he has that they’ll change about him. He’s elite tho. Just needs his “the catch” TD to win a big game. 

So true...had the 2008 Bears game been a playoff game, that would have been his signature moment.

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6 minutes ago, JD dirtybird21 said:

So true...had the 2008 Bears game been a playoff game, that would have been his signature moment.

Riiiiiiiiight!!! Or the Julio catch in the SB for a TD. Those moments usually occur somewhere during the game for Matt but not on that game winning have to have In a playoff game. 

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14 minutes ago, TheFatboi said:

He still needs his defining moment in a big game like Montana’s “the catch”. That’s the only thing I think is keeping him out if that category like it did for Peyton for a while. Even eli has defining moments. In both SB wins and he’s living off that. Even tho he’s not elite. If that were Matt he’d be the man above even Brady. He is elite tho. 

Not playoffs or SB but this is my favorite throw and drive

https://youtu.be/4KYnBdnuLaQ

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No lies detected.  It's funny how underrated he is.  To me, Matt Ryan is the Mike Trout of the NFL.  He is kinda boring, not really flashy, stays out of the limelight, but produces year after year.  It kills me that the narrative for him to the mouthbreathers will be "lol 28-3" when he was the much better QB that day.

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12 minutes ago, TheFatboi said:

Riiiiiiiiight!!! Or the Julio catch in the SB for a TD. Those moments usually occur somewhere during the game for Matt but not on that game winning have to have In a playoff game. 

That pitch and catch should have gone down in SB history as one of the most clutch plays ever.  Freaking Shanny.  Don't get me goin lol

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10 minutes ago, ya_boi_j said:

Not playoffs or SB but this is my favorite throw and drive

https://youtu.be/4KYnBdnuLaQ

Listen to the commentator at the end. That's what makes Kyle so lethal.

All drive is was Sanu going underneath, drag routes, zig routes, flat routes, and then finally at the end Sanu just cuts it up the middle and they weren't ready for it because they thought he would stay underneath.

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37 minutes ago, TheFatboi said:

Also he still hasn’t had that DEFINING TD moment in a big game yet like Brady, Peyton, and Brees, and Rodgers or Montana. He needs his “the catch” moment for a TD. He’s had plenty of great moments but still not a DEFINING moment in his career. When he has that they’ll change about him. He’s elite tho. Just needs his “the catch” TD to win a big game. 

The throw to Julio was just as good as the catch.  Nobody talks about the throw but it was absolutely perfect.  Not a TD, but it should have won the game

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13 minutes ago, TheFatboi said:

Riiiiiiiiight!!! Or the Julio catch in the SB for a TD. Those moments usually occur somewhere during the game for Matt but not on that game winning have to have In a playoff game. 

The sideline Julio catch in the 4th would've been Ryan's signature moment had Kyle not stole it from him with his jacka$$ playcalling with under four minutes to go. And please don't get me started on Freeman missing the block on Hightower; Aldrick Robinson was breaking wide open down the field...

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Just now, ratesforless said:

The sideline Julio catch in the 4th would've been Ryan's signature moment had Kyle not stole it from him with his jacka$$ playcalling with under four minutes to go. And please don't get me started on Freeman missing the block on Hightower; Aldrick Robinson was breaking wide open down the field...

Absolutely 

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