FalconsIn2012 Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 One thing I hope Koetter adopts to is how much better Ryan is when under Center and using hard PA He didn’t use PA much at all during his time in Atlanta and we simply can’t revert back to 1-dimensional football. Ryan even alludes to it once Koetter was hired: “I think, for sure, I’m open to different concepts,” Ryan said. “I think the play-action pass game that I learned from Kyle [Shanahan] is different, and I see the value in keeping that in place...” PokerSteve, Ergo Proxy, papachaz and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconsIn2012 Posted June 29, 2019 Author Share Posted June 29, 2019 To add on, in Sarks 1st year we ran just 21% of pass attempts off PA which is a complete head scratcher. Play-Action Passes Shanahan loves the play-action pass. The Falcons threw the second-most play-action passes in the NFL last season, and the 49ers ranked the same this season under the first-year head coach. And Ryan was really good in the play-action passing game in 2016, ranking sixth in QB rating in that category (109.8). That correlated to 26 big pass plays (20+ yards), 1,469 yards and nine touchdowns. Ryan has been just as good this season on play-action, he just hasn’t had as many opportunities to put it on display. After throwing 143 times after a play fake last season, he did the same only 117 times this season — the 16th-highest total in the league. That in turn produced 18 big plays and five touchdowns. The Falcons also didn’t spread the ball around as much off play-action this season. Julio Jones was the overwhelming favorite target for Ryan, throwing more than 35 percent of his play-action passes to him in 2017. Jones was one of four Falcons pass-catchers to have 10 or more targets off play-action. On the flipside, Ryan targeted six different receivers more than 10 times during his MVP season, while targeting Jones just 25 percent of the time. The bigger emphasis on getting the ball to Jones seemed to be a theme this season. PokerSteve and gazoo 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The O.D.B Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 I don't really think you can look at DK's past to determine what he will do in the future. When he came to us last time everyone and their mom was talking about using screens to slow the pass rush, and we became one of the teams who used screens most after his arrival (I believe this was partially dictated by M.Smith). As a HC he was always balanced when he could be but leaned toward what was working when something else wasn't (With Matt he passed alot more and with Crabs, he ran a lot more) This time around DQ wants him to use the existing playbook and put his touches on it and DK is a soldier so he'll do it. I think barring injuries, this will be the first time in DK's coaching career where we really get to see what he can do. The man's been hamstrung his whole coaching career in one way or another so, it should be very fun to watch. mtldirtybird, PokerSteve, papachaz and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VTCrunkler Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 Gotta get that run game going first... Macintez, MasterBateser, shock and 5 others 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconsIn2012 Posted June 29, 2019 Author Share Posted June 29, 2019 12 minutes ago, VTCrunkler said: Gotta get that run game going first... Run game was solid in 2012. Yet we only used PA on 15% of passing plays. Ergo Proxy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnrealfalcoN Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 Last time Koetter was here, the best RB on this team was a washed up Steven Jackson and the Best offensive Lineman was...Jon Asomoah who disappeared from the NFL a season later ATLSlobberKnockers, IamFRESCO1 and mtldirtybird 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMarinoNFL Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 9 minutes ago, Falconsin2012 said: Run game was solid in 2012. Yet we only used PA on 15% of passing plays. Ehhhhhk. Don't like the sound of that too much. Gotta figure out a way to spread the field on passing O. Too many weapons to force the run. I mean.. jeez, it's not hard. It worked for us in 2016. Single back formation or 12 personnel with receivers spreading the field and Hooper cutting the seam with a crosser. That's all play action. Then the very next play can be the same formation, just an outside zone look for the RB. Luckily, Ryan, Julio and DK know each other well. Can't imagine a "growing pain" will be significant between the three. Ergo Proxy and FalconsIn2012 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VTCrunkler Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 55 minutes ago, Falconsin2012 said: Run game was solid in 2012. Yet we only used PA on 15% of passing plays. Seemed like a lot more than that. Regardless I’d like to see the line blow some people back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconsIn2012 Posted June 29, 2019 Author Share Posted June 29, 2019 2 hours ago, VTCrunkler said: Seemed like a lot more than that. Regardless I’d like to see the line blow some people back. We went from 15% in 2012 to 14% in 2013 and then 18% in 2014, 23% in 2015 and 28% in 2016. Then back down to 21% under Sark VTCrunkler and Ergo Proxy 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlrfalcon Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 There are still enough veteran players around from the last few years (Ryan, Freeman, Mack, Matthews, Julio, and even Hooper) who would not be afraid to tell their "boss" what works. If this was a bunch of young players like Koetter's prior time, they would be less likely to tell him what should and should not be run with the offensive talent here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconsIn2012 Posted June 29, 2019 Author Share Posted June 29, 2019 8 hours ago, UnrealfalcoN said: Last time Koetter was here, the best RB on this team was a washed up Steven Jackson and the Best offensive Lineman was...Jon Asomoah who disappeared from the NFL a season later RB’s: Turner, Rodgers & Snelling OL: Baker, Clabo, McClure, Blalock, Hawley Not a bunch of scrubs ATLSlobberKnockers 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faithful Falcon Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 9 hours ago, Falconsin2012 said: To add on, in Sarks 1st year we ran just 21% of pass attempts off PA which is a complete head scratcher. Play-Action Passes Shanahan loves the play-action pass. The Falcons threw the second-most play-action passes in the NFL last season, and the 49ers ranked the same this season under the first-year head coach. And Ryan was really good in the play-action passing game in 2016, ranking sixth in QB rating in that category (109.8). That correlated to 26 big pass plays (20+ yards), 1,469 yards and nine touchdowns. Ryan has been just as good this season on play-action, he just hasn’t had as many opportunities to put it on display. After throwing 143 times after a play fake last season, he did the same only 117 times this season — the 16th-highest total in the league. That in turn produced 18 big plays and five touchdowns. The Falcons also didn’t spread the ball around as much off play-action this season. Julio Jones was the overwhelming favorite target for Ryan, throwing more than 35 percent of his play-action passes to him in 2017. Jones was one of four Falcons pass-catchers to have 10 or more targets off play-action. On the flipside, Ryan targeted six different receivers more than 10 times during his MVP season, while targeting Jones just 25 percent of the time. The bigger emphasis on getting the ball to Jones seemed to be a theme this season. I can't really say much about Sark here, because we couldn't run the ball. Without a decent running game, the PA is dead. We stopped running as much under Dirk. Ryan was not under center as much, and had Gonzalez as a safety blanket. That made up for our run game lacking. Hurry_Up_And_Buy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red falcon Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 Yeah we couldn't run last year. There is no excuse not to use it. It does so much for the pass gm. Ergo Proxy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconsIn2012 Posted June 29, 2019 Author Share Posted June 29, 2019 28 minutes ago, Faithful Falcon said: I can't really say much about Sark here, because we couldn't run the ball. Without a decent running game, the PA is dead. We stopped running as much under Dirk. Ryan was not under center as much, and had Gonzalez as a safety blanket. That made up for our run game lacking. We ran the ball just as well in 2017 as we did on 2016. It made the big drop in PA all the more confusing. In 2017 we ran for 1,900 yards. In 2018 our YPC was higher than 2017 and equal to 2016. We simply opted not to run Faithful Falcon 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VTCrunkler Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 6 hours ago, Falconsin2012 said: We went from 15% in 2012 to 14% in 2013 and then 18% in 2014, 23% in 2015 and 28% in 2016. Then back down to 21% under Sark Well play the percentages. I would say we ran more effectively with mm than sark. So our pa should be more effective in theory. Ergo Proxy, Faithful Falcon and FalconsIn2012 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faithful Falcon Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 19 minutes ago, Falconsin2012 said: We ran the ball just as well in 2017 as we did on 2016. It made the big drop in PA all the more confusing. In 2017 we ran for 1,900 yards. In 2018 our YPC was higher than 2017 and equal to 2016. We simply opted not to run We had the yards, but we didn't really use it properly. Ergo Proxy and papachaz 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnrealfalcoN Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 2 hours ago, Falconsin2012 said: RB’s: Turner, Rodgers & Snelling OL: Baker, Clabo, McClure, Blalock, Hawley Not a bunch of scrubs Almost all of them on their last season or two in the league, not in their prime sandtrap, MasterBateser and Falconsfan567 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterBateser Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 11 hours ago, Falconsin2012 said: Run game was solid in 2012. Yet we only used PA on 15% of passing plays. 3.7 ypc is solid? Lol 2 hours ago, Falconsin2012 said: RB’s: Turner, Rodgers & Snelling OL: Baker, Clabo, McClure, Blalock, Hawley Not a bunch of scrubs Turner 3.6 ypc Rodgers 3.9 ypc Selling 3.5 ypc Hawley? Konz was our 5th lineman he was a rookie at RG That line was ok and the runningbacks sucked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconsIn2012 Posted June 29, 2019 Author Share Posted June 29, 2019 25 minutes ago, Yo_Lover said: 3.7 ypc is solid? Lol Turner 3.6 ypc Rodgers 3.9 ypc Selling 3.5 ypc Hawley? Konz was our 5th lineman he was a rookie at RG That line was ok and the runningbacks sucked. If you say so. That same group ran for 1,900 yards under MM 6 months prior. The difference was a commitment to the run and thus PA was impacted. We attempted nearly 100 less rushing attempts in 2012 vs 2011. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterBateser Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 43 minutes ago, Falconsin2012 said: If you say so. That same group ran for 1,900 yards under MM 6 months prior. The difference was a commitment to the run and thus PA was impacted. We attempted nearly 100 less rushing attempts in 2012 vs 2011. Because players never age and get worse. Lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconsIn2012 Posted June 29, 2019 Author Share Posted June 29, 2019 6 minutes ago, Yo_Lover said: Because players never age and get worse. Lol Because they had 100 less rushing attempts. Turner, Quizz & the OL didn’t look washed up in the 2012 playoffs. Or did they? 260 yards rushing and 850 yards of offense. Seems like a quality OL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ergo Proxy Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 3 hours ago, Faithful Falcon said: We had the yards, but we didn't really use it properly. Iirc there was also a drop in rush TDs. Faithful Falcon and capitan 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconsIn2012 Posted June 29, 2019 Author Share Posted June 29, 2019 5 minutes ago, Schwarzwald said: Iirc there was also a drop in rush TDs. It’s all about play sequencing. Running the football is essential. But when you run and how you’ve disguised it and set it up are equally important. Faithful Falcon and papachaz 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ergo Proxy Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 3 minutes ago, Falconsin2012 said: It’s all about play sequencing. Running the football is essential. But when you run and how you’ve disguised it and set it up are equally important. I think our red zone rushing took a step back in 2017. Just my eye test...but maybe it looked not as good when the other explosive TDs dropped. Faithful Falcon and FalconsIn2012 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VTCrunkler Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 24 minutes ago, Yo_Lover said: Because players never age and get worse. Lol We get older.....they stay the same age.... papachaz, Ergo Proxy and MasterBateser 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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