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One thing I hope Koetter adopts to is how much better Ryan is when under Center and using hard PA

He didn’t use PA much at all during his time in Atlanta and we simply can’t revert back to 1-dimensional football.  

Ryan even alludes to it once Koetter was hired:

“I think, for sure, I’m open to different concepts,” Ryan said. “I think the play-action pass game that I learned from Kyle [Shanahan] is different, and I see the value in keeping that in place...”

 

 

 

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To add on, in Sarks 1st year we ran just 21% of pass attempts off PA which is a complete head scratcher.  

 

Play-Action Passes

Shanahan loves the play-action pass. The Falcons threw the second-most play-action passes in the NFL last season, and the 49ers ranked the same this season under the first-year head coach. And Ryan was really good in the play-action passing game in 2016, ranking sixth in QB rating in that category (109.8). That correlated to 26 big pass plays (20+ yards), 1,469 yards and nine touchdowns.

Ryan has been just as good this season on play-action, he just hasn’t had as many opportunities to put it on display. After throwing 143 times after a play fake last season, he did the same only 117 times this season — the 16th-highest total in the league. That in turn produced 18 big plays and five touchdowns.

The Falcons also didn’t spread the ball around as much off play-action this season. Julio Jones was the overwhelming favorite target for Ryan, throwing more than 35 percent of his play-action passes to him in 2017. Jones was one of four Falcons pass-catchers to have 10 or more targets off play-action. On the flipside, Ryan targeted six different receivers more than 10 times during his MVP season, while targeting Jones just 25 percent of the time.

The bigger emphasis on getting the ball to Jones seemed to be a theme this season.

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I don't really think you can look at DK's past to determine what he will do in the future. When he came to us last time everyone and their mom was talking about using screens to slow the pass rush, and we became one of the teams who used screens most after his arrival (I believe this was partially dictated by M.Smith).

As a HC he was always balanced when he could be but leaned toward what was working when something else wasn't (With Matt he passed alot more and with Crabs, he ran a lot more)

This time around DQ wants him to use the existing playbook and put his touches on it and DK is a soldier so he'll do it.  I think barring injuries, this will be the first time in DK's coaching career where we really get to see what he can do. The man's been hamstrung his whole coaching career in one way or another so, it should be very fun to watch.

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9 minutes ago, Falconsin2012 said:

Run game was solid in 2012.  Yet we only used PA on 15% of passing plays.  

Ehhhhhk. Don't like the sound of that too much. Gotta figure out a way to spread the field on passing O. Too many weapons to force the run. I mean.. jeez, it's not hard. It worked for us in 2016. Single back formation or 12 personnel with receivers spreading the field and Hooper cutting the seam with a crosser.  That's all play action. Then the very next play can be the same formation, just an outside zone look for the RB. Luckily, Ryan, Julio and DK know each other well. Can't imagine a "growing pain" will be significant between the three. 

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There are still enough veteran players around from the last few years (Ryan, Freeman, Mack, Matthews, Julio, and even Hooper) who would not be afraid to tell their "boss" what works.

If this was a bunch of young players like Koetter's prior time, they would be less likely to tell him what should and should not be run with the offensive talent here.

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8 hours ago, UnrealfalcoN said:

Last time Koetter was here, the best RB on this team was a washed up Steven Jackson and the Best offensive Lineman was...Jon Asomoah who disappeared from the NFL a season later

RB’s: Turner, Rodgers & Snelling

OL: Baker, Clabo, McClure, Blalock, Hawley 

Not a bunch of scrubs

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9 hours ago, Falconsin2012 said:

To add on, in Sarks 1st year we ran just 21% of pass attempts off PA which is a complete head scratcher.  

 

Play-Action Passes

Shanahan loves the play-action pass. The Falcons threw the second-most play-action passes in the NFL last season, and the 49ers ranked the same this season under the first-year head coach. And Ryan was really good in the play-action passing game in 2016, ranking sixth in QB rating in that category (109.8). That correlated to 26 big pass plays (20+ yards), 1,469 yards and nine touchdowns.

Ryan has been just as good this season on play-action, he just hasn’t had as many opportunities to put it on display. After throwing 143 times after a play fake last season, he did the same only 117 times this season — the 16th-highest total in the league. That in turn produced 18 big plays and five touchdowns.

The Falcons also didn’t spread the ball around as much off play-action this season. Julio Jones was the overwhelming favorite target for Ryan, throwing more than 35 percent of his play-action passes to him in 2017. Jones was one of four Falcons pass-catchers to have 10 or more targets off play-action. On the flipside, Ryan targeted six different receivers more than 10 times during his MVP season, while targeting Jones just 25 percent of the time.

The bigger emphasis on getting the ball to Jones seemed to be a theme this season.

I can't really say much about Sark here, because we couldn't run the ball. Without a decent running game, the PA is dead. We stopped running as much under Dirk. Ryan was not under center as much, and had Gonzalez as a safety blanket. That made up for our run game lacking. 

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28 minutes ago, Faithful Falcon said:

I can't really say much about Sark here, because we couldn't run the ball. Without a decent running game, the PA is dead. We stopped running as much under Dirk. Ryan was not under center as much, and had Gonzalez as a safety blanket. That made up for our run game lacking. 

We ran the ball just as well in 2017 as we did on 2016.  It made the big drop in PA all the more confusing.  

In 2017 we ran for 1,900 yards.  

In 2018 our YPC was higher than 2017 and equal to 2016.  We simply opted not to run

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19 minutes ago, Falconsin2012 said:

We ran the ball just as well in 2017 as we did on 2016.  It made the big drop in PA all the more confusing.  

In 2017 we ran for 1,900 yards.  

In 2018 our YPC was higher than 2017 and equal to 2016.  We simply opted not to run

We had the yards, but we didn't really use it properly. 

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11 hours ago, Falconsin2012 said:

Run game was solid in 2012.  Yet we only used PA on 15% of passing plays.  

3.7 ypc is solid? Lol

2 hours ago, Falconsin2012 said:

RB’s: Turner, Rodgers & Snelling

OL: Baker, Clabo, McClure, Blalock, Hawley 

Not a bunch of scrubs

Turner 3.6 ypc

Rodgers 3.9 ypc

Selling 3.5 ypc

Hawley? Konz was our 5th lineman he was a rookie at RG

That line was ok and the runningbacks sucked.

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25 minutes ago, Yo_Lover said:

3.7 ypc is solid? Lol

Turner 3.6 ypc

Rodgers 3.9 ypc

Selling 3.5 ypc

Hawley? Konz was our 5th lineman he was a rookie at RG

That line was ok and the runningbacks sucked.

If you say so.

That same group ran for 1,900 yards under MM 6 months prior.  The difference was a commitment to the run and thus PA was impacted.  We attempted nearly 100 less rushing attempts in 2012 vs 2011.

 

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43 minutes ago, Falconsin2012 said:

If you say so.

That same group ran for 1,900 yards under MM 6 months prior.  The difference was a commitment to the run and thus PA was impacted.  We attempted nearly 100 less rushing attempts in 2012 vs 2011.

 

Because players never age and get worse. Lol

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3 minutes ago, Falconsin2012 said:

It’s all about play sequencing.  Running the football is essential.  But when you run and how you’ve disguised it and set it up are equally important.

 

I think our red zone rushing took a step back in 2017. Just my eye test...but maybe it looked not as good when the other explosive TDs dropped. :shrug: 

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