Sponge Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 Drew4719, Tribal Chief, FalconsIn2012 and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
octoslash Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 Geek face says 'hard to be a hall of famer without a super bowl win' and then lists quarterbacks in the hall of fame who never won a super bowl. Drunken Minotaur Zebra, NeonDeion, Statick and 7 others 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tribal Chief Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 If they can't win it all this year, Ryan has a good chance of being just like Marino. Great QB who never won a super bowl. A Super Bowl would lock it up considering the QB gets all of the glory of a win and all of the doom for a loss. But at this point he will be a HOF, just not first ballot. BTW, Chris Simms was on point with everything he said. Made a lot more sense than his QB list he made last week. FalconsIn2012, Drunken Minotaur Zebra, TheFatboi and 3 others 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ergo Proxy Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 If he keeps his play at this level for next 5+ years? Yes. Tribal Chief 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconAge Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 Shouldn't this be discussed about Rivers instead of Matt? He's the one about to run out of time.... Dr Long Shot, bossFALCON™, A Pimp Named Slickback™ and 3 others 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ergo Proxy Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 5 minutes ago, FalconAge said: Shouldn't this be discussed about Rivers instead of Matt? He's the one about to run out of time.... Probably the better question. Argument of Ryan vs his peers? Most of them are older or won a SB on the backs of Defense; not their own amazing play 'carrying their team'. Dude should have a ring. History shows that isn't the only factor to getting into the HoF. Arguments end with "if he finishes Top 6 all time in yardage does he get in? Yes." Welp, there you go. Matt gets in at this rate. What's not to understand? shock 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconsIn2012 Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 Pull up the last 10 QB’s inducted into the HOF. Also include Brady, Manning, Brees & Big Ben. Accumulate their stats, metrics. W/L record and playoff performances over their first 10 seasons. Then compare it to Ryan’s first 10 years. The answer becomes self evident JDaveG, Ergo Proxy, ahawkins and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATLSlobberKnockers Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 18 minutes ago, Falconsin2012 said: Pull up the last 10 QB’s inducted into the HOF. Also include Brady, Manning, Brees & Big Ben. Accumulate their stats, metrics. W/L record and playoff performances over their first 10 seasons. Then compare it to Ryan’s first 10 years. The answer becomes self evident Yeah but better players are passed over for more popular ones regularly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PriMeTiiMe Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 If over the next 5 seasons his level of play stays similar to the last 3, He will be a lock. Were talking a 65,000-70,000 yard and 400-450 TD passer. A ring would make it "easier" but he will still make it in one way or another. Ergo Proxy and Drew4719 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconsIn2012 Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 39 minutes ago, FalconAge said: Shouldn't this be discussed about Rivers instead of Matt? He's the one about to run out of time.... Probably... As comparison: Ryan threw for 5,000 more yards than Rivers over their first 11 seasons Ergo Proxy and falconsd56 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THEHEADCOACH Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 (edited) Ryan's still got a lot of years ahead of him. He's not done yet, when he is, this won't be a question. Edited June 24, 2019 by THEHEADCOACH Ergo Proxy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pzummo Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 If his career ended today, no. Based on his career trajectory, it's difficult to see him having a long career and not making it. Even with the comparison to Rivers, he came into the league 4 seasons later and is only 7k yards behind him. He should be ranked 9 or 10 after this season. He's 24k yards behind Brady, but Brady has been in the league for 8 more seasons. He might crack the top 5 in 4 seasons, depending on what some of the other QB's ahead of him do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ergo Proxy Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 4 minutes ago, Falconsin2012 said: Probably... As comparison: Ryan threw for 5,000 more yards than Rivers over their first 11 seasons Does that include the first 2 years of sitting by Rivers? FalconsIn2012 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PriMeTiiMe Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 2 minutes ago, Schwarzwald said: Does that include the first 2 years of sitting by Rivers? Rivers averages 4,192 yards a season not including the first 2 behind Brees. Ryan averages 4,247 yards a season. But those first 2 seasons sitting behind Brees will hurt when it comes time to retire. Had he played those 2 years that could have been an additional 7-9k added to his production. Ergo Proxy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pzummo Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 For the record, Ryan had 2 real shots to win a Super Bowl. The first one, he had a 114.8 passer rating, 9.43 ypa, and 396 yards in a loss against the 49ers. Everybody knows what happened in the Super Bowl. 73.91% completion, 144.1 passer rating, 12.35 ypa, and we lost. Any moron could see where our team let us down in those 2 opportunities. Was he flawless? Of course not, no human being ever is. VTCrunkler, me4falcons, FormerFan-RobertAP and 6 others 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ergo Proxy Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 2 minutes ago, pzummo said: For the record, Ryan had 2 real shots to win a Super Bowl. The first one, he had a 114.8 passer rating, 9.43 ypa, and 396 yards in a loss against the 49ers. Everybody knows what happened in the Super Bowl. 73.91% completion, 144.1 passer rating, 12.35 ypa, and we lost. Any moron could see where our team let us down in those 2 opportunities. Was he flawless? Of course not, no human being ever is. Matt made a couple more egregious mistakes vs the Niners but we would’ve won with a D. SB51 Matt was near perfect, tho. We run the ball more, Free doesn’t whiff, or heck just kneel 3 times and win the SB...then, this isn’t even a discussion. ratesforless and VTCrunkler 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PriMeTiiMe Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 Just now, Schwarzwald said: Matt made a couple more egregious mistakes vs the Niners but we would’ve won with a D. SB51 Matt was near perfect. We run the ball more, Free doesn’t whiff, or heck just kneel 3 times and win the SB...then, this isn’t even a discussion. It's been a while so excuse my memory but what were the egregious mistakes? The INT was 100% on Roddy White. He slipped and fell on his hitch route. The Fumble is the only one off the top of my head and unfortunately for us it took an extremely generous bounce directly into the arms of a 49er player. (Just like the Superbowl fumble) Drew4719, ratesforless and Ergo Proxy 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atlantafan21 Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 His stats should make him a HOF guy. Like they said in the video, he’ll end up at least top 7 in passing yardage and around that as well for TDs. But of course, win a SB and this won’t even be a discussion anymore. Ergo Proxy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ergo Proxy Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 2 minutes ago, PriMeTiiMe said: It's been a while so excuse my memory but what were the egregious mistakes? The INT was 100% on Roddy White. He slipped and fell on his hitch route. The Fumble is the only one off the top of my head and unfortunately for us it took an extremely generous bounce directly into the arms of a 49er player. (Just like the Superbowl fumble) Yes. A botched snap that ruined a drive you had going well. That was a gaffe, especially with the SB appearance on the line. SB51 I don’t even blame him taking the sack. Should’ve never been in that position. Every play after that beautiful pass and catch to Julio should’ve been a run or kneel. Shotgun... ratesforless 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ratesforless Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 I hate playing coulda, woulda, shoulda but had Roddy kept his footing, Devonta had put a hand on Hightower, or Shanahan had simply put it in the deep freeze by running the ball three straight times with less than four minutes left, he not only has a pair of Super Bowl rings on but this thread doesn't exists. Plain and simple... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconsIn2012 Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 28 minutes ago, Schwarzwald said: Does that include the first 2 years of sitting by Rivers? Yes..so it’s closer than I thought. On a per game basis, Ryan is at 271 ypg which is 16 ypg over Rivers. So it totals out to 2,900 Ergo Proxy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconsIn2012 Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 3 minutes ago, ratesforless said: I hate playing coulda, woulda, shoulda but had Roddy kept his footing, Devonta had put a hand on Hightower, or Shanahan had simply put it in the deep freeze by running the ball three straight times with less than four minutes left, he not only has a pair of Super Bowl rings on but this thread doesn't exists. Plain and simple... Douglass kept his footing? Ergo Proxy, JDaveG, A Pimp Named Slickback™ and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PriMeTiiMe Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 2 minutes ago, ratesforless said: I hate playing coulda, woulda, shoulda but had Roddy kept his footing, Devonta had put a hand on Hightower, or Shanahan had simply put it in the deep freeze by running the ball three straight times with less than four minutes left, he not only has a pair of Super Bowl rings on but this thread doesn't exists. Plain and simple... Being a Falcon fan 101. While Joe Flacco won a SB thanks to one of the worst displays of prevent defense I have ever seen Matt Ryan can't catch a break if his life depended on it. I feel bad for the guy. FormerFan-RobertAP, Ergo Proxy, Drew4719 and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vel Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 Considering the HOF is voted on by media personnel and not actual players, I think Matt will have just as hard a time convincing those same media members he's HOF worthy as he is convincing them he's a consistent top five QB in the NFL today. VTCrunkler, Ergo Proxy, A Pimp Named Slickback™ and 4 others 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VTCrunkler Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 Probably not now. He will be after we win the super bowl this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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